Inception

[deathbydeath]

my favorite movie of the year because:
a. it's not a remake, ripoff, or sequel
b. had intrigue and good character development

also, he was in reality at the end, because the to began to spasm. when he spun it in the bathroom, it never did

 

[tricky_tree]

The top didnt fall over, so he's still dreaming

/thread

it's not his totem, the totem has little meaning since it is affected by his perception of reality and what he thinks is the trick. Never once do we really see the top fall and we also never see his real totem

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really hope your not reading this in the hope it's not a spoiler as that would be stupid as fuck.

But OT the spinning top belonged to his wife and through the whole movie you never see it fall over. Also at one part of the movie there's a thing about your totem has to be special to you so the spinning top wouldn't work as it belonged to Cobb's wife.

I think that Cobb's children's faces were his totem because through the whole movie it never shows their face's. The only time you even see the children is during one of Cobb's dreams and before they turn their heads, and be able to see their faces, the dream ends. I think that's because if he saw their faces he wouldn't be dreaming. But at the end of the movie he spins the spinning top on the table of his home. And then when he looks up and see's his children's faces he doesn't care about the spinning top and goes out to his children.

I thought so for a while, but then I remember Cobb saying totem's should be carried with you, the children he sees in Fischer's dreams are just projections, and he doesn't want them there.

 

[tricky_tree]

Spoiler

{I say that it's impossible to tell, since it was Mal's totem, not Cobbs. The film explicitly says that if someone else touches your totem, it ceases to work. As soon as Cobb touched the spinning top, it became irrelevant. Also, in the dream, the old Saito touches the top as well, further proof of it's uselessness.}

It doesn't say totems are not meant to be touched, only that they shouldn't be. If Ariadne had touched Arthur's, she'd have known which side was loaded, and then could have recreated that in a dream. Totem's don't have mystical powers they just have a trick that only you are supposed to know

 

[Woodsey]

I'm convinced he was dreaming.

Unless I'm mistaken, you can't kick yourself out of limbo by killing yourself which is what is implied that they did. In the airport when he's walking out the sequence is quite dream-like, and when he gets home his kids are wearing the exact same clothes and in the exact same position as in his dream.

 

[tricky_tree]

I'm convinced he was dreaming.

Unless I'm mistaken, you can't kick yourself out of limbo by killing yourself which is what is implied that they did. In the airport when he's walking out the sequence is quite dream-like, and when he gets home his kids are wearing the exact same clothes and in the exact same position as in his dream.

Killing themselves is how he and Mal got out in the first place wasn't it?

 

[Ironic Pirate]

The top didnt fall over, so he's still dreaming

/thread

It was wobbling though, as though it was about to fall.

And don't thread yourself.

 

[Woodsey]

I'm convinced he was dreaming.

Unless I'm mistaken, you can't kick yourself out of limbo by killing yourself which is what is implied that they did. In the airport when he's walking out the sequence is quite dream-like, and when he gets home his kids are wearing the exact same clothes and in the exact same position as in his dream.

Killing themselves is how he and Mal got out in the first place wasn't it?

No, I'm pretty sure they just had to wait it out. Remember that they grew old there, and then when they woke up she thought the dream was real.

I can't quite remember to be honest, but why worry about dying in such a deep sleep if you just get sent to limbo where you can wake up normally?

Even if that kick did work though, I still think the rest of the evidence for him dreaming outweighs the evidence for him not dreaming.

 

[tricky_tree]

I'm convinced he was dreaming.

Unless I'm mistaken, you can't kick yourself out of limbo by killing yourself which is what is implied that they did. In the airport when he's walking out the sequence is quite dream-like, and when he gets home his kids are wearing the exact same clothes and in the exact same position as in his dream.

Killing themselves is how he and Mal got out in the first place wasn't it?

No, I'm pretty sure they just had to wait it out. Remember that they grew old there, and then when they woke up she thought the dream was real.

I can't quite remember to be honest, but why worry about dying in such a deep sleep if you just get sent to limbo where you can wake up normally?

Even if that kick did work though, I still think the rest of the evidence for him dreaming outweighs the evidence for him not dreaming.

I'm pretty sure lying on a train track, and then being run over by a train would kill you, but I'm no doctor.
They were down there for what seemed like 50 years, grew old in the dream then when Cobb planted the idea in Mal's mind, they killed themselves to wake up. Or go to a higher level atleast.

 

[Woodsey]

I'm convinced he was dreaming.

Unless I'm mistaken, you can't kick yourself out of limbo by killing yourself which is what is implied that they did. In the airport when he's walking out the sequence is quite dream-like, and when he gets home his kids are wearing the exact same clothes and in the exact same position as in his dream.

Killing themselves is how he and Mal got out in the first place wasn't it?

No, I'm pretty sure they just had to wait it out. Remember that they grew old there, and then when they woke up she thought the dream was real.

I can't quite remember to be honest, but why worry about dying in such a deep sleep if you just get sent to limbo where you can wake up normally?

Even if that kick did work though, I still think the rest of the evidence for him dreaming outweighs the evidence for him not dreaming.

I'm pretty sure lying on a train track, and then being run over by a train would kill you, but I'm no doctor.
They were down there for what seemed like 50 years, grew old in the dream then when Cobb planted the idea in Mal's mind, they killed themselves to wake up. Or go to a higher level atleast.

Why would they wait 50 years (not the real time-frame, but what it felt like to them) before they kill themselves to escape limbo then?

Mal knew it wasn't reality at the start didn't she, so why not just escape? And it still makes no sense that dying in a heavily-sedated dream would take you to limbo, if you can just escape limbo in the same way you would a normal dream anyway.

I thought the whole point of Cobb's first inception was to ease Mal into limbo since he knew how long they'd have to wait, and so that she wouldn't go insane.

Bah, it's too long after-the-fact for me to remember it properly.

 

[tricky_tree]

Why would they wait 50 years (not the real time-frame, but what it felt like to them) before they kill themselves to escape limbo then?

Mal knew it wasn't reality at the start didn't she, so why not just escape? And it still makes no sense that dying in a heavily-sedated dream would take you to limbo, if you can just escape limbo in the same way you would a normal dream anyway.

I thought the whole point of Cobb's first inception was to ease Mal into limbo since he knew how long they'd have to wait, and so that she wouldn't go insane.

Bah, it's too long after-the-fact for me to remember it properly.

No Mal chose to forget. It's not fully explained, but after a while Cobb wanted/realised he had to get back, and so planted the idea that they were in limbo. Doing that to ease her into it would make no sense, since she would remember it is not real, and then try to get back.
Limbo is not explained at all, it is a mystery. I believe it is a sort of paralell dream. Getting out is not the problem, the problem is wanting to get out.

 

[whattheblub]

There are many hints which could point to everything being a dream. The totem point doesn't apply because it is not his totem. Why are his children in the exact same position, wearing exactly the same clothes? Why couldn't he just turn sideways when he was running inbetween the walls which became narrower? How did his wife manage to get to the opposite house when he looks out of the window of the destroyed hotel room? Is the reasons he's the only character with depth due to everyone else being constructs. Either he's still dreaming or there is a lot of bad/misleading writing to make the movie more complicated than it is.
Personally I still choose to believe that he woke up and everything is fine, just to be on the optimistic side.

 

[Et3rnalLegend64]

The top didnt fall over, so he's still dreaming

/thread

it's not his totem, the totem has little meaning since it is affected by his perception of reality and what he thinks is the trick. Never once do we really see the top fall and we also never see his real totem

Untrue. You know the part where they say never to let anyone else touch your totem? The original owner is dead and by all means the top is officially his totem. They say never to let anyone touch it because they then know what it's supposed to behave like. He's the only one alive who knows what it's supposed to do in the real world or a dream world.

 

[tricky_tree]

There are many hints which could point to everything being a dream. The totem point doesn't apply because it is not his totem. Why are his children in the exact same position, wearing exactly the same clothes? Why couldn't he just turn sideways when he was running inbetween the walls which became narrower? How did his wife manage to get to the opposite house when he looks out of the window of the destroyed hotel room? Is the reasons he's the only character with depth due to everyone else being constructs. Either he's still dreaming or there is a lot of bad/misleading writing to make the movie more complicated than it is.

The childrena are not in the same clothes, there are subtle differences but I am certain the girl is in a different dress. Perhaps the hotel suite was large, and the window opposite belonged to the same suite, they are not opposite buildings, the hotel has an indentation in the wall.

 

[tricky_tree]

The top didnt fall over, so he's still dreaming

/thread

it's not his totem, the totem has little meaning since it is affected by his perception of reality and what he thinks is the trick. Never once do we really see the top fall and we also never see his real totem

Untrue. You know the part where they say never to let anyone else touch your totem? The original owner is dead and by all means the top is officially his totem. They say never to let anyone touch it because they then know what it's supposed to behave like. He's the only one alive who knows what it's supposed to do in the real world or a dream world.

He thinks he knows the trick, bit what if he was wrong about it, if he is dreaming, and thought of the wrong trick, the point is irrelevant.

 

[Flack]

I realise this has probably been done before, but my drunken state cannot work the search function effectively.
Finally saw it today, and heard that he was still dreaming at the end. But when I got to the end, I honestly could not decide if he was or not. I don't believe that we can decide, with a foolproof argument, whether he is dreaming, awake, or dreamt the whole course of the film. Needless to say it is one of the finest cinematic works ever produced.
Your opinions please.

If you wait till after the credits you hear the top fall over

 

[Et3rnalLegend64]

The top didnt fall over, so he's still dreaming

/thread

it's not his totem, the totem has little meaning since it is affected by his perception of reality and what he thinks is the trick. Never once do we really see the top fall and we also never see his real totem

Untrue. You know the part where they say never to let anyone else touch your totem? The original owner is dead and by all means the top is officially his totem. They say never to let anyone touch it because they then know what it's supposed to behave like. He's the only one alive who knows what it's supposed to do in the real world or a dream world.

He thinks he knows the trick, bit what if he was wrong about it, if he is dreaming, and thought of the wrong trick, the point is irrelevant.

Then that would be a different reason entirely and I wouldn't have an argument against it. I just don't agree when people say that it doesn't work because it was Mal's totem.

If he was right about the trick, then it works because he knows how and not because he was the original owner. People don't touch it because they know how to replicate it in a dream. If he was wrong about the trick, then the top is irrelevant every time it's brought out and not because it was Mal's totem first.

 

[tricky_tree]

I realise this has probably been done before, but my drunken state cannot work the search function effectively.
Finally saw it today, and heard that he was still dreaming at the end. But when I got to the end, I honestly could not decide if he was or not. I don't believe that we can decide, with a foolproof argument, whether he is dreaming, awake, or dreamt the whole course of the film. Needless to say it is one of the finest cinematic works ever produced.
Your opinions please.

If you wait till after the credits you hear the top fall over

hear it fall over or fall off the table? It fell off the counter in Mombassa, but you never SAW it stop

 

[tricky_tree]

Then that would be a different reason entirely and I wouldn't have an argument against it. I just don't agree when people say that it doesn't work because it was Mal's totem.

If he was right about the trick, then it works because he knows how and not because he was the original owner. People don't touch it because they know how to replicate it in a dream. If he was wrong about the trick, then the top is irrelevant every time it's brought out and not because it was Mal's totem first.

I agree with that, I normally mention how it's Mal's totem and assume people will understand my thinking behind it, just being lazy.

 

[PureChaos]

loved it. wasn't as confusing as i thought it would be but great stuff