Well i think natural selection gave up when we invented medicine and mass murder.lwm3398 said:
Civalisation has to make its own natural selection. Of course it never works.
In the UK boys of 10 and 11 jailed for...
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Civalisation has to make its own natural selection. Of course it never works.
Isn't this like months (maybe even a year) old? I'm sure i heard about this AGES ago on the news.
Part of me does wonder when reading stuff like this...
Is the world so much worse than 10, 50, 100 years ago?
Or is it just the newspapers and TV seem to thoroughly enjoy reporting on these types of crimes with an almost voyeuristic pleasure, knowing that baby killers sell a shitload of papers?
Actually no, I don't think that, but I DO think that it is part of it.
I am in agreement that the minimum age of criminal liability needs to be lowered however as the world has changed, and it's no longer the case that most kids have a mother at home 24/7. (Not saying 'all women should stay in the kitchen and be mothers, before anyone gets mad)
I think these cases need to be looked at carefully, instead of a blanket 'oh he's only 12, he can't possibly know stabbing a kid in the face would hurt' idea covering certain ages. There's something seriously wrong with anyone who hurts other people and either enjoys it or finds it funny.
I know we tend to blame parents for a lot, including buying their kids GTA at the age of 6 of the like ( and no, I'm not linking it, don't panic), but I do think there's got to be some kind of responsibility laid at the parent's door when there's kids of 10 out at midnight, or near me, kids of 10 or so, hanging around outside the liquor store asking people to buy em stuff.
Sure I did some bad things growing up, but I know I didn't get away with much, my friend's parents all had contact with each other and stayed in touch, and kept an eye on each other's kids.
As for the death sentence, I'm against it, but perhaps it could be considered for anyone convicted of top level offences on two separate occasions. Similar to the 'three strikes and out' rule in some parts of America, if someone is done for murder, then once released they go and kill again, then its injection time. They know what they've done, they've been caught, done their time, know its death if they do it again... so they're obviously beyond any form of help. I know there's the chance of killing an innocent man, but the chances are so tiny, of convicting an innocent man twice for two separate murders.
As for sexual offences, maybe chemical castration is a way of dealing with it, I think once you've raped someone, you've given up your right to ever have sex again, and certainly don't need to be procreating, and it's only being being soft that recommends chemical, rather than castration via two bricks brought together sharply.
EDIT : Having read the BBC report, I have to agree with reducing the charges from attempted murder to GBH, if they can pin the same sentence on them, without making the victims have to deal with so much to get a conviction, then it's worth it I think.
Is the world so much worse than 10, 50, 100 years ago?
Or is it just the newspapers and TV seem to thoroughly enjoy reporting on these types of crimes with an almost voyeuristic pleasure, knowing that baby killers sell a shitload of papers?
Actually no, I don't think that, but I DO think that it is part of it.
I am in agreement that the minimum age of criminal liability needs to be lowered however as the world has changed, and it's no longer the case that most kids have a mother at home 24/7. (Not saying 'all women should stay in the kitchen and be mothers, before anyone gets mad)
I think these cases need to be looked at carefully, instead of a blanket 'oh he's only 12, he can't possibly know stabbing a kid in the face would hurt' idea covering certain ages. There's something seriously wrong with anyone who hurts other people and either enjoys it or finds it funny.
I know we tend to blame parents for a lot, including buying their kids GTA at the age of 6 of the like ( and no, I'm not linking it, don't panic), but I do think there's got to be some kind of responsibility laid at the parent's door when there's kids of 10 out at midnight, or near me, kids of 10 or so, hanging around outside the liquor store asking people to buy em stuff.
Sure I did some bad things growing up, but I know I didn't get away with much, my friend's parents all had contact with each other and stayed in touch, and kept an eye on each other's kids.
As for the death sentence, I'm against it, but perhaps it could be considered for anyone convicted of top level offences on two separate occasions. Similar to the 'three strikes and out' rule in some parts of America, if someone is done for murder, then once released they go and kill again, then its injection time. They know what they've done, they've been caught, done their time, know its death if they do it again... so they're obviously beyond any form of help. I know there's the chance of killing an innocent man, but the chances are so tiny, of convicting an innocent man twice for two separate murders.
As for sexual offences, maybe chemical castration is a way of dealing with it, I think once you've raped someone, you've given up your right to ever have sex again, and certainly don't need to be procreating, and it's only being being soft that recommends chemical, rather than castration via two bricks brought together sharply.
EDIT : Having read the BBC report, I have to agree with reducing the charges from attempted murder to GBH, if they can pin the same sentence on them, without making the victims have to deal with so much to get a conviction, then it's worth it I think.
I'd also take issue with the protection of kids theme running thru here.
I think 'kids' needs redefining, if you're capable of extreme violence, torture, rape and murder, well, you don't fit into the 'kids' category any more, whatever age you are.
Most children know right and wrong, cause and effect, actions and punishment by about the age of 4 or 5, a 10 year old dropping a sink on another child's head knows what they're doing.
If you don't act like a kid, you give up the protections that being a child gives you, I think.
I think 'kids' needs redefining, if you're capable of extreme violence, torture, rape and murder, well, you don't fit into the 'kids' category any more, whatever age you are.
Most children know right and wrong, cause and effect, actions and punishment by about the age of 4 or 5, a 10 year old dropping a sink on another child's head knows what they're doing.
If you don't act like a kid, you give up the protections that being a child gives you, I think.
Whose fault is this *looks at bbc website, clicks link on page `Boys` mother fed them cannibis`
Just some quotes from this page. A relative speaks about the upbringing of lifestyle of the children:
`She recalled how the brothers grew up in a chaotic household watching horror movies from a young age.`
`The boys would often be up all night and had even set fire to their own wardrobes in their bedrooms, she said.`
`She said the boys' mother would leave the children, who had been excluded from school, to their own devices.`
`She used to put cannabis in the tea so they could have an early night and she could have a quiet night in.`
Two young children suffered because of two very irresponsible parents...some people should be sterilized...sorry, I do not mean that...but this kind of thing just makes me so angry.
I hope they learn some valuable lessons in jail, one`s that their so called `mother` could not obviously not be bothered to teach.
Just some quotes from this page. A relative speaks about the upbringing of lifestyle of the children:
`She recalled how the brothers grew up in a chaotic household watching horror movies from a young age.`
`The boys would often be up all night and had even set fire to their own wardrobes in their bedrooms, she said.`
`She said the boys' mother would leave the children, who had been excluded from school, to their own devices.`
`She used to put cannabis in the tea so they could have an early night and she could have a quiet night in.`
Two young children suffered because of two very irresponsible parents...some people should be sterilized...sorry, I do not mean that...but this kind of thing just makes me so angry.
I hope they learn some valuable lessons in jail, one`s that their so called `mother` could not obviously not be bothered to teach.
Any link containing info about the kids? What they did only tells us how severe the punishment is; it's the circumstances they did it in that determines the punishment they receive.
Yes, nothing like namecalling to prove you're right.. right?MattW456 said:
I think we passed the eye-for-an-eye age a while ago. But yeah, let's murder children who hurt others. It's a good foundation for a better society. Screw second changes! Screw benefits of doubt. Hell, screw psychologic development! Kill 'em all, it worked in the past, might aswell work now too!
Yeah, you youthful lot and your simple views on 'justice'. "Violence is bad, let's use it to set an exampleto them kids."
You know I find it funny in a bizarre way that people react to hearing something horrible by proclaiming we should do some thing horrible to who ever did it. Maybe these kids where just enacting the reactionary mob justice people are calling for here? Though I find most peoples reactions to this worrying, sort of a drive by interest that just does not sit well with me.
I second thisSenseOfTumour said:
also get rid of the mother, she should not be allowed kids or responsibility.