Intolerance and Judgemental thinking - SO FUCKING ANNOYING

[Elle-Jai]

Heard of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (aka Mormons) who self-identify as Christians?

Gasp! They identify as Christians?

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle, I'll identify myself as one and that will make it so. Moreover, I'll tell everyone that all monkey's uncles are exactly like me, because I think I am one!

I say "self-identify" due to the fact that I was a baptized member, and as someone previously raised Catholic, their suspicious obsession with the Book of Mormon (that read an awful lot like Joseph Smith was high, since he kept losing track of what he was saying, and disappearing into endings like "And we shall all frolic in the meadows of Your love, and forever and ever Amen. Ever." (Not a direct quote, obviously). They had a copy of the Bible, but in three years I was only asked to pick it up once. They're also convinced Jesus is white (since Jesus is a Jew by birth, born to a mother who, being desert born and raised in a society that was patently NOT WHITE, this is highly unlikely), and that Eden is in the U.S. (if it's anywhere it's in Africa, since genetically we're all traceable to a common mother in Africa, not the U.S. of A.) etc etc.

Since to me to be identified as Christian you need to actually believe in and teach Jesus in more than just your Church's name, I use "self" as a way to remove my approbation from the statement, without actually aiming to offend anyone.

However this monkey's uncle cult sounds fun. Where do I sign up?

 

[Autofaux]

Everyone wants to play Solomon. That's the bottom line.

 

[Sacman]

-snip-

Dude. Be fair. You told us you were fucking your cousin... I mean come on. Fucking your cousin... You did not expect us to even give you some good natured ribbing?
I mean I see absolutely nothing wrong with incest at all. I find it ridiculous that homosexuality is somehow okay yet incest is wrong since both involve consenting adults, do not hurt anyone and most importantly they both have nothing to do with anyone else in any way, shape or form. Yet one is socially acceptable while the other repugnant.
But still. You had to see the mocking coming from a mile off.

I never said I was fucking my cousin we had only been dating for a less than a week when I posted that... besides... okay well I guess I could have seen the backlash coming from a mile away but I figured, "This is the internet there are way worse things than incest on here..." so at the very least most of you guys would be accepting of the fact... and most were thankfully...

 

[zen5887]

I bet there are pentagrams all over his math book.

Minor issue old chap, but pentagrams (5-pointed stars) are Pagan. Baphomets (upside-down 5-pointed stars with a goat face) are Satanic. I could just tell you'd grateful to know the difference

And I'm sure the 14 year old metal heads are grateful as well.

 

[Miumaru]

-snip-

Dude. Be fair. You told us you were fucking your cousin... I mean come on. Fucking your cousin... You did not expect us to even give you some good natured ribbing?
I mean I see absolutely nothing wrong with incest at all. I find it ridiculous that homosexuality is somehow okay yet incest is wrong since both involve consenting adults, do not hurt anyone and most importantly they both have nothing to do with anyone else in any way, shape or form. Yet one is socially acceptable while the other repugnant.
But still. You had to see the mocking coming from a mile off.

Yes. Everyone is just fine with gay sex. Totally.

Im not disagreeing with your overrall point (or stating any agreement either) just pointing out flawed perception.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Dude. Be fair. You told us you were fucking your cousin... I mean come on. Fucking your cousin... You did not expect us to even give you some good natured ribbing?
I mean I see absolutely nothing wrong with incest at all. I find it ridiculous that homosexuality is somehow okay yet incest is wrong since both involve consenting adults, do not hurt anyone and most importantly they both have nothing to do with anyone else in any way, shape or form. Yet one is socially acceptable while the other repugnant.
But still. You had to see the mocking coming from a mile off.

Incest isn't wrong?

Dammit, all those years wasted.

 

[Elle-Jai]

I know I got spammed for a week when...

Spoiler

[color= white]I told everyone I was dating my cousin...[/color]

which I still am...

Maybe it's just me, but isn't this WAY off topic?! What on earth convinced you to post here lol? What has dating your cousin got to do with Satanism?? /curiousity

 

[SonicWaffle]

However satanism also practices natural magicks (fuck I hate spelling it with a "k") for the sake of influencing others and the like, not to mention a loosely karmic related universal judgement system.

So do a lot of other religions, Christianity included - many people use prayer as a way of lodging requests rather than communing with their deity. Begging a spiritual force to alter the minds of others or the world itself in order to get what you want sounds a lot like magic to me.

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle, I'll identify myself as one and that will make it so. Moreover, I'll tell everyone that all monkey's uncles are exactly like me, because I think I am one!

They believe in Christ. That makes them Christians. They just follow their own, seriously weird, interpretation. As far as I know, the definition of Christian is "someone who believes Jesus was the Messiah and saviour", which can apply even to those who aren't part of an organized religion.

I mean I see absolutely nothing wrong with incest at all. I find it ridiculous that homosexuality is somehow okay yet incest is wrong since both involve consenting adults, do not hurt anyone and most importantly they both have nothing to do with anyone else in any way, shape or form. Yet one is socially acceptable while the other repugnant.

Well, one leads to freak babies, the other doesn't. An important distinction, I feel.

 

[Baron_BJ]

Hmm, Elle-Jai, you've brought up some interesting points regarding satanism and I'll admit I researched Satanism (I enjoy researching the occult and the like, stumbling upon the "religion" by accident) some time ago (I read into it deeply though) and it was primarily sites like wikipedia, so my sources are admittedly poorer than some others. I'll admit though, the major turn off for me was the money they suggested (now clarified/reminded by yourself). I've no compulstion to research the subject again.

On to the off-topic subject relating to incest, the "freak-children" that is commonly referred to is a bad arguement as even in a direct incestial relationship between say brother and sister, the chances of an abnormality being caused because of their blood relation is only 1 in 32,000 and that decreases by more than double the more distant the persons blood relation is (eg. cousins would be well over 1 in 256,000 I don't feel like doing the math or double checking at the moment). Sorry for poor sentence structure in that last statement, I had issues with it from the start. Incest at the moment is more of a global taboo than an actual issue.

 

[Dark Knifer]

Hey, if you want to get worked up about intollerant people, look up westboro babtist church. Sure fire way to get yourself angry at ignorance.

[link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church[/link]

 

[Elle-Jai]

I bet there are pentagrams all over his math book.

Minor issue old chap, but pentagrams (5-pointed stars) are Pagan. Baphomets (upside-down 5-pointed stars with a goat face) are Satanic. I could just tell you'd grateful to know the difference

And I'm sure the 14 year old metal heads are grateful as well.

Heh. I meant to add a "be" into the appropriate place there... Nvm. And who are these "14 year old metal heads" you refer to so vaguely?

 

[Elle-Jai]

Hmm, Elle-Jai, you've brought up some interesting points regarding satanism and I'll admit I researched Satanism (I enjoy researching the occult and the like, stumbling upon the "religion" by accident) some time ago (I read into it deeply though) and it was primarily sites like wikipedia, so my sources are admittedly poorer than some others. I'll admit though, the major turn off for me was the money they suggested (now clarified/reminded by yourself). I've no compulstion to research the subject again.

On to the off-topic subject relating to incest, the "freak-children" that is commonly referred to is a bad arguement as even in a direct incestial relationship between say brother and sister, the chances of an abnormality being caused because of their blood relation is only 1 in 32,000 and that decreases by more than double the more distant the persons blood relation is (eg. cousins would be well over 1 in 256,000 I don't feel like doing the math or double checking at the moment). Sorry for poor sentence structure in that last statement, I had issues with it from the start. Incest at the moment is more of a global taboo than an actual issue.

I came across it when I was researching Magick at around 13 years old. I am fascinated by religion, and I enjoy studying them, but do not identify as anything other than "spiritual" at this point. I do however respect all religions, even those I fundamentally disagree with, as I believe that one should be free to align themselves with any group or belief system that grants you strength, hope, and a sense of purpose.

To head off this point being made later, yes, I do include "terrorist" cells in this freedom. I do not agree with their actions, but I see nothing wrong with the sentiment (as clarified last year) behind said actions.

To be completely clear: I strongly disapprove of blowing up, shooting, stabbing, or otherwise injuring/killing another living being simply because you disagree with them.

 

[Elle-Jai]

Yes, one can lead to freak babies after several generations. The other can lead to absolute freaks within a single generation.
Want proof? Google Chris Crocker.

Crocker is - how to put this - a nutcase. Not because he belongs to a particular community, but because sadly in his viral video he appears to be several sandwiches short of a picnic.

NOW, can we get OFF cousin dating?! I was there for the original two threads, it's been said, done, argued over, and IT DOES NOT REQUIRE REHASHING.

I say this with much love. So for the love of me, a higher power, or whomever, let's all just move along, shall we?

 

[brunothepig]

I bet there are pentagrams all over his math book.

Minor issue old chap, but pentagrams (5-pointed stars) are Pagan. Baphomets (upside-down 5-pointed stars with a goat face) are Satanic. I could just tell you'd grateful to know the difference

And I'm sure the 14 year old metal heads are grateful as well.

I'm 17. And I knew this, baphomets are used a lot by Venom, got a flag on my door.
Buuut, that's not my point. Are you assuming all teenage metalheads just do it for attention? Go around identifying as a satanist to shock people, and be all cool and shit. Yeah know. While I have researched satanism a little, for the same reason as Elle-Jai (cause it's interesting, and I do agree with pretty much everything it says, except the "magick" stuff [though I didn't find out some of the stuff Elle-Jai's said]) I certainly don't think of myself as satanist. I do find myself arguing for satanism though, against the stereotype of the misanthropic hateful prat wating for the apocalypse.
Also, I listen to Metal because I love it. It really did change my life. Changed my personality, got friends now etc.
But I don't really care if someone doesn't listen to Metal, although it's always cool to meet another metalhead.
If that isn't at all what you were implying, maybe someone who does think this will see it. And I apologise to you.

 

[SinisterGehe]

This is why instead of calling my life philosophy Satanism I call it with its another name, Laveyism (in Finnish language)...

Satanism is not religion, it is a philosophy, like mr. Lavey himself said you can believe in god and still be satanist. It is just a name, call it whatever you want, long as you follow the IDEA of Satanism, you are a Satanist or Laveyist or PinkHornUnicornist or whatever you call it.