INVASION!!!!!! What country do you trust to help?

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LANCE420

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Like I said earlier, were all under NATO, it's unlikely WWIII will pop off anytime soon.

We are all allies, For now.....

EDIT: Russia has been acting oddly lately(The giving out of nuclear materials, invasion of Georgia, etc, etc...). The USA and the EU should not consider them an ally and should be wary.
 

SimuLord

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If the US is invaded and we can't handle things ourselves, it's hard to imagine any country on Earth helping us in any meaningful way.

If the big bad Chinese are here...or the Russians...who's gonna help us, Canada?
 

BigKaine

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I'm an American, I think that the Brits would most likely be the first to help us. I'd want some Aussies in the trench with me however.
 

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Seriphina said:
I still say it's cheating... :p
And i wouldnt class uk as a country, rather a nation but i see wiki also calls it a country! RAGE!! Hate being lobbed in with England.
No the UK is a country, or more accurately, State (a political association with effective internal and external sovereignty over a geographic area and population which is not dependent on, or subject to any other power or state.) made up of several Nations (a grouping of people who share common history, culture, language and ethnic origin). Politically speaking (which is of course the whole basis of this thread, as we're talking who would you want to fight with you, states control armies so we talk states) whichever of the constituent nations you hail from your government is the UK government and your armed forces are the British Army, the Royal Navy and the Royal Airforce.

Anyway, being in the UK I'd pick France. Unlike the rest of our allies, France has similar interests, espeically in regard to its far flung remnants of empire. That being the case, no matter what British terretory was invaded (be it the Falklands, Bermuda or Birmingham) France has a vested interest in making sure it doesn't become a precident that another country can take whatever terretory they want.

The US might be useful in some situations, but if Falklands 2.0 kicked off they'd sit it out (probably to an even greater extent than they sat out the last time) as it conflicts with thier interests of rebuilding thier relations with the South American states (and containing the influence of the regionalism promoted by Chavez and Castro). France, on the other hand, has similar conflicting soverignty claims with some of its overseas territories and is bound by EU law to support the British claim. For a war on the home islands, they're our closest militarily significant neighbour (sorry Ireland) and are bound by NATO treaties to support us.

So, for an ally that can be relied upon no matter which part of British territory is invaded the choice for me has to be France.
 

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LANCE420 said:
Russia would have definitely fallen if not for the USA. It took 4 million Russian lives and 400,000 German lives for Russia to push into Berlin. Imagine how it would have went if the Russians had met the entirety of the German military, who MOST of which were defending from the Americans, Canadians, and the liberated French who were suffering minimal losses. Russia's involvement has helpful, yet not the deal clincher. Also, not to mention the poor polish army who were exploited to help Russia push through the Germans and the 45 years of occupation afterwards. sure they didn't have to speak German, they had to speak RUSSIAN!

EDIT: the pacific war was won almost entirely by USA, Canada, and UK. The allies saved Russia from Japanese forces
The vast majority of the german forces were involved in the invasion of russia, it was the largest invasion in the history of the world. The russians defeated it by themselves, most of the major victories having taken place before D-Day. It's not to say any nations involvement was not needed, without any one of the allies the whole thing could have gone very sour, but if Hitler had not decided to invade russia and had gone on with his original plan to invade Britain before declaring war on russia, then there would have been no preperation area for D day, no staging area, nothing.

The allies didnt save russia from the japanese forces either, the soviet union and japan had a pact saying they would not attack each other, this was only ended with the potsdam agreement in 1945 when the soviet union declared war on japan (after the war in europe had finished)
 

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SimuLord said:
If the US is invaded and we can't handle things ourselves, it's hard to imagine any country on Earth helping us in any meaningful way.

If the big bad Chinese are here...or the Russians...who's gonna help us, Canada?
I wouldn't worry about, the Chinese or Russians would be unable take the US. We are waaaay bigger than the entirety of Europe
 

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You know Guam is a U.S. territory right?

OT:I'd pick the U.K. Though being American, I'm having a hard time thinking of a scenario of a country being able to invade that wouldn't start a nuclear Holocaust first. Unless the Canadians like us a lot less than I realize.
 

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i would totally take the "army" of giant heads from easter island, becouse if any of them got destroyed, the whole world would get pissed at who ever is attacking me, lol
 

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Mucinex-D said:
Portal Maniac said:
I am an American of the United States, and I would choose The Republic of France to aid us.

Fuck y'all with your stereotype of the French having a piss-poor military. They've got a damn effective one, and the only reason this stereotype happened is because of a certain headline.... oh.... what was it......
[HEADING=3]FRANCE DEFEATED BY GERMANY IN WWII[/HEADING]
Which was basically..... Oh, what was it...... That's right! A SUCKER PUNCH! And even THEN the citizens of France were so patriotic and courageous that they formed a resistance and fought back!

People with THAT much fight in them are exactly the people I want covering my back should my country be invaded.
How was it a sucker punch? For nearly a year after the war started France had time to build up a military and defenses before Germany attacked... and they lasted what, a few months? not even that much? Sure the french resistance was cool but in the end they fell far too quickly.
"Far too quickly"? The Nazi's had one of the largest and most professional armies in the World. France got the full, concentrated force of it. France had actually built up the "Maginot line", a mass of defensive fortifications (which had been there since WWI) facing Germany. The Nazi forces managed to maneuver around it (delivering one heck of a sucker punch) and the French took massive amounts of casualties within only the first couple of weeks. France and Britain got thoroughly battered by the Nazis and Italians, hence France's surrender after several months.
Excuses. It's their fault they failed to properly prepare for any type of invasion. They just let the nazis maneuver around it? And after a year of preparation they shouldn't have had too much smaller an army than Germany. I'm not saying 1 on 1 that France should have won, but as quickly and easily as they fell? And I knew about the Maginot line, but that isn't much help when you can just walk around it now is it? Yes I know it wasn't that simple but France really should have seen it coming. There's no excuse why after one year of building up defenses your country falls after 2 or 3 months. I wouldn't call the German tactics a sucker punch, I would call it common sense. Or stupidity on Frances part, you be the judge. Why pass through the enemy lines when it's easier to go around. France has been a joke since Napoleon in my opinion. They did okay in WW1 but were extremely close to falling early in the war even then.
 

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I don't trust any of them, instead I use the situation to my advantage and take over the world!
 

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Mucinex-D said:
maninahat said:
Mucinex-D said:
Portal Maniac said:
I am an American of the United States, and I would choose The Republic of France to aid us.

Fuck y'all with your stereotype of the French having a piss-poor military. They've got a damn effective one, and the only reason this stereotype happened is because of a certain headline.... oh.... what was it......
[HEADING=3]FRANCE DEFEATED BY GERMANY IN WWII[/HEADING]
Which was basically..... Oh, what was it...... That's right! A SUCKER PUNCH! And even THEN the citizens of France were so patriotic and courageous that they formed a resistance and fought back!

People with THAT much fight in them are exactly the people I want covering my back should my country be invaded.
How was it a sucker punch? For nearly a year after the war started France had time to build up a military and defenses before Germany attacked... and they lasted what, a few months? not even that much? Sure the french resistance was cool but in the end they fell far too quickly.
"Far too quickly"? The Nazi's had one of the largest and most professional armies in the World. France got the full, concentrated force of it. France had actually built up the "Maginot line", a mass of defensive fortifications (which had been there since WWI) facing Germany. The Nazi forces managed to maneuver around it (delivering one heck of a sucker punch) and the French took massive amounts of casualties within only the first couple of weeks. France and Britain got thoroughly battered by the Nazis and Italians, hence France's surrender after several months.
Excuses. It's their fault they failed to properly prepare for any type of invasion. They just let the nazis maneuver around it? And after a year of preparation they shouldn't have had too much smaller an army than Germany. I'm not saying 1 on 1 that France should have won, but as quickly and easily as they fell? And I knew about the Maginot line, but that isn't much help when you can just walk around it now is it? Yes I know it wasn't that simple but France really should have seen it coming. There's no excuse why after one year of building up defenses your country falls after 2 or 3 months. I wouldn't call the German tactics a sucker punch, I would call it common sense. Or stupidity on Frances part, you be the judge. Why pass through the enemy lines when it's easier to go around. France has been a joke since Napoleon in my opinion. They did okay in WW1 but were extremely close to falling early in the war even then.
Once again, the reason the French did so poorly in WWII was because there was a traitor in the French government that sold them out.
 
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Lexodus said:
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DarkLordofDevon said:
If the UK was invaded, I'd want the GERMANS on our side! We'd probably be fighting the French, so makes sense we'd join up with Germany. Besides, British resolve with German efficiency. WE COULD RULE THE WORLD.
How many French people does it take to screw in a light bulb?
'I don't know, at the first sign of trouble they keep surrendering'?
Touche, but the answer is: 3. one to buy the light bulb, one to have it stolen by the germans, and one to call the rest of the allies to get it back.
 

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lostzombies.com said:
LANCE420 said:
Russia would have definitely fallen if not for the USA. It took 4 million Russian lives and 400,000 German lives for Russia to push into Berlin. Imagine how it would have went if the Russians had met the entirety of the German military, who MOST of which were defending from the Americans, Canadians, and the liberated French who were suffering minimal losses. Russia's involvement has helpful, yet not the deal clincher. Also, not to mention the poor polish army who were exploited to help Russia push through the Germans and the 45 years of occupation afterwards. sure they didn't have to speak German, they had to speak RUSSIAN!

EDIT: the pacific war was won almost entirely by USA, Canada, and UK. The allies saved Russia from Japanese forces
The vast majority of the german forces were involved in the invasion of russia, it was the largest invasion in the history of the world. The russians defeated it by themselves, most of the major victories having taken place before D-Day. It's not to say any nations involvement was not needed, without any one of the allies the whole thing could have gone very sour, but if Hitler had not decided to invade russia and had gone on with his original plan to invade Britain before declaring war on russia, then there would have been no preperation area for D day, no staging area, nothing.

The allies didnt save russia from the japanese forces either, the soviet union and japan had a pact saying they would not attack each other, this was only ended with the potsdam agreement in 1945 when the soviet union declared war on japan (after the war in europe had finished)
Your right about the Postdam agreement, I forgot that. I feel right stupid about that one. But Russia also would have had an easy time of it. The Allied victory was pretty much assured, only how it was going to end was in question.

But considering the human costs required to invade Germany, I doubt the invasion would have gone the Russians way if not for the other allies. If the invasion of the UK had gone as Hitler planned, the American invasion would have started there, Or Operation Market Garden efforts would have redoubled and Germany would have eventually been fighting a unified Russian/American front. As a result, the war probably would have taken many more years to resolve.
 

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Mucinex-D said:
maninahat said:
Mucinex-D said:
Portal Maniac said:
I am an American of the United States, and I would choose The Republic of France to aid us.

Fuck y'all with your stereotype of the French having a piss-poor military. They've got a damn effective one, and the only reason this stereotype happened is because of a certain headline.... oh.... what was it......
[HEADING=3]FRANCE DEFEATED BY GERMANY IN WWII[/HEADING]
Which was basically..... Oh, what was it...... That's right! A SUCKER PUNCH! And even THEN the citizens of France were so patriotic and courageous that they formed a resistance and fought back!

People with THAT much fight in them are exactly the people I want covering my back should my country be invaded.
How was it a sucker punch? For nearly a year after the war started France had time to build up a military and defenses before Germany attacked... and they lasted what, a few months? not even that much? Sure the french resistance was cool but in the end they fell far too quickly.
"Far too quickly"? The Nazi's had one of the largest and most professional armies in the World. France got the full, concentrated force of it. France had actually built up the "Maginot line", a mass of defensive fortifications (which had been there since WWI) facing Germany. The Nazi forces managed to maneuver around it (delivering one heck of a sucker punch) and the French took massive amounts of casualties within only the first couple of weeks. France and Britain got thoroughly battered by the Nazis and Italians, hence France's surrender after several months.
Excuses. It's their fault they failed to properly prepare for any type of invasion. They just let the nazis maneuver around it? And after a year of preparation they shouldn't have had too much smaller an army than Germany. I'm not saying 1 on 1 that France should have won, but as quickly and easily as they fell? And I knew about the Maginot line, but that isn't much help when you can just walk around it now is it? Yes I know it wasn't that simple but France really should have seen it coming. There's no excuse why after one year of building up defenses your country falls after 2 or 3 months. I wouldn't call the German tactics a sucker punch, I would call it common sense. Or stupidity on Frances part, you be the judge. Why pass through the enemy lines when it's easier to go around. France has been a joke since Napoleon in my opinion. They did okay in WW1 but were extremely close to falling early in the war even then.
Eh, I agree with you for the most part. But the French military isn't BAD per say, it's just that they've had a slew of awful generals since Napoleon I. As an American, I feel sort of debted to the French for their aid in the Revolutionary War, so I can't just knock them off completely. Besides, it's not like they're a Jordanian army getting kicked back in SIX DAYS. That's a terrible army right there.
 

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lostzombies.com said:
Crimsonsniper said:
Am I one of the only person who see's the irony in that most of the nations wanting the U.S. as their ally are also some of the most notrious for anti-american comments?

Personally I don't feel any single nation would be of much military aid to the U.S. in a conventional war, and a nuclear war means everyone loses. The only one's who have tended to benefit from past alliances are our allies, not ourselves. If anything these alliances are one-way in benefit and I can't name a single major conflict within the last 100 years in which our allies came to the aid of the U.S., only U.S. aid to allies in pre-existing conflicts. I'd approve of us instead having no allies but ourselves and letting the rest of the world fight their own battles.
you mean like the way without russia the whole world would be speaking german and japanese

and those brilliant victories when the US went in basically by themselves, such as korea and vietnam?

Arrogance quickly brings defeat, the best things have come when people put mindless patriotic clap trap aside and wrok together, whether in war or peace
Well someone has not brushed up on their history. Many nations were in the Korean war, though I will concede that the US made up a big majority.