Is it stealing to pirate a game you own physicaly but cant install

[Fr]anc[is]

You know what, I don't feel like having a debate. I say it's ok. You could bypass the shady side of the internet by copying the image file or just installing it if you could, but the end result is the same. go for it

 

[Rabid Toilet]

Sorry I'll go look up how to do that "snip" thing right now.

I already said this but he is using illegally make product therefore its illegal. Yes it is true that it is illegal because it is illegal but that's how the law works.

You just delete the text in the [ quote ]*text*[ /quote ] part.

And I'm pretty sure it is actually considered legal to download a copy of a game you've paid for, regardless of the source. Don't know the specifics, though.

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

thanks and yes that is true

edit: that doesn't look right

 

[Eri]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained. That's like saying if you have a real doctors prescription for weed but you get the weed from a drug dealer instead of a licensed store, the weed is illegal all of a sudden. It's only illegal for that drug dealer, not that guy.

Basically this. It's illegal for the guy who uploaded the game online. The person who bought the product (the OP) basically "owns" the data of the game, and is allowed to have a copy of that data. Even if he downloaded it online, he's allowed to because he owns that data.

Sorry I'll go look up how to do that "snip" thing right now.

I already said this but he is using illegally make product therefore its illegal. Yes it is true that it is illegal because it is illegal but that's how the law works.

I've already told you why this is wrong-

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained.

 

[Mcface]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

when you purchase a "disk" you are really buying the rights to the data on it.
i now own a right to use this information, if i go out and download the same information from another place, it's still mine to do so.

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained. That's like saying if you have a real doctors prescription for weed but you get the weed from a drug dealer instead of a licensed store, the weed is illegal all of a sudden. It's only illegal for that drug dealer, not that guy.

Basically this. It's illegal for the guy who uploaded the game online. The person who bought the product (the OP) basically "owns" the data of the game, and is allowed to have a copy of that data. Even if he downloaded it online, he's allowed to because he owns that data.

Sorry I'll go look up how to do that "snip" thing right now.

I already said this but he is using illegally make product therefore its illegal. Yes it is true that it is illegal because it is illegal but that's how the law works.

I've already told you why this is wrong-

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained.

But only legally own a single copy and, maybe, the rights to make copies for personal use. You don't own the rights to get copies of it through illegal methods.

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

when you purchase a "disk" you are really buying the rights to the data on it.
i now own a right to use this information, if i go out and download the same information from another place, it's still mine to do so.

I don't know enough about this to argue that. Do you know somewhere I can look it up?

 

[Jaeriko]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained. That's like saying if you have a real doctors prescription for weed but you get the weed from a drug dealer instead of a licensed store, the weed is illegal all of a sudden. It's only illegal for that drug dealer, not that guy.

Its not that simple. The laws around legal drug prescriptions are so complected that you can't use that example. Go look them up before you make this argument.

Frankly, any argument that uses something physical is flawed in this case. Pirating has no physical aspect, it is all done digitally.

As for OT, I believe that it fine to pirate a game you already own. I did so with Oblivion when my disk was lost during a move and I had no moral qualms about it, seeing as the company already got their money from me buying the original copy.

when you purchase a "disk" you are really buying the rights to the data on it.
i now own a right to use this information, if i go out and download the same information from another place, it's still mine to do so.

Also, I'm fairly sure that this is no longer true. I believe this was changed to make it easier to call people out on pirating. If I remember correctly, the phrasing went somewhere along the lines of "renting" the rights to it or something, instead of ownership transferring completely.

I could be wrong though.

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained. That's like saying if you have a real doctors prescription for weed but you get the weed from a drug dealer instead of a licensed store, the weed is illegal all of a sudden. It's only illegal for that drug dealer, not that guy.

Its not that simple. The laws around legal drug prescriptions are so complected that you can't use that example. Go look them up before you make this argument.

Frankly, any argument that uses something physical is flawed in this case. Pirating has no physical aspect, it is all done digitally.

As for OT, I believe that it fine to pirate a game you already own. I did so with Oblivion when my disk was lost during a move and I had no moral qualms about it, seeing as the company already got their money from me buying the original copy.

I have no quams about it either. I have lots of stuff downloaded form the interwebs in one form or another.

But just because it is done digitally doesn't make it legal. It is such a grey area that you can argue both sides. If you are going to get copies off the internet just be aware that the company that made it would, most likely, consider what you are doing illegal. You are getting ANOTHER (key word here people) copy. without them getting royalties. They only want your money!

 

[-Samurai-]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained. That's like saying if you have a real doctors prescription for weed but you get the weed from a drug dealer instead of a licensed store, the weed is illegal all of a sudden. It's only illegal for that drug dealer, not that guy.

Its not that simple. The laws around legal drug prescriptions are so complected that you can't use that example. Go look them up before you make this argument.

Frankly, any argument that uses something physical is flawed in this case. Pirating has no physical aspect, it is all done digitally.

As for OT, I believe that it fine to pirate a game you already own. I did so with Oblivion when my disk was lost during a move and I had no moral qualms about it, seeing as the company already got their money from me buying the original copy.

I have no quams about it either. I have lots of stuff downloaded form the interwebs in one form or another.

But just because it is done digitally doesn't make it legal. It is such a grey area that you can argue both sides. If you are going to get copies off the internet just be aware that the company that made it would, most likely, consider what you are doing illegal. You are getting ANOTHER (key word here people) copy. without them getting royalties. They only want your money!

You're not getting another copy. You're not pulling one off the shelf for free. You're not depriving a store or another person of their copy. You're doing exactly the same as installing it from the disk.

Is it wrong to install it from the disk, seeing as how you'd then have one copy on the disk, and one on your hard-drive?

 

[zehydra]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained. That's like saying if you have a real doctors prescription for weed but you get the weed from a drug dealer instead of a licensed store, the weed is illegal all of a sudden. It's only illegal for that drug dealer, not that guy.

Actually, in terms of how the law works (at least in the United States), it IS illegal all of a sudden to buy weed from an illegal dealer.

 

[killcheese]

If you own a copy already then you already gave the dev your money. I think you are in the clear personally, i should also note that i have done this with age of empires 2 and roller coaster tycoon on my netbook.

 

[Rabid Toilet]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained. That's like saying if you have a real doctors prescription for weed but you get the weed from a drug dealer instead of a licensed store, the weed is illegal all of a sudden. It's only illegal for that drug dealer, not that guy.

Its not that simple. The laws around legal drug prescriptions are so complected that you can't use that example. Go look them up before you make this argument.

Frankly, any argument that uses something physical is flawed in this case. Pirating has no physical aspect, it is all done digitally.

As for OT, I believe that it fine to pirate a game you already own. I did so with Oblivion when my disk was lost during a move and I had no moral qualms about it, seeing as the company already got their money from me buying the original copy.

I have no quams about it either. I have lots of stuff downloaded form the interwebs in one form or another.

But just because it is done digitally doesn't make it legal. It is such a grey area that you can argue both sides. If you are going to get copies off the internet just be aware that the company that made it would, most likely, consider what you are doing illegal. You are getting ANOTHER (key word here people) copy. without them getting royalties. They only want your money!

You're also getting another copy without them getting royalties if you make a backup of the game, which is perfectly legal.

 

[Watchmacallit]

I'm pretty sure the legal policy states you can have one copy for personal use in case the original is damaged. But don't take my word for it.

 

[Rabid Toilet]

I'm pretty sure the legal policy states you can have one copy for personal use in case the original is damaged. But don't take my word for it.

That is indeed the legal policy. The question here is whether it is legal or not to get that copy online, rather than making it yourself.

 

[duchaked]

I would say no...
cuz if you went and stole another copy, you are physically denying a sale
installing a pirated copy if the physical copy you bought doesn't install then...well that's different

but hey it's one of those discussions where people take two sides half half always (gray area?) so I'm just gonna leave it at that heh

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained. That's like saying if you have a real doctors prescription for weed but you get the weed from a drug dealer instead of a licensed store, the weed is illegal all of a sudden. It's only illegal for that drug dealer, not that guy.

Its not that simple. The laws around legal drug prescriptions are so complected that you can't use that example. Go look them up before you make this argument.

Frankly, any argument that uses something physical is flawed in this case. Pirating has no physical aspect, it is all done digitally.

As for OT, I believe that it fine to pirate a game you already own. I did so with Oblivion when my disk was lost during a move and I had no moral qualms about it, seeing as the company already got their money from me buying the original copy.

I have no quams about it either. I have lots of stuff downloaded form the interwebs in one form or another.

But just because it is done digitally doesn't make it legal. It is such a grey area that you can argue both sides. If you are going to get copies off the internet just be aware that the company that made it would, most likely, consider what you are doing illegal. You are getting ANOTHER (key word here people) copy. without them getting royalties. They only want your money!

You're also getting another copy without them getting royalties if you make a backup of the game, which is perfectly legal.

Yes and they would stipulate that it is okay to do that as long as you don't give/lend/sell that copy to other people. They aren't the same thing. Property is property whether it is digital or not.

 

[RandV80]

No it isn't stealing, because 'Piracy' of software isn't stealing but rather copyright infringement. And I'd imagine under the letter of the law you are performing copyright infringement... depending on where you live. Requirement of a CD is basically a digital lock, so it depends on if you're allowed to break digital locks or not. But even then, the fact that you downloaded a new pirated copy should still put you under copyright infringement.

Personally though I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with what you did. It is ethical to pay for our video games because a lot of people put a lot of time into them and deserve compensation, and it is smart because you're investing in them to continue to create newer and hopefully better games. But that still doesn't change how shitty our current copyright laws are.

 

[Rabid Toilet]

Yes and they would stipulate that it is okay to do that as long as you don't give/lend/sell that copy to other people. They aren't the same thing. Property is property whether it is digital or not.

But you aren't giving/lending/selling that copy to other people. You are using it for personal use, which is what the "backup" you're allowed to make is supposed to be used for.

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

I don't believe so, I know a lot of devs would argue with me (since they'd get more money if you broke it and had to buy another) but I think most of the money that is paid for a game is going towards the intellectual property, rather than a mass produced disc or cartridge so IMO if you have bought a game I believe it should be ok.

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

As I said, I believe most of the money is towards intellectual property, rather than individual parts made to make it, which would almost undoubtedly be more expensive in a car.

it doesn't matter what the money is for its still using an illegal copy

You're allowed to make backups of games you own.

He owns the game, since he paid for a legal copy. Now he can't use the copy he paid for, so he gets a "backup" from somewhere else.

He gets to play the game he paid for, the company that makes it still gets his money, how is that wrong?

because he/she didn't make the copy someone else did it and by releasing it out to the public they have done something illegal. By downloading it (no one cares that you already own it) you are illegally getting the product.

You can't illegaly obtain something you've already legally obtained. That's like saying if you have a real doctors prescription for weed but you get the weed from a drug dealer instead of a licensed store, the weed is illegal all of a sudden. It's only illegal for that drug dealer, not that guy.

Its not that simple. The laws around legal drug prescriptions are so complected that you can't use that example. Go look them up before you make this argument.

Frankly, any argument that uses something physical is flawed in this case. Pirating has no physical aspect, it is all done digitally.

As for OT, I believe that it fine to pirate a game you already own. I did so with Oblivion when my disk was lost during a move and I had no moral qualms about it, seeing as the company already got their money from me buying the original copy.

I have no quams about it either. I have lots of stuff downloaded form the interwebs in one form or another.

But just because it is done digitally doesn't make it legal. It is such a grey area that you can argue both sides. If you are going to get copies off the internet just be aware that the company that made it would, most likely, consider what you are doing illegal. You are getting ANOTHER (key word here people) copy. without them getting royalties. They only want your money!

You're not getting another copy. You're not pulling one off the shelf for free. You're not depriving a store or another person of their copy. You're doing exactly the same as installing it from the disk.

Is it wrong to install it from the disk, seeing as how you'd then have one copy on the disk, and one on your hard-drive?

But you are getting another copy. You have one on your disk and one that you downloaded that was made from someone else disk. That is 2 copies. there for you should have paid for 2 if you didn't you stole one. not from the person who made the copy but from the company who owns the game and the rights to it.