Intolerance and Judgemental thinking - SO FUCKING ANNOYING

[thevillageidiot13]

Just so you know. Satanism isn't a real religion.

I would like to know what makes Satanism less of a religion than other "real" religions.

Oh I don't know. Perhaps the fact that it's name is nothing more than melodramatic shock fodder and has little to nothing to do with it's preachings.

Maybe it's because it's existence is just piggy backing of another religion?

There is also the fact that it is really nothing more than philosophical musing about selfishness and has no inherent worth beyond. look at me. I'm edgy. Now watch as I go have sex on a Christians lawn!!!!! (HYPERBOLE. Just to clarify)

And a lot more shit I can't be arsed repeating.

Really buddy. You're about 5 pages late to the conversation. I've been discussing this for a while now. READ THE THREAD.

Again, look at my above post. Teen-angst variations of Satanism are, I agree, pathetic. But actual Satanism is very well-thought-out.

 

[thevillageidiot13]

It depends what satanism you're buying into.

The translation for all forms of satanism is

"I'm an angsty mofoin teenager and I'm pretending to be a part of this absurd religion to shock you. Because I'm so edgy and different."

How much of a tool that makes you depends entierly on the particular brand you think is coolest.

Just so you know. Satanism isn't a real religion. If you're talking about the tripe Anton LaVey laid out in his 'satanic bible'. It's little more than postured musings on individuality.

It doesn't surprise me that your mother would judge it based on it's name. Because if you're going to call it something like that. You're obviously looking for some kind of reaction from the people you tell.

If you actually want to live by 'the creeds' of individuality and indulgence. Here's a novel idea. Why not just be yourself.

Calling yourself a satanist is just a cheap way of getting a rise out of people.

So well put. Bravo chap, Bravo.

Yes, angsty teens are rarely actual Satanists. But look at my post that's a little bit above yours discussing the thought behind Satanism, and you'll see that REAL Satanism actually has some pretty well-thought-out ideas.

Don't need to, any form of religion is outdated an pointless regardless of how well thought out it is. It's still unnecessary and pointless. If it's so good why not just live your life with that in mind rather than paying any form of homage to made up things?

If you're not going to read, don't judge what I have to say. My post was about how true Satanism is about the importance of free will and the power we are given when we're given choices. On a deeper level, it's about how we're free to make choices, and that's an awesome part of life, but that each side of the choice has consequences.

 

[thevillageidiot13]

It depends what satanism you're buying into.

The translation for all forms of satanism is

"I'm an angsty mofoin teenager and I'm pretending to be a part of this absurd religion to shock you. Because I'm so edgy and different."

How much of a tool that makes you depends entierly on the particular brand you think is coolest.

Just so you know. Satanism isn't a real religion. If you're talking about the tripe Anton LaVey laid out in his 'satanic bible'. It's little more than postured musings on individuality.

It doesn't surprise me that your mother would judge it based on it's name. Because if you're going to call it something like that. You're obviously looking for some kind of reaction from the people you tell.

If you actually want to live by 'the creeds' of individuality and indulgence. Here's a novel idea. Why not just be yourself.

Calling yourself a satanist is just a cheap way of getting a rise out of people.

So well put. Bravo chap, Bravo.

Yes, angsty teens are rarely actual Satanists. But look at my post that's a little bit above yours discussing the thought behind Satanism, and you'll see that REAL Satanism actually has some pretty well-thought-out ideas.

Don't need to, any form of religion is outdated an pointless regardless of how well thought out it is. It's still unnecessary and pointless. If it's so good why not just live your life with that in mind rather than paying any form of homage to made up things?

If you're not going to read, don't judge what I have to say. My post was about how true Satanism is about the importance of free will and the power we are given when we're given choices. On a deeper level, it's about how we're free to make choices, and that's an awesome part of life, but that each side of the choice has consequences.

consequences? All choices have consequences? Are you referring to some form of after life consequences? If you are don't waste your time with me brother.

SERIOUSLY. Read my damn post about the thought behind Satanism. You'll see that I'm not really trying to convert you at all, but rather, there's a valuable life lesson behind the meaning of Satan in Christian stories.

 

[thevillageidiot13]

Just so you know. Satanism isn't a real religion.

I would like to know what makes Satanism less of a religion than other "real" religions.

Oh I don't know. Perhaps the fact that it's name is nothing more than melodramatic shock fodder and has little to nothing to do with it's preachings.

Maybe it's because it's existence is just piggy backing of another religion?

There is also the fact that it is really nothing more than philosophical musing about selfishness and has no inherent worth beyond. look at me. I'm edgy. Now watch as I go have sex on a Christians lawn!!!!! (HYPERBOLE. Just to clarify)

And a lot more shit I can't be arsed repeating.

Really buddy. You're about 5 pages late to the conversation. I've been discussing this for a while now. READ THE THREAD.

Again, look at my above post. Teen-angst variations of Satanism are, I agree, pathetic. But actual Satanism is very well-thought-out.

What do you mean 'again' This is your first post to me. And I don't need to. I've read the satanic Bible. It's just a bullshit philosophy about how to live your life. Really all I got from LeVey was sarcastic common sense.

I don't need to read a book to live by my own ideals. And I certainly don't need to label myself a Satanist to do it.

I'll put it to you to go away and read some Nietzsche. LeVey basically just ripped his ideas and writings off and put a big neon SATAN! sign on it to attract the idiot crowd.

No thank you.

I've read Nietzche, and am familiar with his thinking. And the thinking behind Satanism goes way further back than LeVey, my friend. Look up The Manachean Heresy.

 

[DarkDain]

I'm starting to dislike people who proclaim themselves to be 'open minded', im sort of sensing a pattern in that almost anything can be justified, nothing is wrong, and no matter what they like, your just not 'open minded' enough to like it too, and its usually something sick and depraved anyways, they dont want to be judged because they might feel bad, god forbid anyone feeling bad about something lol.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

Everyone does it, even you.

By the way... the 9 Satanic Statements:

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates.
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development", has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years.

True, it has nothing to do with 'Satan, the Defiler,' and is more of 'Satan, Fuck You,' I can still see how a mother might not like the concept. Also, if metal music turned you to this, you are one hell of a tool.

To elaborate on #9 (and assuming this post wasn't sarcasm, I'm bad at detecting it), I believe the thinking behind Satan Worship is that, without Satan, God would be an oppressor. Think about it. If God's way was the ONLY way made available to you, he would basically be the evil dictator who ruled over you with an iron fist. However, because Satan exists, we are given a point of comparison. More importantly, we are given an alternate choice to God, which makes it all the more significant when we choose God over Satan.

To paraphrase the main idea behind A Clockwork Orange, performing good deeds doesn't mean anything if you are not capable of doing bad deeds. The *decision* to do the right thing, as opposed to the wrong thing, is as important as the act of performing the deed itself.

In that post, I was being a bit sarcastic. I was not trying to infer that Satanist (The particular brand that follow that book, anyway, as there are those who worship Satan, but I don't think we're talking about those right now) actually believe in Satan, only that they seem to invoke (Or perhaps created) the image of Satan as kind of a self centered prick, rather than the destroyer of all things Holy (Which he is neither, really, unless you believe some crazy Popes).

To those who pointed out that some Churches do have mandatory tithes, I stand corrected I suppose, and ask that you tell me WHAT Churches require such a thing, as I know for a fact that Lutherans (My particular Jesus Loving Branch) do not, and most Baptist do not as well (If the people I asked can be trusted).

Also, to you, Dear VillageIdiot (The user name), I noticed you were talking about the difference between doing the right thing for the right reason (Because its right), and doing the right thing for the wrong reason (Fear of Prosecution, possibly from an omnipotent lightning casting person/s). This is something I've found, in my experience, most people don;t understand, which is why I suggest to many people they read 'The Screwtape Letters.' Even if you don't buy into the whole 'God' thing, its still and interesting read, and probably offers roughly the exact opposite view point as the book we've been discussing.

I'm starting to dislike people who proclaim themselves to be 'open minded', im sort of sensing a pattern in that almost anything can be justified, nothing is wrong, and no matter what they like, your just not 'open minded' enough to like it too, and its usually something sick and depraved anyways, they dont want to be judged because they might feel bad, god forbid anyone feeling bad about something lol.

I always thought being completely open minded was a bit naive. Sure, you should be open to suggestion, and certainly open to at least UNDERSTANDING differing opinions without necessarily believing them, but everyone has o draw a line in the sand somewhere and say 'Fuck that, the door is closed.'

Or maybe I read too much Warhammer 40k.

 

[johnsom]

seems cruel to speak to your ma about such things.

 

[thevillageidiot13]

All right. I'll ask you to actually look at what I have to say before telling me it's worthless bullshit next time, though. I don't mind having intelligent conversation with somebody with differing opinions than me, I just like it when they at least hear me out before shooting me down.

It's not necessarily about God and the Devil. I, myself, don't really Christian writings literally. But there *are* valuable lessons to be learned from them. In that sense, religious scriptures are like fables (i.e. the tortoise that outran the rabbit). Should you take them literally? You don't need to. Should you at least think about the meaning behind the story? I think so.

The non-literal interpretation of this Satanist philosophy emphasizes the importance of freedom in society.

For example: If a husband beats her wife and tells her he'll kill her if she ever leaves him, does it mean anything if the wife doesn't leave him? No. If she stays with him, does it mean she loves him? No. If she's staying with him, it's probably because she's terrified out of her mind, and not because she actually loves him anymore.

Another example, one that has slightly more real-World applications: Let's say we have a mob boss/gangster. He's oppressive, threatens his people with violence. He demands unreasonably ridiculous amounts of protection money. He sells drugs to kids. Now, will the people follow him? Yes, but only because they don't have a choice.

Now, let's say another mob boss comes into the neighborhood. He's closer to Robert DeNiro's character from The Godfather II movie, if you're familiar with it. Is his operation legit? Yes. But whenever somebody's in economic trouble, he takes it easy on them. Whenever somebody is bullying somebody else in the neighborhood, he steps in and works to find a compromise for both of them. He's fair and almost never resorts to violence. He doesn't support drug dealers who sell to children.

Now if these who bosses go to war, who will have more support? The second one, obviously. So who will win the gang war? The second one. If the civilians have to choose who to support as the local mobster, they'll choose the second, because they know that if he wins, they will have much better lives than before.

In short, if you're fair to people (friends, parents, family, people who work for you, etc.), then you will be loved by everybody around you. If you're a dick and you do everything you can do hurt somebody else, then the instant somebody else comes along, they'll bolt and you'll be left alone and everybody will know not to trust you or give you any sort of power over them.

 

[Bruin]

It pisses me off to no end when someone of a different point of view is ignorant and judgmental towards you. Honestly, there's nothing worse than the frustration that comes from this.

For example, my mother somehow can't understand no matter how many times I tell her that Satanism has nothing to do with Devil Worship, or even the Christian idea of Satan. She constantly criticizes me for listening to metal, she's even tried to claim that it's not music - just because it's not "relaxing" or "happy" sounding like her fucking Gospel shit that she insists on playing 24/7 because it gives the house a 'Spiritual protection'.

Honestly, I can't stand people who judge something as negative/bad because: A. They're not used to it, or B. Because they don't like it.

We all have a right to do what we'd like.

That doesn't mean somebody else can't think differently about you and your ideas. They may not think they're so bloody wonderful, especially when you're doing the exact opposite of what they find "good".

What you're angry about is people not admitting your ideas are right and their own are wrong. Your beliefs are (almost deliberately so) polar opposites to your mother's, it seems, so it seems like you put your foot into the bear trap on that one.

I tolerate other peoples' opinions. I'm not going to attack them for their opinions nor will I disrespect them. But I don't have to put a smile on my face and say I agree with them. And if they ask me why, I'll tell them.

 

[Oh That Dude]

Man this thread makes me sad. People missing the point, people raging, a couple of reasonable people being drowned out it in the noise of those who haven't bothered with reading for context or even just reading at all.

 

[thevillageidiot13]

Man this thread makes me sad. People missing the point, people raging, a couple of reasonable people being drowned out it in the noise of those who haven't bothered with reading for context or even just reading at all.

I hope I'm in the "reasonable people" category here.

 

[Elle-Jai]

I'll put it to you to go away and read some Nietzsche. LeVey basically just ripped his ideas and writings off and put a big neon SATAN! sign on it to attract the idiot crowd.

Everyone, by this point, is building off everyone else's ideas. Computers were invented by Alan Turing long before anyone had an actual computer. The wheel is still being refined long after the first hairy person figured out how well it worked. And so on.

consequences? All choices have consequences? Are you referring to some form of after life consequences? If you are don't waste your time with me brother.

Haven't you heard of cause and effect? How about real-time consequences, such as "act like a dick" and "get punched in the face" or better "tell your christian mom you're a satanist" and "have her freak out". There's a case to be made that while we "created" the Gods, they do actually exist as an outpost of collective consciousness willed into existence, and the whole point of God is that while we can't effectively prove the existence of one, we also can't effectively DISprove the existence of one, leading on to the whole "free will" debate.

I'm cool if you don't believe in a higher power, but I CHOOSE to, and I expect to be permitted my choice without aggression and ridicule just as I refrain from calling you rude names merely because your philosophy differs from mine.

 

[Dogstile]

Just so you know. Satanism isn't a real religion.

I would like to know what makes Satanism less of a religion than other "real" religions.

Oh I don't know. Perhaps the fact that it's name is nothing more than melodramatic shock fodder and has little to nothing to do with it's preachings.

Maybe it's because it's existence is just piggy backing of another religion?

There is also the fact that it is really nothing more than philosophical musing about selfishness and has no inherent worth beyond. look at me. I'm edgy. Now watch as I go have sex on a Christians lawn!!!!! (HYPERBOLE. Just to clarify)

And a lot more shit I can't be arsed repeating.

Really buddy. You're about 5 pages late to the conversation. I've been discussing this for a while now. READ THE THREAD.

I only had time for the first page mate. Not all of us have a huge amount of time to read an entire thread.

But seriously, you've obviously not looked deeper into the religion. Sure its piggy backed off christianity, but why shouldn't they be considered a real religion just because they're batting for the other side of christianity?

 

[Elle-Jai]

"All choices have consequences?"

I said that in my original post. What are you talking about?

In short: Who the hell cares about the afterlife. Consequences of free will and religious choice apply in the here and now.
Followed by: Why did you leap straight to "afterlife" when you're so dismissive of the idea? Perhaps a rethink of the filters through which you are seeing these posts might be in order :/