Is it stealing to pirate a game you own physicaly but cant install

[AmbitiousWorm]

anc[is]

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

If you could could copy/paste a truck I might agree with you.

So because its easy to make copies its okay?

 

[bushwhacker2k]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

Well, we are having an argument of opinion but IS it 100% illegal? Please don't just respond and say yes without having any actual knowledge of the specific laws regarding such an activity, I'm genuinely curious.

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

If it was, GOG would not maintain an online 'library' of your purchases so you can re-install games as necessary. QED

If I was smarter I would have said this.

 

[beardednoise]

afaik, i believe it is legal to make one backup copy of your software as long as you have a legitimate retail copy.

 

[Rabid Toilet]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

 

[Mcface]

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

no, its a digital product.
there is no stock.

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

I don't know if it is actually illegal and I bet you couldn't find a law that says strictly one way or another. However it is illegal to download illegally made copies so therefore....you guess the rest.

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

no, its a digital product.
there is no stock.

the disk it comes on isn't stock?

 

[Eri]

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

no, its a digital product.
there is no stock.

the disk it comes on isn't stock?

The disc is, for all intents and purposes, worthless. It is the data that is worth something. If he made his own copy, it would look the same as the pirated copy. Because it is the same. Therefore, it is no pirating, nor illegal.

 

[Rabid Toilet]

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

no, its a digital product.
there is no stock.

the disk it comes on isn't stock?

He bought the disk, which came with the data that contains the game. That data is easily copiable, and costs no money to do so.

He paid for the "stock", and is allowed to have additional copies of the data it contained.

 

[Warlordnipple]

Wow thought there would be way more responses to this but actually legally it is not stealing. Intellectual property rights give the purchaser i.e. you the right to use the property in any way you see fit within the realm of personal use that does not involve any monetary transaction. (Non-profit type of stuff is kind of gray but it does not really matter for video games.) Video games are afforded the same kind of protection as art so you can use them as if they were art. Video consoles are actually inventions and therefore similar to a vehicle when it comes to theft (like if one broke you could not just build one yourself as you could with a video game). Once someone sells their artistic property you can really do whatever you want with it as long as no money is involved. People may try to argue that giving games to friends or making copies for friends is wrong or illegal but it actually isn't pirating things online is illegal because those sites make money off of selling information about you.

Just to sum up really fast video consoles have patent rights (20 years no one else can reproduce or make replacement parts except that person or company who patents and patent rights can be bought and sold.)
Video Games have intellectual property rights (99 years no one else can sell for profit or use any part of it in the creation of their own intellectual property without permission form the owner of the property and can not be bought or sold. Stays with creators family or company.)

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

 

[Eri]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained. That's like saying if you have a real doctors prescription for weed but you get the weed from a drug dealer instead of a licensed store, the weed is illegal all of a sudden. It's only illegal for that drug dealer, not that guy.

 

[Rabid Toilet]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained. That's like saying if you have a real doctors prescription for weed but you get the weed from a drug dealer instead of a licensed store, the weed is illegal all of a sudden. It's only illegal for that drug dealer, not that guy.

Basically this. It's illegal for the guy who uploaded the game online. The person who bought the product (the OP) basically "owns" the data of the game, and is allowed to have a copy of that data. Even if he downloaded it online, he's allowed to because he owns that data.

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained. That's like saying if you have a real doctors prescription for weed but you get the weed from a drug dealer instead of a licensed store, the weed is illegal all of a sudden. It's only illegal for that drug dealer, not that guy.

Its not that simple. The laws around legal drug prescriptions are so complected that you can't use that example. Go look them up before you make this argument.

 

[Eri]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained. That's like saying if you have a real doctors prescription for weed but you get the weed from a drug dealer instead of a licensed store, the weed is illegal all of a sudden. It's only illegal for that drug dealer, not that guy.

Its not that simple. The laws around legal drug prescriptions are so complected that you can't use that example. Go look them up before you make this argument.

You didn't refute what I just said, you just ignored it. Make an argument next time, and don't do this.

 

[kwagamon]

To be honest, I don't care if it's legal. You bought their game, they got the money owed to them for their efforts, and you aren't distributing it to others who haven't bought the game, nor making money by copying it in any way. It is, in my opinion, completely morally acceptable to "pirate" a game you've payed for. If you can present a physical copy of it or can prove you payed for it digitally, no one loses by pirating. If you haven't bought the game already, then it's at best morally questionable, at worst stealing although I believe in extenuating circumstances like complete and total lack of spare funds for games. (And yes, it's completely possible to both own consoles/computers and not have the money for games for them. I'm living proof.)

 

[Bobbity]

I think someone made the point a while ago that when you buy a game you're actually being sold a license, that in that sense it's fine to get a copy of a game you already own.
The only reason I'm against piracy is that you're not paying the developers for their work or funding new projects. If, however, you've already bought the game, then I see nothing wrong with obtaining a second copy.
From a strictly legal point of view, then you're in the wrong. From a moral perspective, go right ahead.

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained. That's like saying if you have a real doctors prescription for weed but you get the weed from a drug dealer instead of a licensed store, the weed is illegal all of a sudden. It's only illegal for that drug dealer, not that guy.

Basically this. It's illegal for the guy who uploaded the game online. The person who bought the product (the OP) basically "owns" the data of the game, and is allowed to have a copy of that data. Even if he downloaded it online, he's allowed to because he owns that data.

Sorry I'll go look up how to do that "snip" thing right now.

I already said this but he is using illegally make product therefore its illegal. Yes it is true that it is illegal because it is illegal but that's how the law works.

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained. That's like saying if you have a real doctors prescription for weed but you get the weed from a drug dealer instead of a licensed store, the weed is illegal all of a sudden. It's only illegal for that drug dealer, not that guy.

Its not that simple. The laws around legal drug prescriptions are so complected that you can't use that example. Go look them up before you make this argument.

You didn't refute what I just said, you just ignored it. Make an argument next time, and don't do this.

Because what you said isn't true! I have a prescription for medical pot and I have to get it from a specific place/person and can only have a certain amount of it. If I get it from a different source its illegal. (this is an example my dad was a drug prosecutor)