Is gaming bad for your mental health?

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ALuckyChance

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derelix said:
I was referring to your other statement, where I said "Common sense =/= fact"
I believe my statement still addressed that.

I stand by what I said before, it isn't natural. If you want to play the "scientific evidence" game then maybe you can show me a study that proves that humans were meant to stare at bright lights and be still for most of their lives.
See, now you're just resorting to absurdism. Of course we weren't meant to, because we weren't meant to do anything other than survive, if even that (as saying we're 'meant to' implies a higher power, which I don't agree with). It was our own intelligence that had us realize there's more to do - or at least more to reach for - than just to hunt for food and sleep.

Yes addiction is natural and so is obsession but that doesn't mean everything we obsess over is natural. We were meant to obsess over things that were important to our survival. Obsess over your plants, you need food. Obsess over the safety of your home. Obsess over your search for water. The feeling is natural but clearly our "natural" instincts have been hijacked by corporations that feel it's a good way to keep us motivated and consuming as much as possible.
Enjoyment is natural, and very much wanted. Video games, just like novels and movies, provide enjoyment. Thus, it makes sense for us to want it, and even to obsess over it.

And yes, "can" just like doing coke "can" be unhealthy. I won't say obsessing over bright lights in a box is always unhealthy because then you'll say that I'm claiming my opinion to be fact without evidence. There are probably people who obsess over pointless media while living a "productive" life for society, but the exception doesn't change the general rule. Obsess over pointless idiotic things, and your life will usually become pointless and depressing.
Well, I can't argue against something that's filled with speculation. As in: "can," "probably," etc.

You seem to think video games are pointless and idiotic. That also happens to be your opinion, unless you can give proof other than 'common sense.'

You can say I'm crazy, but the fact is depression is so common now that we actually treat it as if it's a medical condition. Don't you think there could be a connection between our sudden obsession with electronics and the growing depression?
Well, I don't know anything about 'growing depression,' so I'll have to stay silent on that one.

EDIT: I think I'm coming down with something, and am gonna go to sleep, so it'll take about 9-12 hours for me to reply.
 

Kenko

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Ive got plenty of friends and have no problems socially. Apart from getting a girlfriend. But no1 likes a cynical bastard so thats mostly my fault. But ive no problems talking or engaging in conversation if im interested in talking to said person. And I pretty much get my life-source from gaming. Suppose its different for each individual how they handle it or not handle it. But as for "Mental Health".... Well its not like playing games will make you insane. Its a fact that computer games to a degree stimulate your brain and mental health. But socially awkward dorks wouldve been socially awkward dorks without a computer, they'd just collect stamps or some other nerdshit ;)
 

ALuckyChance

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derelix said:
ALuckyChance said:
derelix said:
I was referring to your other statement, where I said "Common sense =/= fact"
I believe my statement still addressed that.

I stand by what I said before, it isn't natural. If you want to play the "scientific evidence" game then maybe you can show me a study that proves that humans were meant to stare at bright lights and be still for most of their lives.
See, now you're just resorting to absurdism. Of course we weren't meant to, because we weren't meant to do anything other than survive, if even that (as saying we're 'meant to' implies a higher power, which I don't agree with). It was our own intelligence that had us realize there's more to do - or at least more to reach for - than just to hunt for food and sleep.

Yes addiction is natural and so is obsession but that doesn't mean everything we obsess over is natural. We were meant to obsess over things that were important to our survival. Obsess over your plants, you need food. Obsess over the safety of your home. Obsess over your search for water. The feeling is natural but clearly our "natural" instincts have been hijacked by corporations that feel it's a good way to keep us motivated and consuming as much as possible.
Enjoyment is natural, and very much wanted. Video games, just like novels and movies, provide enjoyment. Thus, it makes sense for us to want it, and even to obsess over it.

And yes, "can" just like doing coke "can" be unhealthy. I won't say obsessing over bright lights in a box is always unhealthy because then you'll say that I'm claiming my opinion to be fact without evidence. There are probably people who obsess over pointless media while living a "productive" life for society, but the exception doesn't change the general rule. Obsess over pointless idiotic things, and your life will usually become pointless and depressing.
Well, I can't argue against something that's filled with speculation. As in: "can," "usually," etc.

You can say I'm crazy, but the fact is depression is so common now that we actually treat it as if it's a medical condition. Don't you think there could be a connection between our sudden obsession with electronics and the growing depression?
Well, I don't know anything about 'growing depression,' so I'll have to stay silent on that one.
I think this argument is over. If I use words like "can" or "usually" you claim it's because it has no merit, but if i don't you claim that I'm stating my opinion as fact.
Clearly your content with the world we live in, good for you. Personally I would prefer if every TV set and computer on the planet shorted out. Maybe then humans would be forced to think again.
Damn, I look at some stuff for five minutes before going to bed, and then you reply. Me and my stupid curiousity...

When you say 'can' or 'usually,' you are either speculating or saying something without evidence. When you don't say those words, you act like you're telling fact, when you have nothing to back it up other than common sense.

However, since I highly doubt any of us can pull out scientific studies to show each other, I have a suspicion neither of us will convince each other and that this entire debate was completely pointless.

I still believe you are making a generalization, but I guess it really doesn't matter anyway.
 

ALuckyChance

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Video games and fast food are unrelated.

Maybe I should have switched 'a generalization' with 'an innacurate generalization.'

Still though, can we move on?
 

blankedboy

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It can, but it doesn't always.

Back when I was playing nothing but TF2 for a couple months, I became incredibly observant from checking for Sentries around corners too much. Sort of a mini-Tetris Effect. But in a good way, I noticed a fuckton of things for a few weeks after that.

Now I mostly play TES games... not so good.
 

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Extraintrovert said:
Speaking as someone who is a fucking pathetic mess and would be with or without video games, I will make the claim that what you are describing is a symptom, not a cause. People with those problems isolate themselves any way they can, be it fiction created by others or created themselves, and while it certainly doesn't help video games are merely a convenient path to take for those that feel they would rather avoid reality. The problems were already there; video games are simply an outlet.
tottally agree. you would turn out similar without games, you would just be reading a ton or making models with your time
 

Callate

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Games are generally designed to have an ongoing system of frequent rewards to keep the player at their appointed task (the game.) I won't deny that that can be addictive, but I think we need to put that into perspective. There are any number of activities that can be addictive and consuming, and there's hardly anything that one should focus on to the point that one's life gets out of balance. Jogging is healthy, but if you jog to excess you can do permanent damage to joints and ligaments. Reading is terrific, but if all you have to talk about with other people is the Twilight series, you're only going to be popular with other Stephanie Meyer fans, and only to a certain narrow limit. Sex can be both physically and emotionally amazing, but putting the act before the relationships it rises out of can do all manner of harm.

It may well be that games are bad for you. And I don't say that depreciatingly; I don't mean, "Well, you just can't handle it, weakling. Leave it to those that can." Some people really shouldn't do certain things, and some people have personalities that incline towards addiction or self-destructive behavior, or at least there are situations that can trigger such tendencies in them. Maybe most people, for the latter.

If you can play games for an hour or two a day and feel good about it, feel it's a break from other responsibilities, that it provides you with satisfaction and a sense of achievement, I don't really think that there's anything wrong with that. Heck, even if you play with friends from late at night to early in the morning on the weekend, I don't think that's a bad thing. But if you really think that gaming is shutting out other aspects of your life that you wish were better- socializing, exercising, learning about things that interest you- then the responsible thing to do for your own well-being is to stop. And if you can't participate in this particular hobby without doing yourself harm, you should just stop, and not look back. It's tempting to try to cut back, and believe that a sufficiently "strong" person ought to be able to do so, but sometimes real strength means turning away from something that's bad for you all together.

For the record, I'm an introvert, and I strongly suspect I would be whether I played computer games or not. If it hadn't been computer games, it would have been books, or art, or some similarly solitary and esoteric activity. It happens that I like computers a lot. I sometimes wish that some of the time I've used on games had been used elsewhere, it's true, but it's through computer games that I've learned about computer hardware, programming, video editing, music composition, 3-D rendering, and the Internet. Because I grew up comfortable with computers, I've had the skills with which I earn my living. Because I was comfortable with e-mail, I was able to remain in contact with the woman who became my wife. I try to live a life in balance with regard to how I spend my time. But I don't regret how I spent the time that got me here. I'm very fortunate to be here.
 

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derelix said:
First the pain thing, I have walked, hit and smacked into more things then most people every time I have tried to play a sport the ball whacks me in the face when the best player hits it so I don't think I has to do with building up a tolerance, I am very sensitive in general. I didn't rely on games I just started playing them and then I found that people that wouldn't just think of me as the strange kid (I am quite strange I want to greed people with a hand-shack or meet my friends with a hug, showing emotion *slap my self*) where playing video games and talking about them. My current best friend when I meet him we talked for a week with out knowing we where both gamers. My previous best friend wasn't a gamer he still played the occasional game but the only game he really spend lots of time on was time splitters after 1 1/2 years we started playing two games together gears of war and resistance (which we played up to halve way through on superhuman difficulty before I moved). Friends stopped me from being pessimistic due to bullying and bad luck but I would have not got those friends if it wasn't for the fact I played games if I would have been pessimistic I would have got over it but I wouldn't have been with all the great friends I have been with. Now a days gaming helps me with keeping in contact with friends because I like staying at home and I don't want to go into town every second day. make of this what you will.
jhaughton said:
I've got a question can you get bored of drugs if you are addicted to something you can't just get bored of it. A good game is as addicting as a good book or a good movie or a good tv show some times you just have to finish them the problem is that movies are much shorter tv shows are shown weekly so it's only books and games why people stay up till 4 am I normally stop playing around 8pm or 10pm if I just have to finish it or it is the holidays.
Famine0 said:
thought you might be interested in the details of how games helped me so just read the top part of this post.
 

KarumaK

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derelix said:
Terminate421 said:
No, Im not going out with the nearest assault rifle possible and shooting up a mall because "Call of duty: Modern Warfare 2" inspired me to do so.
And another spoiled, overly sensitive kid who thinks the evil government is trying to take is video games.
Your lucky OP, you only got a few of these. When I saw the title I expected a sea of angry kid gamers calling you jack thompson.
If you live in America they're kinda thinking on that right now you know?