Is Anime really more mature than Western cartoons?

[Ares Tyr]

But I swear to Zeus almighty if I see another anime fan use the 'XD' smiley again, I'm going to punch the first person I see wearing any form of anime merchandise in real life.

I don't really associate that style of emoticon with "anime fans" so much as "westerners." Personally, I prefer eastern style! ^_^

Both infuriate me.

And make me ashamed of admitting I'm an anime fan.

Wow. If not-anime-related emoticons make you ashamed of admitted to liking anime, I'm surprised you haven't seen some of the fandoms and gone completely insane.

Why do you think I curse so much and do mixed martial arts?

Well most contain alien cyborg pirate tentical rape, so yea.

That's only the really, really good ones.

 

[Anarchy In Detroit]

Are there animes that are mature? Sure there are. But overwhelmingly most aren't and neither are their fans.

comparing all animes to all western cartoons is however foolish.

Apart from comedy and kid shows cartoons are kind of rare. We have what now? Venture Bros, Boondocks, and a slew of stuff we watch on Adult Swim when we're baked? There have been in the past other cartoons aimed at adults but overall we tend to just not make those.

 

[hannarr]

Yes I know this is a very useful tool and would have used it had I not had to take two peoples replies and answer them both beccause you'll have to excuse me in that I don't know how to specify what I want quoted or get more than one quote, I'm sure this is a very easy task and you'll want to go on at me for how simple it is but really all you would be doing is helping me so I'll leave the choice between assisting yet feeling smug or leaving me in the dark upto you. However I did trust that either you or that other girl who can't spell her name properly would come back to this thread at some point and use this useful tool to inform me of your own seperate responses, which you did so al is well.

And even if you hadn't I was pretty sure some fanboy/girl would have picked up from where you left off because lets face it there isn't exactly a shortage of them.

Good job on responding to the actual topic being debated! I'll take that as you slyly exiting with your tail between your legs.
LOL HAI GUYS MY NAME IS HANNAH BUT I CANT SPELL MA OWN NAME RITE AND I DIDN'T DO THAT ON PURPOUSE OR ANYFIN!!!!
Holy shit is that seriously meant to be a genuine insult?

 

[Soxafloppin]

Well most contain alien cyborg pirate tentical rape, so yea.

Define most?

.

All.

 

[Captain Bobbossa]

Well most contain alien cyborg pirate tentical rape, so yea.

Define most?

Yes I know this is a very useful tool and would have used it had I not had to take two peoples replies and answer them both beccause you'll have to excuse me in that I don't know how to specify what I want quoted or get more than one quote, I'm sure this is a very easy task and you'll want to go on at me for how simple it is but really all you would be doing is helping me so I'll leave the choice between assisting yet feeling smug or leaving me in the dark upto you. However I did trust that either you or that other girl who can't spell her name properly would come back to this thread at some point and use this useful tool to inform me of your own seperate responses, which you did so al is well.

And even if you hadn't I was pretty sure some fanboy/girl would have picked up from where you left off because lets face it there isn't exactly a shortage of them.

Actually, I would have been happy to show you how to quote, like alot of escapists, I'm not a bad person, and would be happy in showing you certain functions, except of course that you decided to have another dig at me.

Good day sir! I shan't fan the flames anymore.

Did I take a dig at you? I'm terribly sorry I thought I was only defending myself and taking a dig at the other one.

 

[Captain Bobbossa]

Yes I know this is a very useful tool and would have used it had I not had to take two peoples replies and answer them both beccause you'll have to excuse me in that I don't know how to specify what I want quoted or get more than one quote, I'm sure this is a very easy task and you'll want to go on at me for how simple it is but really all you would be doing is helping me so I'll leave the choice between assisting yet feeling smug or leaving me in the dark upto you. However I did trust that either you or that other girl who can't spell her name properly would come back to this thread at some point and use this useful tool to inform me of your own seperate responses, which you did so al is well.

And even if you hadn't I was pretty sure some fanboy/girl would have picked up from where you left off because lets face it there isn't exactly a shortage of them.

Good job on responding to the actual topic being debated! I'll take that as you slyly exiting with your tail between your legs.
LOL HAI GUYS MY NAME IS HANNAH BUT I CANT SPELL MA OWN NAME RITE AND I DIDN'T DO THAT ON PURPOUSE OR ANYFIN!!!!
Holy shit is that seriously meant to be a genuine insult?

What?

EDIT: Can I go to bed now because either I'm delerious from lack of sleep or your purposefully trying not to make sence.

 

[Ghostkai]

I'll leave the choice between assisting yet feeling smug or leaving me in the dark upto you.

Did I take a dig at you? I'm terribly sorry I thought I was only defending myself and taking a dig at the other one.

Not a really bad one really, but giving me the choice of not helping you, and therefore being a twat, or helping you, but then being a twat too.

 

[scotth266]

Ah, thank you for reminding me of the Abridged Series. I recommend it to anyone, even people who dislike Yu-Gi-Oh! or animes in general. Not only is it hilarious, it also makes fun of the many changes 4Kids did to the show. Overall, very entertaining.

No problem. It's good because it not only mocks the 4kids dubbing, but the anime in general, mocking it for 2 times the comedic damage!

No, just more pretentious.

If you're going to say something, explain it.

Also, I dare anyone to watch Batman: The Animated Series (the American show) followed by Big O (the anime). Stylistically and thematically Big O is pretty much a huge rip-off (or homage depending on how you look at it) of Batman: TAS. While there aren't alot of examples, when Americans try, they can produce some pretty amazing shit, and influence Japan (who's got, like, way superior animation skills, amirite?).

No, Big O is not a ripoff of Batman TAS, though I can see why you would think that. TAS focuses on a style formed from the 1940's: heavily influenced by noir films. Big O is more steampunk, though it also has the noir style to it. Hence the art styles can be similar at times: they both draw from the same artistic and thematic influence.

Apart from comedy and kid shows cartoons are kind of rare. We have what now? Venture Bros, Boondocks, and a slew of stuff we watch on Adult Swim when we're baked? There have been in the past other cartoons aimed at adults but overall we tend to just not make those.

Avatar is actually good enough to be admired by all ages (though you have to get past the AWFULLY bad start of the first season.) I know 20-something average folks who like it at college. Batman TAS (wiki it) is also good stuff, though that was made before the Death of Toonami.

 

[Ghostkai]

Well most contain alien cyborg pirate tentical rape, so yea.

Define most?

.

All.

Guess I'll have to rewatch ninja scroll... Musta missed that bit where the cyborg alien pirate uses it's tentical to rape people. I'll keep my eyes peeled for that though.

 

[Captain Bobbossa]

I'll leave the choice between assisting yet feeling smug or leaving me in the dark upto you.

Did I take a dig at you? I'm terribly sorry I thought I was only defending myself and taking a dig at the other one.

Not a really bad one really, but giving me the choice of not helping you, and therefore being a twat, or helping you, but then being a twat too.

I spose, sorry I'm in grumpy rant mode and have been all day. Anyway... I am now going to bed, I was going to wait for Hannarr's response but I lost consiousness a minute ago, so for the sake of my own health.... farewell all...

 

[hannarr]

Yes I know this is a very useful tool and would have used it had I not had to take two peoples replies and answer them both beccause you'll have to excuse me in that I don't know how to specify what I want quoted or get more than one quote, I'm sure this is a very easy task and you'll want to go on at me for how simple it is but really all you would be doing is helping me so I'll leave the choice between assisting yet feeling smug or leaving me in the dark upto you. However I did trust that either you or that other girl who can't spell her name properly would come back to this thread at some point and use this useful tool to inform me of your own seperate responses, which you did so al is well.

And even if you hadn't I was pretty sure some fanboy/girl would have picked up from where you left off because lets face it there isn't exactly a shortage of them.

Good job on responding to the actual topic being debated! I'll take that as you slyly exiting with your tail between your legs.
LOL HAI GUYS MY NAME IS HANNAH BUT I CANT SPELL MA OWN NAME RITE AND I DIDN'T DO THAT ON PURPOUSE OR ANYFIN!!!!
Holy shit is that seriously meant to be a genuine insult?

What?

EDIT: Can I go to bed now because either I'm delerious from lack of sleep or your purposefully trying not to make sence.

You can leave whenever you want?
Also, learn to fucking play. If you're going to play flamewars, atleast be NEARLY capable of finishing what you started.
You just got pwnt and then started not even talking about the original topic.

 

[soren7550]

Well, seeing as the only western cartoons I've seen were intended to be stupid, silly and not to be taken seriously. The only ones that I know of that are adult oriented are on (or were) on Adult Swim, Aeon Flux, The Maxx, Beavis & Buthead, and South Park.

So this could be why I think anime is more mature than western cartoons, but then again I only saw a few animes, so I can't really give a answer to the question.

 

[Crabturtleking]

Well most contain alien cyborg pirate tentical rape, so yea.

Define most?

.

All.

I assure you that I could name at least a dozen animes that have none of the above you've mentioned. Unless of course you're kidding, in which stop throwing incendiaries on the fire

 

[Ares Tyr]

Also, I dare anyone to watch Batman: The Animated Series (the American show) followed by Big O (the anime). Stylistically and thematically Big O is pretty much a huge rip-off (or homage depending on how you look at it) of Batman: TAS. While there aren't alot of examples, when Americans try, they can produce some pretty amazing shit, and influence Japan (who's got, like, way superior animation skills, amirite?).

No, Big O is not a ripoff of Batman TAS, though I can see why you would think that. TAS focuses on a style formed from the 1940's: heavily influenced by noir films. Big O is more steampunk, though it also has the noir style to it. Hence the art styles can be similar at times: they both draw from the same artistic and thematic influence.

I like Big O, and when I say rip-off, I mean homage. I was just saying it in the same way that people say Avatar is a rip-off of Japanese shows. I guess I need to stop reading Cracked.com articles.

But it is definetly inluenced by Batman: TAS. I mean, pretty much everything points to that, including the pointy-fingered art style

 

[MBFCPresident]

In some of the anime I've seen, mostly the story/character development (plus themes and some miscellaneous stuff) seems to be more mature than most mainstream Western animation.

 

[Russian_Assassin]

Is pizza more tasty than hamburgers? As one would answer, there are kinds of pizza that makes you want to puke and at the same time there are pizzas that taste heavenly! Same goes for hamburgers, of course. You can't compare two groups just like that, since there is a a lot of variety in them.

Why are there so many threads about Anime these days anyways?

 

[Kinguendo]

Mature in the sense that they ALWAYS have sexual undertones but not so much in some of the story.

I'm trying to remember the sexual undertones in Spirited Away...

You mean: Are japanese cartoons more mature than Western ones?

/Thread.

/unthread.

There is always some, very subtle maybe, but you will be watching and then for maybe 3 seconds something will happen and you will think "Well... that was inappropriate". XD

...in other words, if you really, really want to find sexual undertones, you will. Even if you have to squint a little and convince yourself.

I mean come on, even Pokemon had sexual undertones thanks to Brock... dirty bugger.

Well, duh. Brock's not an undertone. He's pretty damned obvious.

Nope, its called paying attention.

Not if you can find sexual undertones in Spirited Away, it's not.

Set in a bathhouse... all I am saying.

Because the implication that vaguely anthropomorphic (if that) spirits take baths is inherently sexual? You'd have to call Rule 34 so hard Miyazaki would start having spontaneous nightmares.

Sorry, but 10 year old girls hanging out in bathhouses does not sit well with me.

I'm sorry. But this line of thought, more than any in this thread, absolutely disgusts me. Reactionary puritanism at it's finest. Bathhouse\sex. Especially considering cultural differences. If you can empirically show me any scene in that movie with sexual undertones, that doesn't reek of Freudian soft-science bullshit, I'll admit I'm wrong. But baths are so far removed from sex it's not even funny. What relation even is there? nudity? Big fracking deal. There's not a nude shot in the entire film. If a bunch of crocodiles and animorphis blobs sitting in water seems sexual to you, you have problems. Talk about taking one of the most innocent, imaginative, and intelligent children's films of all time and trying to pervert it.

Also, my point was that western cartoons have had heavy sexual undertones since the times of bugs bunny. Why are you using it as an argument at anime?

Please read less of my comments so you won't get a general idea of what I am actually saying(!)

And no people taking baths isnt sexual... but it isnt a god damn spectator sport! A children cartoon about a 10 year old girl hanging out in a bathhouse doesnt matter if there is nothing sexual about it, bathhouses arent meant for children so putting one there is irresponsible... its in the same vein (although to a lesser degree) to putting a child in an crack den when the people go to the shops... No, they arent taking drugs or being involved with any people there but it is still bloody irresponsible.

 

[Worsle]

Also, I dare anyone to watch Batman: The Animated Series (the American show) followed by Big O (the anime). Stylistically and thematically Big O is pretty much a huge rip-off (or homage depending on how you look at it) of Batman: TAS. While there aren't alot of examples, when Americans try, they can produce some pretty amazing shit, and influence Japan (who's got, like, way superior animation skills, amirite?).

No, Big O is not a ripoff of Batman TAS, though I can see why you would think that. TAS focuses on a style formed from the 1940's: heavily influenced by noir films. Big O is more steampunk, though it also has the noir style to it. Hence the art styles can be similar at times: they both draw from the same artistic and thematic influence.

Apart from comedy and kid shows cartoons are kind of rare. We have what now? Venture Bros, Boondocks, and a slew of stuff we watch on Adult Swim when we're baked? There have been in the past other cartoons aimed at adults but overall we tend to just not make those.

Avatar is actually good enough to be admired by all ages (though you have to get past the AWFULLY bad start of the first season.) I know 20-something average folks who like it at college. Batman TAS (wiki it) is also good stuff, though that was made before the Death of Toonami.

No B:TAS really was one of the influences behind The Big O, Roger Smith is pretty much Bruce Wayne with a giant robot. Though it is not surprising there is connections in the animation studios and B:TAS is one of the best western animations there is. While the Big O dill pull from other things the Batman influence is very clear.

Avatar is rather well written once it gets going, by far the cleverest children's show I have seen in a long time. However B:TAS and avatar are in the minority because of the low place animation is given in general in the west (Seduction of the Innocent probably has a lot to pay here too) that limits how much lease they are given. I mean B:TAS is a lot better than shows that where given prim time slots but there is no way a cartoon could be put in those slots and do well.

Western writers can be just as good as any Eastern one and this is no surprise. However they just don't get the licence to pull off what can be done in an anime. It is a pity as was we get the occasional glimpse of what could be.

 

[Knonsense]

Well, serious western cartoons are taboo for some reason. That's not the case in Japan.

I think that while anime is often equally or less mature than western animation, it has a greater potential for maturity at this time.