Is 7/10 a low score to give Killzone 2?
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Only for the comedy, not for the review bit. Sorry for the misunderstanding.thiosk said:.
Sorry for niggling here, but you are watching ZP, so aren't you listening to a review? or are you just watching, which is not one of the options you listed. /Frank_Sinatra_ said:
It sure doesnt look like one, and it sure doesnt play like one either.. What more do you want? Oh yeah, innovation *sigh* ok theres a few things ill disagree on here.AndyFromMonday said:
Firstly, yeah, for a game to be perfect i'd expect it to innovate, but for a simple 1-10 scale it doesnt matter, if a game is amazing then its amazing and should be treated as such - the body of the review is where that point should really come out.
Secondly, polish. Polish is the key factor here, and adding polish to a standard untill said standard truely shines is an accepted way of making something better universally, the games industry is no different.
Thirdly, i'll tell you what it brings to the mix thats new, meaty controls - just as COD4 felt perfect for a soldier Killzone 2 feels perfect for a huge armored beast of a man, and thats something i have never found in any game to date. And its awesome.
Forthly, lets say someone with little gaming experience, who has not played through the FPS archtypes has a crack at k2, if the only thing lacking is 'innovation' he will not know that, is he still going to mark it down 3 points of 10? Then this is not a good review is it. Lets go one stage further, say we give killzone 2 to someone who has played through every game in existance before this one and he marks it down 8 poins because its just another eletronic simulation displayed on a screen, like everyting else nowdays it doesnt do anything new and neither does anything else. Representative? Hell no.
Fithly, if i go and order my favorite meal i do not really want that favorite meal plus an exotic endangered animal never cooked before, reguardless of taste, i want my favorite meal and if someone was going to improve it i would ask them to cook it to perfection. I'm perfectly happy when this happens. People do no buy an FPS for innovation, we buy them for fun, thrills and awesomeness and K2 has this in bags.
I'm really not sure what you're trying to say.I3uster said:
No, no they are not, they follow the same formula but they excel above the crowd. Are olympic runners the same as myself?Aardvark said:
And really, lay off the sarcasm, he had a very valid point and that was just unnessacary.
Congrats on Gonzo.
Everyone is just throwing the word POLISH here like it makes people understand what they mean.
What is so polished in kz2 that i ISNT the average FPS like Halo, i mean halo also had nice details and stuff, so what makes kz2 different from em that JUSTIFIES a 3 point or less jump in scores.
If anyone brings up gasleaks here they shall be smitten by chuck norris.
What is so polished in kz2 that i ISNT the average FPS like Halo, i mean halo also had nice details and stuff, so what makes kz2 different from em that JUSTIFIES a 3 point or less jump in scores.
If anyone brings up gasleaks here they shall be smitten by chuck norris.
Despite the fact that I don't give a fuck about review scores, I'd have to say that it's a fucking shame that Sony wasn't able to dishout the cash to pay off edge magazine. I mean, get a good game made. Yeah, totally.
Halo was not average either, and where to start.. Colour, beautiful colour despite the setting and the genre. Movement that feels right. The way the guns handle. If someone walks infront of the amazingly pretty lighting effetcs they cut out realistically, unlike that first level in halo with the bullshit fake sunbeam. The blood spurting out of someone is the best blood ever. The blood on the floor leaking out of a corpse is the 2nd best blood ever (just look for yourself). etc etc etc...I3uster said:
Gasleaks
What exactly is Halo 3 syndrome again? Because I was just playing Halo 3 all yesterday. I forged a new map on foundry with a working drawbridge controlled by a pressure activated switch and a giant two floor floating base. Then I went into matchmaking and played Big Team Social for nearly 4 hours. So if by the "Halo Syndrome," you mean that Killzone 2 will be infinitely replayable, but its campaign will suck, then I don't know what people are complaining about.oliveira8 said:
I've given a bit more thought to using Stars instead of a Numerical score. The first reason that stars are better is that you can't say that a 6/10 game is twice as good as a 3/10 one, or that an 8/10 one is four times better than a 2/10 one. The reason that you shouldn't do this is that this incorrectly assumes an even spread 1-10, when the mapping may be a "bell-curve" or "logarithmic". Comparing similar numeric scores by different magazines is a mistake, even by different reviewers at the same magazine is dubious as they have different tastes/tolerances - although, it ought to be the responsibility of the editor to ensure that the scores "speak with one voice". It didn't help matters that F.E.A.R. 2 scored an 8/10 when many would have put the two games on a par with each other... maybe if they hadn't been so 'charitable' the 7/10 would have just been written off as Edge being Edge again...Cheeze_Pavilion said:
However, after thinking about using the 5 star system that is used in Film reviews, I thought that Cheeze Pavilion's recognition of the Michelin Restaurant Guide's 3 star system may well be a better alternative.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelin_stars#Michelin_stars_and_other_ratings
"Stars are awarded sparingly...
in the UK and Ireland 2004 guide, out of
5,500 entries, there are:
98 with one star ('a very good restaurant in its category'),
11 with two stars ('excellent cooking, worth a detour'), and only
3 with three stars ('exceptional cuisine, worth a special journey')".
Now, I'm not suggesting that reviewers set the quality bar that high. However, if you look at the 1-10 range again and map the last 3 places to one, two and three stars you will have, say:
Bioshock *
If only the mechanics matched the atmosphere. If only Rapture was a less linear world to move through. If only BioShock was the wholly brilliant experience you know, from your moments within it, it could have been.
Left 4 Dead **
Valve has taken something unscripted and dynamic, and seeded it with the right amount of narrative flavour, pacing and spectacle.
Little Big Planet ***
It's a multiplayer riot, a visual landmark, a feat of engineering, and one of the most charming games ever made. But even those accolades are dwarfed by its scope, its potential, and the apparent endlessness of them both.
Which formerly, scored 8/10, 9/10 & 10/10 respectively.
Interestingly, if this "high threshold" were applied more people may read the text of the reviews as none would have scores, only the rare "award" of a few stars. Furthermore, Killzone 2 wouldn't get any kind of a mark at all, but that probably wouldn't matter as the people who wanted it would buy it regardless of whether the review was outright negative.
So, in short I'm recommending Edge drop review scores.
I invite you to re-read my Original Post. You should be able to find it quite easily, it has a 1) in front of it.DangerChimp said:
By the way, I am 39.
Sounds like good fun...Eipok Kruden said:
-- oops, sorry about the Double Post, the thread had been a lot more active ten minutes ago...
That PS3 fanboy who posted that pretty pathetic article on the review needs to have a good look at himself - whatever the case he has convinced himself that Killzone 2 is the best game ever created (its not) and that everyone agrees with him (they don't).
He's actually banning people for calling him a fanboy, how immature.
What a loser - only PS3 fanboy's must view that site because he's a "respected" member of the community...wow...
He's actually banning people for calling him a fanboy, how immature.
Well...reviews are subjective, your telling me everyone; no matter who they are thinks Killzone 2, another pretty looking generic shooter is the best game ever created?
Don't apologize, your article's hilarious. Again, because he didn't read the review, which apparently has some valid points, he just cries at the review score.
What a loser - only PS3 fanboy's must view that site because he's a "respected" member of the community...wow...
There's people called fanboys. They're the reason Killzone 2 has a 7.4 on IGN and a 6.3 on Metacritic. They're also the reason that Halo Wars has a 0.8 on Metacritic. NEVER trust the user reviews because anyone can rate, even the hundreds upon hundreds of rabid fanboys that will do anything to prevent people from getting that specific game.geldonyetich said:
Well then, I must be living in some kind of protective bubble because I don't know any reviewers that changed their minds. They all still love Halo 3's multiplayer, which is the only thing that really matters (that includes the co-op campaign). Sure, there are a lot of reviewers that changed their minds about Halo's singleplayer campaign because when they reviewed it, they were so excited about finishing the fight that they suspended critical thinking to an extent, but Halo 3's singleplayer campaign was NEVER Bungie's focus. It was the multiplayer and the co-op campaign. That's what Halo: ODST is for, it's Bungie's apology to all the fans and critics for such a mediocre campaign. They're trying to make ODST's campaign truly great to make up for Halo 3's bad one.oliveira8 said:
They really don't. Fun for a while, but there's nothing particularly unique about either of them. Unless the demo had all the excess hidden awesome fun and happytimes cut out of it, I doubt I'll be purchasing KZ2.Avida said:
His point was he believed that I was saying that Killzone 2 was a carbon clone of the Halo franchise. Fanboy was probably a bit too far, but he did seem to have missed my point entirely.
As I typed this post, I received a message from a dear friend of mine, who informed me "Killzone 2 is buckets of failure". Though we do share similar tastes in games, he's a little less kind than me.
Thankyou, I expect my busty wenches to arrive at any moment.
Edge is the one magazine where you shouldn't read into the numerical score, instead you should read the fucking review. I trust Edge, so without playing the game i'm having to agree with them.
as an aside, they gave Strangers Wrath a 10/10
GO ODDWORLD!
as an aside, they gave Strangers Wrath a 10/10
GO ODDWORLD!
if Bungie wasn't making a single player campaign as you say in Halo 3 then they wouldn't need to say sorry to the fans with ODST. QEDEipok Kruden said: