Is Halo really in the Killzone?

[beddo]

This is a good piece, a decent length with fairly well argued points.

You really need to work on your spelling, grammar and punctuation, a few examples:

I was utterly confused, because 98% of the time the a sequel is always RELETIVLYrelatively worse than the original (WHAT???) (with acceptationsexceptions like COD4).

Anyway, on to the rest of your piece:

Character variations are much different... While one aspect of killzone was to have a large variation of troops, from what I see they are all fairly similar except for a few "heavy" enemies, or drone-like opponents. This is a farcry from the many vastly different opponents in halo, with each having many different variations on them. So while Killzone opts for realism, it strays further away from Halo.

Lots of those shots in the Halo list are repeats. Halo uses different textures and small armour add-ons to create the illusion of more units. Not to say it isn't effective, just that there's not as much variation as might be perceived.

Killzone 2 is a bit of a let down here. It has a version of each character for both sides. That's not very imaginative, it will make the game feel more generic. Direct X10 techniques would be useful as they can easily create varied instances of enemies on the fly on the GPU.

Story-wise they are incredibly different. One deals with odd looking aliens attacking earth with the intentions to destroy it, the other is sci-fi look at WW2 where the Germans are replaced with an outside evasion force, that can't breath air.

That's not really Halo's story at all, just a small part of Halo 2 and 3.

Referring to Killzone 2, it is extremely cliche to substitute the Nazis for some opposing force. It's just too simplistic and unimaginative. By having such a clear cut between good and evil I doubt the story will be very refreshing.

See any similarities? I do. I propose that Killzone isn't going to kill halo, but Call of Duty.

I sincerely doubt that Killzone 2 will 'kill' call of duty 4 in any way.

Firstly, its reach is inhibited by being a Playstation 3 exclusive. It will be difficult to get unbiased opinions about the game because the PS3 community STILL believes it is necessary to overrate games to justify the platform.

Secondly, it doesn't seem do be doing anything new and exciting. Yes, it has very impressive graphics for a console. The effects used are very impressive but if they are restricted to gaudy and boring levels the aesthetics wont justify the graphical techniques employed.

Lastly, Call of Duty 4 is a fantastic game. It runs at a solid 60 fps. It's graphical techniques are certainly weaker than those employed in other current gen games but it uses them to such good effect that the game appears better.

One thing I think most people feltl in COD4 was that they were in a battle. It wasn't them only versus the enemy, the set pieces made it feel more like an actual battlefield.


I can say that Killzone 2 will NOT be better than Call of Duty 4, FACT. You can call me on that if I'm wrong.

 

[Da_Schwartz]

I dunno. it's rare i fall for hype myself but im really looking forward to killzone.

 

[Siris]

I actually enjoyed KillZone and Liberation, so I can hope that the game would be better than Halo. Granted, being better than Halo 3 isn't very hard

 

[Snowalker]

While Killzone 2 may be a successful game, but to say that its a "Halo Killer" is irrelevant because they're on DIFFERENT PLATFORMS!

I thought that was the point... Ok, my friend has gone crazy over this, and I still don't know I mean the frist wasn't that great, but I apperantly like any FPS with with some sci-fi feel because I hated CoD4 and WaW but love Haze. Yes, Haze, kill me now oh game gods of only liking good games, kill me now.

 

[GuerrillaClock]

If Killzone turns out to be better than either CoD or Halo then I'll eat my hat. I know I'm not an advocate of originality if it costs the gameplay, but Killzone looks too generic and bland even for me. Even the name is stupid and generic.

Pretty much every FPS ever looks generic and isn't original in any way.

True to a point, but if they're executed in a satisfying manner and has a few decent hooks and mechanics as Halo and the old Turoks did then it doesn't matter so much, at least not in my opinion.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

While Killzone 2 may be a successful game, but to say that its a "Halo Killer" is irrelevant because they're on DIFFERENT PLATFORMS!

It's not really irrelevent. The PS has long been searching for that mythical shooter that has the same almost universal draw and appeal of halo and thus far they have failed. I have personally played both the original killzone and the PSP version and I enjoyed both. Killzone 2 might just be the game that finally forces my hand to get a PS3 because there would finally be enough PS3 exclusives I want to play to make it worth the cost of entry.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

Killzone 1 utterly failed at being a Halo killer, I doubt Killzone 2 will fare any better. It's a different style of shooter.

Halo is Ultra Glossy Space Opera Sci-Fi
Killzone is gritty and Militaristic Hard Sci-Fi

Still even in terms of gameplay, Killzone will be probably be closter to a Sci-fi Call of Duty than a gritty Halo.

 

[Rezfon]

To make a building you need to have good foundations. If you do not have good foundations then the building will fall...hard.

Halo 1 was a good foundations, more games were then built on this foundation and it became successful.

Killzone 1 is a bad foundation, building on a bad foundation can lead to future problems unless certain supports can be put in place.


If you put it like that, Killzone 2 will have to do alot to impress me other than flashy (grey and brown) design. If solid game mechanics are not in place then eventually it just becomes another annoying FPS like the first one to slog your way through. If it doesn't feel right to play then it most likely isn't fun. Halo was quite an easy game to pick up and play and have fun, the controls felt right and game mechanics were good. Killzone 1 was rather sluggish in movement and gave it the feeling you'd need to reserve some time if you wanted to play it.

As for the term Halo killer, I believe nobody on the xbox cares as not many people play it now compared to what it used to be. People have moved on to other games and you can't kill whats dead (mostly).

 

[Eldritch Warlord]

As for the term Halo killer, I believe nobody on the xbox cares as not many people play it now compared to what it used to be. People have moved on to other games and you can't kill whats dead (mostly).

What? Halo 3 and Halo 2 were the most played games on LIVE last year for their respective platforms.

Anyway, I'm not fond of the term [game]-killer. No game has ever caused the death of another. It's not like something good/popular suddenly stops being good/popular when something better/more popular comes out.

The half-life series is the actual best line of FPSs, this game looks generic and boring, like the halo sequels, the first halo was OK I guess.

That's a matter of opinion, I enjoy Halo more than Half-Life. As an explanation of your perception I offer this: Half-Life is the last champion of a dying breed of shooters (for lack of a better term "Doom-clones"). Modern shooters embrace a new style while Half-Life holds on to old ideals thus it is unique on the modern market, but only because it would be generic on the old market.

Not that that is a bad thing, Half-Life 2 is one of my favorite games (it definitely would go on my top ten list), I just observe that it is an old-fashioned shooter.

Killzone won't even make Halo feel bad, let alone kill it. Even if Killzone 2 is a perfect 10 it will never unseat halo as the top console FPS. Even Gears is just holding Halo's seat till it gets back. I'm not being a fanboy, just stating the facts.

You mean your opinion.

I believe he's talking about popularity, not necessarily quality.

 

[D_987]

Good graphics don't make a good game...looks to much like COD to be of intrest.

 

[JWAN]

that looks like a great game! Lets hope it PLAYS like one because Ive just been using my PS3 till now as a "large professional dust collector/blu-ray player"

 

[Senor Smoke21]

Upsetting its PS3 exclusive, I genuinely enjoyed the first one. The Halo killer thing is a bit irrelevant though due to different platforms.
=]

 

[shatnershaman]

Even if Ensemble manage to pull a miracle out of their collective arsehole and make a functional console RTS, the game is still going to be replacing the run and gun style of Halo that makes the bulk of its fans love it with a calm and methodical pace that requires actual thinking - be honest, how many of the fratboys will really stick around after that? With the name Halo stuck onto a game they really don't like, they drop the series. Thus, Halo is killed by Halo Wars.

Wow. Just wow. To quote Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_(Red_vs._Blue) from Red vs. Blue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_vs_Blue

What the fuck, that's like wrong in eight different ways.

 

[Dastardos]

Nice research. I had thought from the title this would be a fanboy thing but it wasn't and that was quite enjoyable to read.

 

[AceDiamond]

Thus, Halo is killed by Halo Wars.

By that logic Mario and Final Fantasy would already be dead with their huge pile of shitty/different spinoffs.

They aren't selling to a demographic that seems to shun thinking.

Neither is halo wars because the game is being sold to a wider audience than just frat boys.
Your point is invalid until you can come up with a reason why the general RTS fan won't buy it.

Because its a console RTS. I would have thought that was obvious.

I've bought Console RTS games

Try. Again.

 

[jebussaves88]

It's rare I read a post as interesting as yours anywhere, but this one was quite good. I too looked into Killzone 2, despite my grudge against Sony (for killing Sega FYI, but I still bought a PS2 recently). The game does look smooth and relatively interesting. But I never viewed it as a "Halo Killer", as they are a differnt style. Even if these two games were on the same platform, neither would be paryicularly worried about the other. It's almost like comparing Halo with Gears of War. Sure they're both popular, but they wouldn't have been any more successful if the other didn't exist.

 

[DigitalSushi]

Nice research. I had thought from the title this would be a fanboy thing but it wasn't and that was quite enjoyable to read.

the title was modified by the modify0rz, ya dig?.

I'm not a fanboy of Sony or Killzone, but i've actually got a big pile of money next to me that says "PS3 and KillZone money", I'm really hoping it'll not suck, i'll still buy it though, I bought Timeshift even though it got trashed and I enjoyed it greatly.

by the way, HOLY FUCKING SHIT, your avatar is the shiznits, where did you get it? I must know.