Is call of duty an art?

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luccadeas

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Like all of you, I try to preach about how games are an art as much as I can and am willing to debate it with the naysayers. But I always get a frequently asked question: what about all of duty or other first person shooters? people understand other games like RPG's because of the story or the innovation but what about FPS's? yes some games are mindless shooting but... those are still fun, and I will defend them. but how can I explain that first person shooter's are an art as well?
 

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I still can't really get comfortable with the whole "games are art" idea in the first place. It may well be foul words from a gamers mouth, but that's just how I feel...
 

emeraldrafael

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All combat is an Art.

But I would say yes. What separates CoD from a painting of war like Charge of the Light Brigade, except that CoD puts you into it.
 

whtkid6969

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Yes. I belive it is, well the campaign at least. The Multiplayer ehh not so much. but the story itself is basically an interactive movie.
 

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Absolutely not. Call of Duty is the epitome of what is dragging gaming down as a legitimate form of expression, and it's existence drowns other, far superior games. Games such as Counter-Strike are submerged, and games like ICO are completely forgotten. Thanks Activision!
 

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If you call smearing shit on a piece of paper art, then yes it is.
But this is coming from someone who doesn't like the CoD series.
 

Aris Khandr

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Yahtzee Croshaw said:
In short: No.
In long: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
That said, not even close. It's brainless time wasting, the cultural equivalent of cotton candy. It may technically be "food", but it's insubstantial and provides no actual value.
 

Fireshot25

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No, it has no symbolism or meaning. At least that's my definition of "art". CoD is purely entertainment.
 

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CoD is an art as much as From Paris with Love is a social commentary on how all non-whites and muslims are terrorists and must be dealt with accordingly.

So NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
 

luccadeas

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thanks for all the replies guys! believer258 made a very good point too. I'll be sure to refer back to this forum when I'm defending a first person shooter.
 

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Just as with movies/music/books/etc., just because something is part of an entertainment medium that can be art, everything within that medium does not have to be art. If you're trying to tell someone that every single videogame is art, then you're barking up the wrong tree to start with. Take a look at movies. We have Citizen Kane and Shawshank Redemption.. but we also have Transformers. The fact that Transformers movies exist in no way demeans or refutes the existence of the other two. To that end, there are many FPS games that are very artistic in nature; Bioshock and Deus Ex being just two of them.

As far as CoD itself, well, it certainly does contain art in the form of the audio and visuals so there is that. There are also scenes which, though bombastic in nature, do trend towards having a message such as the No Russian scene or the scene in MW where you die by nuclear exposure. If you're that dedicated to holding up all videogames as art, I guess that's one way you could go.
 

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No, call of duty can be summarized in 4 words "Go here, shoot that". Besides, from all of the people I know that play it don't even take the time to ponder how long the designers worked on each environment and how well the character design is. No, all they care about is "GAAAHHHH KIIILLLLL!!!" *rage rage, foam foam* Granted not everyone that plays CoD behaves like that....it's just that most of them do. I'm sure you could find a way to make FPSes poetic in their symbolism, but as far as the main objective goes, no it's not art, it's just a simulation for war and mindless killing.
 

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All Call Of Duty are the same in essence, so they're not an art. Are they art? Hm, is a straightforward shooter art? Mno. Does it make it art to let it take place in historical wars? You mean so that it depicts historical wars as straightforward shooters? Doesn't that trivialize them? I'd say, it's not art..
 

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luccadeas said:
Like all of you, I try to preach about how games are an art as much as I can and am willing to debate it with the naysayers. But I always get a frequently asked question: what about all of duty or other first person shooters? people understand other games like RPG's because of the story or the innovation but what about FPS's? yes some games are mindless shooting but... those are still fun, and I will defend them. but how can I explain that first person shooter's are an art as well?

Well, to be honest story has nothing to do with what makes an RPG an RPG. It can be added to anything and will improve the overall product.


In the end the thing with FPS games is that they rarely have any kind of a story involved at all, and even if there is one, it's so far away from the game as a whole that you might as well not even know that it's there. The majority of time spent in games like "Call Of Duty" is in multiplayer, some not even touching the single player portion of the game, and as a result it's like trying to argue that paintball is art. You can argue that it IS a competitive sport, but it's not an art. Right now you have a whole movement based around the idea of "cyberathletes", with fingers being pointed towards things like the Starcraft leagues in Korea. FPS games can be defended as an amateur sport waaaay out of on the fringes, but that is about it.

Now if this was to change, I suppose the analysis on FPS games as art could also change, but that would involve also changing the core player base, who are pretty much people who specifically don't want, or actively disdain, anything cereberal. FPS games are designed to appeal to the lowest human denominator, with big explosions, and mindless action.. because that is the audience that has built up around them. Bucking trends like that are VERY difficult. It's very easy to dumb something down for the lowest human denominator, but very hard to build it back up from that. This is one of the concerns inherant in the dumbing down of RPGs, each time they get dumber, it becomes harder and harder to even seriously consider building them back up to their previous level.

See, with an RPG what can make them artistic, other then the story, is the abstract nature of the whole experience with things being represented by numbers and chance. If you can say convey a swordfight into the mind of a viewer using nothing but numbers, that's similar to paintings that convey an image indirectly as opposed to just showing one. It might be over the heads of 99% of the people out there, but it's artistic. In comparison there is nothing all that special abount putting targeting sight over an enemy and hitting "fire", it might be fun, but there is nothing artistic or thought provoking about it.

So basically, my attitude is that no FPS games are not art, but that does not mean that they potentially could not be. I do however find it unlikely that we will ever see them reach that level for financial reasons. They have evolved to be like this for a reason, and that reason is the money.
 

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StriderShinryu said:
Just as with movies/music/books/etc., just because something is part of an entertainment medium that can be art, everything within that medium does not have to be art. If you're trying to tell someone that every single videogame is art, then you're barking up the wrong tree to start with. Take a look at movies. We have Citizen Kane and Shawshank Redemption.. but we also have Transformers. The fact that Transformers movies exist in no way demeans or refutes the existence of the other two. To that end, there are many FPS games that are very artistic in nature; Bioshock and Deus Ex being just two of them.

As far as CoD itself, well, it certainly does contain art in the form of the audio and visuals so there is that. There are also scenes which, though bombastic in nature, do trend towards having a message such as the No Russian scene or the scene in MW where you die by nuclear exposure. If you're that dedicated to holding up all videogames as art, I guess that's one way you could go.
this is a very good point. I'll think more about what I say is and isn't art.
 

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Arguably some of the scenes are art. The one where you're dying of radiation poisoning is a rather incredible scene. Just the feel of Pripyat is rather nice. Abandoned, full of vicious dogs and arms dealers. The moral ambiguity is also a nice touch. However, the gameplay, as in mowing down hundreds of arabs, russians, nazis ect. is not really innovative or artistic. So all the actual fun parts of the game aren't what I would call art.