In utilizing the "revolutionary" MW2, piracy count has skyrocketed...
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Firstly, a corporation is just a method of structuring a business not a philosophy for running one. I said economic interest because it seemed to be a more appropriate name for the idea you were putting forward.bagodix said:
Secondly, of course corporations and companies in general shouldn't do whatever they want which is why they are, as a rule, regulated.
Finally, if it's fair to say that a company wishing to sell it's product is only doing so out of greed then isn't it also fair to say that the distributor reselling that product even greedier? After all they are trying to make money on a product they had no role in creating. Aren't you choosing to support second hand sales because you save money? Doesn't you make that make you greedy?
I understand where you're coming from, it's nice to save money on games but if you're going to buy a second hand game you may as well pirate it instead. It's the same difference to the developer.
They made like 5 million dollars on the first day it came out.
I doubt that they care too much about the piracy.
I doubt that they care too much about the piracy.
I'll just copy/paste what I said in the other pirate MWF2 thread.
Developers need to put through their heads is that you should NEVER remove features that just screw over your paying customers to try to get rid of pirates.... You can NEVER get rid of pirates, you just inconvenience them.
Developers need to put through their heads is that you should NEVER remove features that just screw over your paying customers to try to get rid of pirates.... You can NEVER get rid of pirates, you just inconvenience them.
Eclectic Dreck said:
Yep, no cheating around here I see. Looks like it worked perfectly for IW. Who needs to keep an admin in the loop managing cheaters, we can just leave it up to machines, like all those self driving cars we see all over the place.Bigeyez said:
What's this, I seem to have left my sarcasm switch in the On position...
So they don't have the RIGHT to make a game how they want? They don't have the RIGHT to invest thier time and money to make a product however they want and then market it because you don't approve? And you are calling everyone else retarded with that defense? Did they pistol whip you before putting that gun to your head forcing you to buy a piece of entertainment because that would explain the brain damage you are obviously suffering from.CorpBlitz said:
They have all the right in the world to make the game as they see fit, but in turn we also have the right to be pissed off at them for doing so. Its a two way street.squid5580 said:
I didn't say they didn't. They should be pissed off and not buy it (not buy it doesn't = pirate it though). They should voice their concerns and send Bobby angry letters. Formed a petition. I am sure a few million signatures would have made them think twice.Kstreitenfeld said:
Yea right as far as the suits are concerned not buying and pirating are the same thing because they do not get money either way. They will either whine that no one bought the game on PC, or they will whine that no one bought the game on PC because they are all filthy pirates and have victimized Activision. (In spite of the product smashing all kinds of records.)squid5580 said:
It would be just like when Crytek tried to blame piracy for the not so great sales of Crysis. Anyone with a brain knows that the real problem was that at the time it came out lay people did not really have machines that could run the game decently. But do you think Crytek admitted that they had completely screwed up? Hell no! They just blamed pirates.
That mentality is so wrong on so many levels. First it isn't like they can't get a good idea of how many are pirating it. It may not be completely accurate but a rough number. Second if you pirate it all you are saying to them is your game is good but I am a cheap bastard. By not buying it and using that money to make another game a best seller you are sending the message "I am not happy with your product". Only one of these ways will change things for the better. The other will change things for the worst while they attempt to stop it and punish legit customers in the process. You blame the developers for DRMs. I blame the pirates.shadow skill said:
You're missing the point.Diablini said:
Yes, Spore was a massive rip off. I regret purchasing it. However, that does not justify pirating it. Again, when you pirate something you are not proving a point. Developers don't see pirates as people that we're dissatisfied with their product; they see them as people that are greedy and selfish. When a developer loses profits due to pirates, that does not tell them that they made a bad game. It tells them that they need to get better anti-piracy to prevent that from happening. Instead, you should just not buy or pirate the game. If enough people did that, then it would send a clear message to the game developers.
I can not think of any scenario in which pirating is ever good for developers or gamers.
So what you are saying is that they can't make excuses for poor sales if no one buys the game. Yes that makes sense. The excuses started before the game even came out, piracy has existed on consoles for many years and yet that has not caused legal channels for playing a game without purchasing to simply dry up. In fact with services like Gamefly it has become even easier to do this. I don't hear anyone talking of not being able to rent DS games despite the fact that piracy is rampant. Yet do we have such channels on the PC? Wait what's that no. What is the excuse? Piracy right. So the thing that has affected consoles to varying degrees since their creation magically necessitates the removal of various legitimate channels for experiencing a product....Yes that makes sense.squid5580 said:
What publishers care about is whether or not you buy the game, they do not care whether you like the game at all. Piracy which has always existed is just a whipping boy, it's nonsensical to suggest that it is a real problem when you routinely see the industry post numbers showing growth overall, releases that completely shatter records and so on. Piracy rates do not really explain why the piracy occurs so how could any sane person conclude that pirating a game suggests that the game is good when you consider the distinct lack of avenues to try out the game before purchasing? Or the fact that it is not uncommon to have DRM that prevents legitimate customers from utilizing the product they bought. Nothing in the rates of piracy tells us that the people pirating the game did not already purchase it. It only tells us what the rate of unofficial downloading is.
How many pirates are not simply downloading a copy while they wait for their physical copy to arrive? (Perhaps it is not yet available on Steam or other services like it.) So rather than hurl accusations based on numbers that do not actually tell us anything about consumer motivations we should focus on what we do see: Total lack of ability to rent games to see if and how well they run on a machine, A second hand market that is effectively dead, DRM that not only fails to prevent piracy, it fails to let legitimate customers use the games they purchased, and in some cases damages their computer or is otherwise considered Malware. (Securom.), Record smashing sales, and overall industry growth. (Though because of the economy things have been a bit tough.)
Blaming pirates for DRM is like blaming drug addicts for the war on drugs which ended up creating much of the violent crime associated with the drug trade which did not exist at the beginning of the last century; until people decided that they had to police them in the way that we do now.
You seem to be laboring under the false impression that game companies only wish to make more money so that they can fill a pool with it and go swimming about Scrooge McDuck style. I could continue to explain to you all the reasons you're misrepresenting/misunderstanding the business world, but it's not worth the time it would take since you haven't absorbed a word I've said so far.bagodix said:
Good Day.
To answer your questions,squid5580 said:
1. Yes they do have the right to make what the want, but I have the right to disapprove. Get off my rights bro!
2. Yes, everyone that says "Just don't buy it" is a retard. They will lead our planet into an Idiocracy because of their obviously complacent attitudes towards corporations and government.
3. Not that I'm aware of, but that doesn't remove the fact that squid is a trolling douche. (retaliatory personal insult).
Oh noes a spoiled little brat called me a douche. I am going to go cut myself. Since when does any corporation owe you anything other than the products you paid for? This crying temper tantrum may work on your mommy to get you that chocolate bar at the store but newsflash corporations owe you NOTHING!!CorpBlitz said: