Is a fanfiction depicting the murder of Randy Pitchford ok?

[KissingSunlight]

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Actually, the reason why I wrote it like that is because I DESPISE those movies as they weren't funny. It had nothing to do with the real person insults. Black humor can be incredibly funny. Unfunny Black Humor is horrid.

I do agree that Anita making a mention of the fan fiction was in poor taste. I disagree that she was endorsing a death threat though. Why do you think it is endorsing a death threat? As I'm confused by your reasoning.

EDIT: Also, here's a tip: don't assume anything. It can lead to bad results.[/quote]

It seems your confusion has to do with not knowing the difference between a character and a real person. If I wrote that you killed Skyler from Breaking Bad, that's fiction. However, if I wrote that you walked up and killed Anna Gunn(actress who plays Skyler). That's different. I am talking about a real person now. If your reaction to that is, "I like this!" Then that is troubling. Talking about killing people is a death threat. Regardless if it's done directly or not.

 

[NiPah]

EDIT: It has come to my attention that Anita has many supporters and think she can do no wrong. I present to you from her own Bible that is T.V. Tropes. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SacredCow The sacred cow trope.

http://femfreq.tumblr.com/
It has come to my attention that Anita Sarkeesian has posted on her tumbler a fanfiction in which she and Spider man team up to take down Gearbox, and has her shooting and killing Randy Pitchford, "For Alien's Colonel Marines". She is ok with this fanfiction. She posted it saying, "I kinda like it"

Is this ok? Don't know about you, but I don't think its ok. Because it shows she is a hypocrite, that its ok to kill someone you don't like. And to anyone who says, "You are just trying to hate on her" and "It's just a joke"

To the first, no I am not, people have gone to court for writing stories detailing themselves killing someone who is real. Just because she didn't write the story, she still condones it.

Two, by that logic, any of the death threats she has gotten, can be considered a joke, by that logic.

Movie Bob and Jim Sterling, if you are reading this (and I doubt it) tell me, is she the mark of a good "critic" if she is willing to be like this.

And to the Escapist, I don't care if you take down this forum and ban me. Because I am not promoting hate speech, I am just showing the facts, giving my opinion, and letting people who read this to come up with their own answer and opinion.

A fan-fiction about murdering Randy Pitchford eh? I couldn't be arsed to read it since it's fan-fiction but it's most likely in poor taste (we're not talking Robot Chicken quality here).
Is it bad for Mrs. Sarkeesian to like it? Nope, hell if I had a random fanfic written with me in it I'd find it interesting too (and thats full on hypocrite right there).
Is it hypocritical for Mrs. Sarkeesian to like this? Since she dislikes the portrayal of violence committed against women in media? Not at all, while I disagree with her on this her point has always been the dangers of the larger impact repeated portrayal of certain tropes in media has on society as a whole and our collective thoughts on gender roles. Heck she isn't even against all violence in media against women, just that lazy writers often go back and use it because coming up with something new is more difficult and less appealing.
Now you also make the point that this negates her stance against threats made against her person, which is just wrong, while it may be in bad taste parody works are never the same as actual threats made against a person, you can like Robot Chicken and still think murder threats made against Santa is evil and not be a hypocrite.
Also this has nothing to do with her being a critic.
Also no one is going to ban you, don't cry martyrdom when at worst all you'll get is a lot of people disagreeing with you.

 

[Kontarek]

Is it anymore inappropriate than this comic depicting Gabe Newell being murdered by Slowbro?

Spoiler: Old Critical Miss Comic...

 

[xaszatm]

It seems your confusion has to do with not knowing the difference between a character and a real person. If I wrote that you killed Skyler from Breaking Bad, that's fiction. However, if I wrote that you walked up and killed Anna Gunn(actress who plays Skyler). That's different. I am talking about a real person now. If your reaction to that is, "I like this!" Then that is troubling. Talking about killing people is a death threat. Regardless if it's done directly or not.

Uh, you need to make sure you to replies correctly. That being said...I beg your pardon? Are you suggesting that I'm unable to realize the difference between reality and fantasy? Are...are you seriously asking me this? Because that's exactly what your first sentence suggests. That I am so deluded between fantasy and reality that I cannot tell a real person from a character. Sir, how dare you. How dare you even assume anything so horrid about me. Shame on you.

If you think that talking about killing people is a death threat in any context., it is YOU who is deluded, not me.

Edit: to make clear the second sentence.

 

[wulf3n]

Is it anymore inappropriate than this comic depicting Gabe Newell being murdered by Slowbro?

Spoiler: Old Critical Miss Comic...

When does Gabe Newell get killed in this comic? I see Slowbro getting killed, but not Gabe.

edit: I see it now, is the comic upside down?

OT:

I'm seeing that "Parody" is an interesting word. It seems as though it's now synonymous with "Something I like that is obviously in poor taste that I want to be free from criticism."

 

[EternallyBored]

Is it anymore inappropriate than this comic depicting Gabe Newell being murdered by Slowbro?

Spoiler: Old Critical Miss Comic...

When does Gabe Newell get killed in this comic? I see Slowbro getting killed, but not Gabe.

edit: I see it now, is the comic upside down?

OT:

I'm seeing that "Parody" is an interesting word. It seems as though it's now synonymous with "Something I like that is obviously in poor taste that I want to be free from criticism."

It looks like it's like that Dead Island trailer you see the end first and it's moving time backwards to show what led up to the first panel.

 

[wulf3n]

Is it anymore inappropriate than this comic depicting Gabe Newell being murdered by Slowbro?

Spoiler: Old Critical Miss Comic...

When does Gabe Newell get killed in this comic? I see Slowbro getting killed, but not Gabe.

edit: I see it now, is the comic upside down?

OT:

I'm seeing that "Parody" is an interesting word. It seems as though it's now synonymous with "Something I like that is obviously in poor taste that I want to be free from criticism."

It looks like it's like that Dead Island trailer you see the end first and it's moving time backwards to show what led up to the first panel.

Haha I get it now. The hat goes on the head, it's all so obvious.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

Look, I hate both Anita and Randy. It's not a burning, seething, cranked-up-to-eleven sort of hate. I'd just want to spit in their faces for the annoying, delusional, self-centered shitbags they - both - are.

Just ask yourself this question:

How would Anita have reacted had the target/actor/person 'Randy Pitchfork' been any other public person of interest, but female? I personally think that pretty much sums up the true value and contribution of Anita to the discussion, life on earth and everything in the known universe.

Let the thoughts flow freely - Have fun!

 

[Aramis Night]

The only thing this whole fan-fic did for me was make me dislike spiderman.

 

[Tsun Tzu]

How would Anita have reacted had the target/actor/person 'Randy Pitchfork' been any other public person of interest, but female?

Pretty much sums up my thought on the matter.

Right alongside, "I don't care more than the required amount to type up this post then subsequently click post."

 

[Yopaz]

Guy makes a shitty flash game where you beat up Anita: "Rabble rabble rabble rabble!!!!!!!!!!"

Person makes a fanfic where Anita murders a guy begging for his life, and RL Anita gives it a thumbs up: Oh, it's just a joke guys! Quit taking everything seriously.

It's like hypocrisy grew hands and joined the forums.

Well, there is a difference in this. The game where we could beat up Anita was coupled with a lot of threats and abuse.

However I do agree that it's a matter of seeing the tables turned here. Anita portrayed as the hero because as she murders someone only guilty of sucking is fine. Anita portrayed as the victim of misogynists is bad. The truth is that one isn't bad and one isn't good. They're both bad. I can accept the fact that most of us are unable to see the scope here, but what bothers me is that she doesn't. She's been in the same situation and knows that it's not pleasant and yet she can't see it when the same happens to someone else.

 

[Mareon]

Let's be honest here: Had the protaganist been anyone else than Sarkeesian we would all blow an collective fuse if any ill repercussions would happen because of this. Free Speech is God.

Is it tasteless? Yes, but isn't the point of free speech that you have the right to be tasteless?

Is it stupit to burn in Effigy an Real Life person who you disagree with and who made a shoddy product? Yes, but if I am not wrong, wasn't there a flash game where you beat the picture of Sarkeesian silly becasue of her crime of creating a video?

Maybe people who lives in glass houses should chill once in a while.

 

[xaszatm]

It seems your confusion has to do with not knowing the difference between a character and a real person. If I wrote that you killed Skyler from Breaking Bad, that's fiction. However, if I wrote that you walked up and killed Anna Gunn(actress who plays Skyler). That's different. I am talking about a real person now. If your reaction to that is, "I like this!" Then that is troubling. Talking about killing people is a death threat. Regardless if it's done directly or not.

Uh, you need to make sure you to replies correctly. That being said...I beg your pardon? Are you suggesting that I'm unable to realize the difference between reality and fantasy? Are...are you seriously asking me this? Because that's exactly what your first sentence suggests. That I am so deluded between fantasy and reality that I cannot tell a real person from a character. Sir, how dare you. How dare you even assume anything so horrid about me. Shame on you.

If you think that talking about killing people is a death threat in any context., it is YOU who is deluded, not me.

Edit: to make clear the second sentence.

I stand corrected. You know the difference be fantasy and reality. It just that you don't have any empathy for anyone. So, Anita says like a story about her walking up and killing you. You would have no problem with that.

Once again, STOP ASSUMING THINGS ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE. You cannot possibly be this dense! Yes, I do in fact feel empathy for others. A lot in fact. The fact that I'm a volunteer as an EMT should be proof enough, but you wouldn't think that, would you. You assume that because someone disagrees with you, they are evil. What a sad, sad, person you are turning out to be.

Once again, while I wouldn't like if she wrote such a story, I wouldn't care that she did. Because one, she doesn't know anything else about me. And two, I can take a joke. Now, if she were to mail to my home address saying that she would kill, THEN we would have a problem. But until then, no, there is none.

Once Again, stop. assuming. things. about. other. people. Do not think you know the psychology of others. Do not put words in other people's mouths. Do not think you know more than others. It is insulting.

 

[KissingSunlight]

It seems your confusion has to do with not knowing the difference between a character and a real person. If I wrote that you killed Skyler from Breaking Bad, that's fiction. However, if I wrote that you walked up and killed Anna Gunn(actress who plays Skyler). That's different. I am talking about a real person now. If your reaction to that is, "I like this!" Then that is troubling. Talking about killing people is a death threat. Regardless if it's done directly or not.

Uh, you need to make sure you to replies correctly. That being said...I beg your pardon? Are you suggesting that I'm unable to realize the difference between reality and fantasy? Are...are you seriously asking me this? Because that's exactly what your first sentence suggests. That I am so deluded between fantasy and reality that I cannot tell a real person from a character. Sir, how dare you. How dare you even assume anything so horrid about me. Shame on you.

If you think that talking about killing people is a death threat in any context., it is YOU who is deluded, not me.

Edit: to make clear the second sentence.

I stand corrected. You know the difference be fantasy and reality. It just that you don't have any empathy for anyone. So, Anita says like a story about her walking up and killing you. You would have no problem with that.

Once again, STOP ASSUMING THINGS ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE. You cannot possibly be this dense! Yes, I do in fact feel empathy for others. A lot in fact. The fact that I'm a volunteer as an EMT should be proof enough, but you wouldn't think that, would you. You assume that because someone disagrees with you, they are evil. What a sad, sad, person you are turning out to be.

Once again, while I wouldn't like if she wrote such a story, I wouldn't care that she did. Because one, she doesn't know anything else about me. And two, I can take a joke. Now, if she were to mail to my home address saying that she would kill, THEN we would have a problem. But until then, no, there is none.

Once Again, stop. assuming. things. about. other. people. Do not think you know the psychology of others. Do not put words in other people's mouths. Do not think you know more than others. It is insulting.

I don't think you are evil. (Who is assuming now?) I am deeply troubled by the fact that you and other people don't find it troubling that writing death fantasies about real people is no big deal.

I'm done debating this. Your debating strategy has been taking offense over one thing I said and ignoring the bigger point.

The reason Anita endorsed this stupid story is to continue to bait trolls. If she gets enough stupid responses, then she can collect them and complain about being a victim.

 

[Flatfrog]

No prosecutor worth his salt would ever take a case like that to trial, and even if they did, you'd never be convicted since you need to, you know, actually threaten someone to be convicted of making threats.

Tell that to Justin Carter

 

[EternallyBored]

It seems your confusion has to do with not knowing the difference between a character and a real person. If I wrote that you killed Skyler from Breaking Bad, that's fiction. However, if I wrote that you walked up and killed Anna Gunn(actress who plays Skyler). That's different. I am talking about a real person now. If your reaction to that is, "I like this!" Then that is troubling. Talking about killing people is a death threat. Regardless if it's done directly or not.

Uh, you need to make sure you to replies correctly. That being said...I beg your pardon? Are you suggesting that I'm unable to realize the difference between reality and fantasy? Are...are you seriously asking me this? Because that's exactly what your first sentence suggests. That I am so deluded between fantasy and reality that I cannot tell a real person from a character. Sir, how dare you. How dare you even assume anything so horrid about me. Shame on you.

If you think that talking about killing people is a death threat in any context., it is YOU who is deluded, not me.

Edit: to make clear the second sentence.

I stand corrected. You know the difference be fantasy and reality. It just that you don't have any empathy for anyone. So, Anita says like a story about her walking up and killing you. You would have no problem with that.

Once again, STOP ASSUMING THINGS ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE. You cannot possibly be this dense! Yes, I do in fact feel empathy for others. A lot in fact. The fact that I'm a volunteer as an EMT should be proof enough, but you wouldn't think that, would you. You assume that because someone disagrees with you, they are evil. What a sad, sad, person you are turning out to be.

Once again, while I wouldn't like if she wrote such a story, I wouldn't care that she did. Because one, she doesn't know anything else about me. And two, I can take a joke. Now, if she were to mail to my home address saying that she would kill, THEN we would have a problem. But until then, no, there is none.

Once Again, stop. assuming. things. about. other. people. Do not think you know the psychology of others. Do not put words in other people's mouths. Do not think you know more than others. It is insulting.

I don't think you are evil. (Who is assuming now?) I am deeply troubled by the fact that you and other people don't find it troubling that writing death fantasies about real people is no big deal.

I'm done debating this. Your debating strategy has been taking offense over one thing I said and ignoring the bigger point.

The reason Anita endorsed this stupid story is to continue to bait trolls. If she gets enough stupid responses, then she can collect them and complain about being a victim.

I would hardly call the fic a death fantasy it was literally written madlib style to come up with a 1000 word fic using random characters, it's her teaming up with spiderman to fight Green Goblin and Gearbox. Even in our zero tolerance society that wouldn't be enough to get a school kid set up for disciplinary action in most places. You do realize actual media (celebrity death match, Robot chicken, Saturday Night Live, mad T.V. and magazine) does this all the time with people with actual blood and gore on a regular basis for the last 30+ years.

Seriously the fic wasn't even written as a diatribe against pitchford, the blog that writes these just takes random reader ideas and shoves them into short stories as a writting practice tool. Death fantasy would require some form of intent, it requires the writer to actually want the target person to fictionally suffer for the purpose of self-satisfaction.

I really don't even like Anita but these ludicrous arguments distract us from the things that actually are wrong or poor about her videos, it just makes people arguing against her look obsessed, I mean is Tenkage seriously visiting her blog just to find any tidbit that may be slightly questionable?