I live in Australia and can vote in that poll. A online poll isn't worth much and isn't what I was talking about.JWAN said:
Is America a mainly Conservative Country?
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Well, to be fair, you only really pulled down one of my quotes, and after Nixon the Republican and Democratic parties switched sides. And I had no idea Xbox live banned gay users. And no, I did not catch the Magic Negro thing from Spike Lee, but Rush Limbaugh is racist. Does that mean all of them are? No. Just the fact that even though the majority of them aren't, they still put up with people that do. Which is essentially closet racism.Treblaine said:
Depends on where you are I suppose. At my university everything is pretty left winged (as it often is in place of higher learning and a denser population). Back home it is depressingly conservative. Our town paper ran a headline story about local Republicans having a town hall meeting for four days before the meeting and three days after. So in summary:
If you happen to be in a city with a population of over 40k+ or a non-religious learning institution, its likely liberal.
If you are in a rural area or south of the Mason-Dixon line, its probably conservative.
If you happen to be in a city with a population of over 40k+ or a non-religious learning institution, its likely liberal.
If you are in a rural area or south of the Mason-Dixon line, its probably conservative.
All states have public schools, public nursing homes and public transportation, government run mail and government gun registration. Who builds our roads and bridges and maintains our canals anyway? The media has no constraints other than keeping the language cleaner than some countries but its not the most by far (apparently you've never watched American broadcasts). We vote for lower taxes so that businesses don't have to raise prices to raise the cost of living on the middle class usually, but if you know anything about current events we elected a hyper liberal named Obama who is turning that over. Public schools are supported universally. Now the government owns the auto industry, the banks and has a wing in health care.Dys said:
The government is supposed to protect the people from outside forces and allow them to live their lives with minimal interference...that's a founding belief and its best that way. Consumer protection is the right for people to make wise decisions and if something goes wrong they can report it to the consumer protection agency (another public service). We have 6,465,799 km of roadways that's 5,652,827 more km of roadway more than Australia therefore a little more difficult to maintain. We also have to maintain more rail lines and airports. Everything is more extensive in this country because of vast distances and therefore needs more time and energy to update or repair than a country like Australia that only has to worry about a few environments and a lot less equipment to watch like Australia. In other words a country that is logistically extensive like the US will need more stuff to keep everything moving correctly. The president signs in under "God" not "Christian God" and I cannot believe how many people bring that up and assume that there is only one religion on this planet that calls their God "God".
Disclaimer: I realize there are generalizations (namely "conservative" and "liberal") within this post, but this topic calls for them: we'll never talk about anything if we constantly have to say, "But not everyone!" I get it, I know there's more to it, I'm just keeping the discussion simple.
Anyway, if America is highly conservative, than the liberal side must be really freaking loud, 'cause they drown out any conservative stuff there may be. I hear a heck of a lot more complaints about how conservative our country is than I ever hear stuff that is actually conservative.
Think about it. Abortion is legal, and more freedoms are consistently being awarded in that area. Homosexuality is being accepted rather quickly around the nation: complain all you want about the conservatives holding it back, but it's proceeding very quickly. Most media is very much R-rated, something conservatives sometimes complain about and are always met with insults from a huge amount of liberals.
If America is a conservative country, then the liberals here must just have an extremely loud voice.
In other words: no.
Anyway, if America is highly conservative, than the liberal side must be really freaking loud, 'cause they drown out any conservative stuff there may be. I hear a heck of a lot more complaints about how conservative our country is than I ever hear stuff that is actually conservative.
Think about it. Abortion is legal, and more freedoms are consistently being awarded in that area. Homosexuality is being accepted rather quickly around the nation: complain all you want about the conservatives holding it back, but it's proceeding very quickly. Most media is very much R-rated, something conservatives sometimes complain about and are always met with insults from a huge amount of liberals.
If America is a conservative country, then the liberals here must just have an extremely loud voice.
In other words: no.
I totally agree, its just about what side you want to watch but its like this in every country on the planet that doesn't have socialized media.FinalHeart95 said:
Watch C Span. all CSpan is is a camera in the room with all of the politicians duking it out and voting. if you want the facts get it from the original source
Oh, whee. This is always fun.
I tend to lean to the "It's a fairly even split, the conservatives are just louder right now" camp. But given that there has been a well-run campaign to demonize even the word liberal, the amount of noise shouldn't be surprising.
But the fact is that what calls itself "conservativism" in America has set itself up for inevitable wane. It leans older, male, and white, while the population as a whole is slowly turning towards a significant female majority, a white minority, and younger, especially in the use of new technologies for communication (a significant part of why Barack Obama won the presidency- by a significantly higher margin than Bush in either election, notably.)
Incidentally, the founding fathers were a rather eclectic group of Enlightenment free-thinkers, and any attempt to claim them wholesale by either the right or the left wing ought to be taken with a grain of salt.
I tend to lean to the "It's a fairly even split, the conservatives are just louder right now" camp. But given that there has been a well-run campaign to demonize even the word liberal, the amount of noise shouldn't be surprising.
But the fact is that what calls itself "conservativism" in America has set itself up for inevitable wane. It leans older, male, and white, while the population as a whole is slowly turning towards a significant female majority, a white minority, and younger, especially in the use of new technologies for communication (a significant part of why Barack Obama won the presidency- by a significantly higher margin than Bush in either election, notably.)
Incidentally, the founding fathers were a rather eclectic group of Enlightenment free-thinkers, and any attempt to claim them wholesale by either the right or the left wing ought to be taken with a grain of salt.
Do you have any real poll or just funny one liners?JWAN said:
(Note: What you said really was funny, but I'm trying to be serious)
The polls ask what people described themselves as. I don't really know how to make an answer to the OP's question less biased than that. If the question itself is flawed, like you're indicating, that's something else entirely.Treblaine said:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/55_favor_repeal_of_health_care_billKnight Templar said:
55% of the country wants to repeal it and I really do think it should have went up to a national vote instead of "representatives". Of course before it was passed Obama forbade anyone from going back to their home states to talk with the public, they could only do it by taking money out of their warchest for the next election.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/vp/36059256#36059256 <--another interesting report that came out after the vote. Im saying that the reps didn't properly rep the public and that this bill was just another payoff.
How about you do a non biased poll sight. It is well known rasmussen advances right wing talking points. But hey while were throwing poll numbers out thereJWAN said:
Uh oh son, looks like we have conflicting reports.
Well you used a liberal bent source. So I guess we take an average. Thats from USA Today, you might as well ask Obamas cabinet what they think. It totally depends on where you poll.ZergInfestedJesus said:How about you do a non biased poll sight. It is well known rasmussen advances right wing talking points. But hey while were throwing poll numbers out thereJWAN said:
Uh oh son, looks like we have conflicting reports.
Hey, [sub] I was gonna put that. [/sub] Either way there are a number of other interesting polls from that same site such as: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/49_support_state_lawsuits_against_health_care_planJWAN said:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_performance
64% say congress is doing a poor job
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/54_say_cost_is_biggest_problem_with_health_care
and http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/50_say_states_should_have_right_to_opt_out_of_health_care_reform_plan
That doesn't mean you're right, it just means that the two things say different things. Now if you could come up with consistent reports from several studies each done by a different organization, then you might have something.ZergInfestedJesus said:How about you do a non biased poll sight. It is well known rasmussen advances right wing talking points. But hey while were throwing poll numbers out there
Uh oh son, looks like we have conflicting reports.
Umm... Nice, I actually have no idea who those people are (though I would be much obliged if you were to inform me) I'm just here because people seem hell-bent on making it look like people who don't like that Obama is trying to make public option the only option are loonies (wow that was drawn out). And they are complaining about bias. I don't have a problem with health care reform in all honesty, just not the way they are doing it.JWAN said: