In utilizing the "revolutionary" MW2, piracy count has skyrocketed...

[Eclectic Dreck]

People playing it online illegally tells IW nothing: they see it as an ordinary occurrence of cheap bastards not being willing to shell out the dough for their product.

The fact that they pirate it tells IW that the only thing wrong with their product is that the price is currently too high for some people. If people abstained from the game entirely, THEN IW would see that something was wrong. As is, people pirating the game is only going to persuade IW that they've done the right thing.

I can agree with this. For some people, the price threshold is free. For other's it is probably true that there is SOME price they would pay.

As I said previously, it would be interesting to see an actual study done that would determine net cost of piracy (e.g. the loss of sales or sales at the starting price point because of piracy) but such a thing seems nearly impossible to accomplsh. As it stands, all you have is opposing groups taking a guess at the outcome, and generally speaking I'll side with the person who's potentially losing something in the exchange.

 

[toapat]

All I can say is this: IW you deserved it.

they asked for it when they decided the series was worth making. this will always happen

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

All I can say is this: IW you deserved it.

they asked for it when they decided the series was worth making. this will always happen

The statement that it will happen should never be confused for "it should happen".

 

[SovietSecrets]

I am still happy that I bought it. Get to keep all my stats and stuff without having to restart. I like to support a developer if they make a great game, regardless of whatever else is in it.

 

[squid5580]

All I can say is this: IW you deserved it.

they asked for it when they decided the series was worth making. this will always happen

No they asked for it by making a game pure and simple. Sooner or later people are going to realize that it just isn't worth it and DRMs don't work so they will just stop investing millions into production. And all we will get is crappy games. GOOD JOB ASSHOLES!!!!!

 

[Poomanchu745]

So basically, to anyone who knows how to use a torrent this is a free game. Free Single Player. Free Spec-Ops with friends. Free MULTIPLAYER with people that purchased the games. That's it. A free game. Unless you have integrity and honor. Which if you're a raging PC gamer, you also probably don't.

And you sir are a douche bag. So you think that because I play PC games that i have no honor or integrity? Starting wars with a section of the gaming population is just retarded. You make gross generalizations about people and thus are the worst kind of person...

Not what I meant buddy. I mean if you're a pissed off PC gamer about the MW2 fiasco. Don't worry, I myself am a hardcore PC gamer. I raged about MW2, but now don't give two shits.

Did not mean to offend anyone, I'm talking about the PC gamers who WERE pissed off at this, not all of them

Sorry to take that the wrong way then. Just sounded like you were hating on all PC gamers in general.

 

[cainx10a]

So basically, to anyone who knows how to use a torrent this is a free game. Free Single Player. Free Spec-Ops with friends. Free MULTIPLAYER with people that purchased the games. That's it. A free game. Unless you have integrity and honor. Which if you're a raging PC gamer, you also probably don't.

And you sir are a douche bag. So you think that because I play PC games that i have no honor or integrity? Starting wars with a section of the gaming population is just retarded. You make gross generalizations about people and thus are the worst kind of person...

Not what I meant buddy. I mean if you're a pissed off PC gamer about the MW2 fiasco. Don't worry, I myself am a hardcore PC gamer. I raged about MW2, but now don't give two shits.

Did not mean to offend anyone, I'm talking about the PC gamers who WERE pissed off at this, not all of them

Sorry to take that the wrong way then. Just sounded like you were hating on all PC gamers in general.

For all you know, the boy-cotters bought the game, then downloaded it like 5 times ... just to prove a point.

 

[Korey Von Doom]

They really asked for it. Would they have gone with dedicated servers, there'd still have their reputation among the few people who care and they'd probably have higher sale % for PC and less piracy.

Meh, do not care, realistic FPS games suck.

What part of MW2 do you find remotely realistic?

 

[Poomanchu745]

They really asked for it. Would they have gone with dedicated servers, there'd still have their reputation among the few people who care and they'd probably have higher sale % for PC and less piracy.

Meh, do not care, realistic FPS games suck.

What part of MW2 do you find remotely realistic?

Now that onion video someone linked about MW3 is actually realistic if you are looking for a realistic military game. Campaign = 17,250 hours and you just argue with your buddies over who is hotter: Jessica Biel or Shakira. haha that video had me cracking up.

 

[cainx10a]

They really asked for it. Would they have gone with dedicated servers, there'd still have their reputation among the few people who care and they'd probably have higher sale % for PC and less piracy.

Meh, do not care, realistic FPS games suck.

What part of MW2 do you find remotely realistic?

Don't tell them about ARMA 2, chances are their PCs won't be able to run it anyway.

 

[FURY_007]

It's not justified, but if they simply left the dedicated servers in instead being dicks and forcing IWNET on us, (which has been rampantly hacked)A. then they wouldnt have more piracy than the usual pieces of crap who are too cheap to put there money into their hobby, considering how insanely popular it is
B. this whole controversy would not be here
and C. I would be playing MW2 right now

Piracy is never justified (except for maybe really old stuff that can be considered shareware), but all i have to say is karma is a *****

For the record, I didn't pirate the game, even though i really want to play it, il jsut wait til my roomate gets it for xbox

I'm having trouble seeing how it wasn't justified. Let's run through the process for a moment.

Call of Duty 4 lauches to staggering success on consoles and limited success on the PC.

IW notes a high trend of piracy on PC, which they believe has harmed their bottom line.

Historically, local anti-piracy measures are quickly bypassed. A new tactic is called for.

Since most of the game content is played online, IW settles on using servers under their control across the board. This would allow for post launch updates of the anti-piracy measures.

Internet complains.

I'm having trouble seeing just where in the process IW jumped the rails. They want to be paid for their work and wish to deny people unwilling to pay the ability to access the game. This is generally the process used in most business. For example, I don't get to eat a cheesburger from McDonald's without paying.

It seems strange that once seperated from the actual physical act (say shoplifting) theft beomces much easier to justify. Afterall, there is a virutally zero chance you will be caught and prosecuted for piracy, and since the entire crime can be commited in a few clicks of the mouse many pirates seem to readily disassociate the action piracy from it's meaning (the game is good enough to steal but not good enough to purchase).

well, its doing the wrong thing for the right reasons, but i agree, its as justified as piracy can be, but pirating it is like feeding a troll, now they can spin it around and be like SEE OMG PIRACY!!11!

 

[Crabturtleking]

I agree entirely. PC gamers, having Dedicated Servers isn't some sort of right. If the developers don't want to put it in, that's their choice. If such a decision turns you off that much, voice you're disapproval in a less dickish way: just don't buy the game.

I personally wish more gamers, especially those in the PC community, voiced their protest this way, with the suggestion that those who didn't purchase let the developer know why. Any business will quickly change tactics when consumers don't purchase a product and let the business know why they didn't purchase it. As the saying goes: money talks.

Pirating the game basically gives the developer more excuses to include even worse DRM, less options, or to simply stop supporting the platform (which in my personal opinion, IW/Activision seem to be going this way with the CoD/MW franchises).

Normally, something like this would work. But think of what company we are talking about here. Activision would look at the incredibly low sales, think "Oh, there's no interest on the PC for this series. I guess we'll just discontinue it for that platform". Using your wallet to protest against a Massive corporation is like voting for a independent presidential candidate in the US. Sure you've made a statement, but you and everyone else that voted like you will never be adequately represented.

 

[SantoUno]

Oh well, hopefully they will learn there lesson, I'm not a PC gamer but even I thought removing dedicated servers was a bad move indeed, and now you are seeing the results of it.

 

[Christemo]

IW deserves every bit of it. if they had included dedicated servers, mods and a proper connection (no IWnet), the game would´ve been 10 times better. but no no no, said fancy pants IW, we have to butcher it to perfection by beating it to death with a stick.

 

[tsolless]

It isn't surprising considering how pirated version support dedicated server support.

Developers should expect this sort of thing.

 

[MercurySteam]

a crack that allows anyone who pirated MW2 through Razer or SKIDROW

First off it's RAZOR, and second; pirating has been pulling stunts like this for years, now all I need to do is wait for L4D2.

Although I seriously doubt IW really cares. They are too busy rolling around in piles of money.

Why is it people always say this when they are wronged by a large company?

 

[Brickcups]

a crack that allows anyone who pirated MW2 through Razer or SKIDROW

First off it's RAZOR, and second; pirating has been pulling stunts like this for years, now all I need to do is wait for L4D2.

Although I seriously doubt IW really cares. They are too busy rolling around in piles of money.

Why is it people always say this when they are wronged by a large company?

I'm gonna say that based on the initial sales figures for MW2, people aren't wrong to say it this time.

 

[Booze Zombie]

Infinty Ward got what they deserved there, but it's not like it'll stop them from rolling around in money and thinking we're all idiots.

Regardless of what you think or what platform you're on, dedicated servers are more stable and I say this as someone playing MW2 on the Xbox 360.
The peer-to-peer system is garbage, turning a decent game into a lag fest and a constant stream of "changing host" alerts.
If there were dedicated servers in MW2, I could personally select from a list of games sorted out by country, ping and players in-game, as opposed to me just hoping that I find a good game and that it not be populated with annoying Americans spouting racist crap.

I'm quite seriously pissed off with MW2's lag issues because I actually like playing this game online, so the dedicated servers thing isn't an issue about PC gaming for me, it's an issue of quality online gameplay.

well, its doing the wrong thing for the right reasons, but i agree, its as justified as piracy can be, but pirating it is like feeding a troll, now they can spin it around and be like SEE OMG PIRACY!!11!

So, you're saying they're going to ignore the fact that their "new system" failed more than the old one did (it didn't fail that much)?
Seriously, Infintiy Ward should be so embarresed right now.
Their servers are hacked to shit because of a move they said would eliminate hacking and pirating.

All they've proven is that the old system was actually incredibly stable, because I don't remember shit like this happening with dedicated servers.