Is it stealing to pirate a game you own physicaly but cant install

[AmbitiousWorm]

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Really? That is really interesting. What about the downloading of movies?

Also you guys make great chocolate.

We're not Belgium guv (nor are we germany, we are in between england and germany, above Belgium)

Well basically downloading is 'legal'-ish. The uploading is named to be strictly forbidden.
Though lately, this "Brein" foundation (fighting copyright things) got their poitn through in court (after a couple of tenfold tries) that software such as news & usergroups are just as guilty to supplying. Wich is kinda weird, as the law states that a product can not be held responsible for the cause it is used for (just like you can't sue a knife company for making murder weapons.)

Makes sense for the most part.

If you say things like guv I would guess you were from 19th century England. And while we over here in North America do mostly think of Belgium chocolate,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_process_chocolate
Jeez telling you about your own history. Kids these days. I only knew about that because I used to hangout with some chefs.

 

[moretimethansense]

Legally - wrong
Moraly - argueable

I say go for it, copyright law is fucked anyway if you ask me.

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

It's legal. You bought the game. You can have as many copies as you want, created the way you want as long as you keep them for your personal use and you dont change the content of the game.

Is this a fact or opinion? I'm actually curious.

 

[DarthFennec]

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

That's a ridiculous analogy. Software's different than trucks. You buy trucks because of the cost of the parts and such. You don't buy software, you buy the rights to use software. It's perfectly legal to make backup copies of software you already own. What's the difference between making a copy of a game you bought and downloading a copy of a game you bought?

The reason it's different for trucks is because a truck is expensive to make a physical copy of. Games are not expensive to make physical copies of, they cost a few cents if you want to burn them to a disk, or if you download it it doesn't cost a thing. When you buy a game, what you're actually paying for is the rights to use the game, which is the intellectual property, so you're paying for the time and energy spent to create the game. But if you already bought the rights to use the game, and one of those rights is to make backup copies (which it is), then why wouldn't you be allowed to download a copy?

 

[Vitor Goncalves]

It's legal. You bought the game. You can have as many copies as you want, created the way you want as long as you keep them for your personal use and you dont change the content of the game.

Is this a fact or opinion? I'm actually curious.

Its a fact, read my other post pls.

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

That's a ridiculous analogy. Software's different than trucks. You buy trucks because of the cost of the parts and such. You don't buy software, you buy the rights to use software. It's perfectly legal to make backup copies of software you already own. What's the difference between making a copy of a game you bought and downloading a copy of a game you bought?

The reason it's different for trucks is because a truck is expensive to make a physical copy of. Games are not expensive to make physical copies of, they cost a few cents if you want to burn them to a disk, or if you download it it doesn't cost a thing. When you buy a game, what you're actually paying for is the rights to use the game, which is the intellectual property, so you're paying for the time and energy spent to create the game. But if you already bought the rights to use the game, and one of those rights is to make backup copies (which it is), then why wouldn't you be allowed to download a copy?

Its easy to copy games so that makes it okay?

I don't really understand/believe that you buy rights to use the software as a posed to a copy of it. But I haven't looked into it or am curious about it so meh.

If you have to download a copy instead of a game then you are in a position of needing a new version because your other one doesn't work. If you couldn't download it for free you would have to buy it. Companies want you to buy games so they try to stomp out ways to get it for free. By making the uploading and downloading of games illegal the will get more people to by them instead of downloading them. No one cares if you already bought it.

Is it because its 2am that I feel like I'm saying the same thing again or is it because this is a good example of why you don't jump into a discussion 5 pages in? If I'm didn't say this earlier than sorry, I'm tired and its 2 am and I feel like I said this already.

 

[tman_au]

Recently my gaming computer broke down so I'm forced to use a netbook my mom lent me now what I am wondering is if it is considered stealing if I own the game example Gothic 1 but because the netbook lacks a disc drive I cant install and play it like normal so is it bad to get a online copy for a game I legitimately own?

Short answer if your own a legit version you are entitled to have a copy/backup, as long as you keep the original and don't distribute the copy.
TIP: Copy content of CD/DVD to a flash drive plug into the laptop and install off the flash drive.

 

[DarthFennec]

As far as I know, by owning the game you're allowed to have backups, as long as you don't spread the content of said copy it's okay.

Really? That is really interesting. What about the downloading of movies?

Sure, why not? If I bought a movie and my DVD player broke down, why the fuck should I buy it again on ... PSP or something? Nah I'll download it thank you very much, why should movies be any different than games in this respect?

 

[Kair]

I would like to enlighten you with an image.

 

[teebeeohh]

it's legal to download the game if you own but illegal to upload it(at least where i live) so if you use torrent you are screwed

 

[Bloodysoldier]

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

he didnt remove anyone elses ability to use the game and he paid for it. so maybe you should try not trolling for a few minutes. i know it hurts your brain but give it a try.

Calm down, hes not a troll.

What is he/she if not a troll? After reading the thread, I just can not see how he/she does not understand when mostly everyone has said it to him/her very clearly. Therefore he/she is as blind a mule with one eye and refuses to see what has been laid out in front; or is a troll from the land of fail/someone trying to argue for arguments sake.

Something tells me that he/she will respond to my post, it will be irrelevant to me for this first half was directed at Phyroxis.

Now for the OP!
I bought star wars knights of the old republic 2 for the PC some odd months back, and I installed it as soon as I got it. The funny thing was I did not use the CD to install, I used STEAM. So it is okay for you to Download the data OP. Because if it was illegal, then STEAM would have been gone long ago.

I'm a bit lazy at the moment but someone should give the STEAM or GOG example to this threads newly founded troll in a powerpoint presentation. Make sure to have a lot of bullets, and make sure to bold the key things. It might help the cause.

Off to bed, says I.

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

It's legal. You bought the game. You can have as many copies as you want, created the way you want as long as you keep them for your personal use and you dont change the content of the game.

Is this a fact or opinion? I'm actually curious.

Its a fact, read my other post pls.

Oops,I see now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEMjeYPfqSg

 

[GRYPHOM]

Yes and they would stipulate that it is okay to do that as long as you don't give/lend/sell that copy to other people. They aren't the same thing. Property is property whether it is digital or not.

Good lord, this guy.. This guy.

 

[Volkov]

Morally it's perfectly fine. Legality and morality are completely unrelated.

Legally, it's one of the many, many cases that every lawyer and lawmaker pretend absolutely do not exist, in which the law is inapplicable. In other words, it does not ambiguously state whether or not the several exceptions it explicitly provides apply here. Copyright law, being a product of the industry a lot more so than of qualified and reasonable law-crafting, has this issue a lot more often than other types of laws, but in general, it's very common for laws to not be fully applicable to situations where they, in theory, are fully applicable. So what to do? Well, you aren't going to get in trouble for doing so, that's for damn certain, so go ahead and install the game.

Also don't play Gothic, because that series disappointed me.

 

[DarthFennec]

Its easy to copy games so that makes it okay?

It's not because it's easy, it's because it doesn't cost any money.

I don't really understand/believe that you buy rights to use the software as a posed to a copy of it. But I haven't looked into it or am curious about it so meh.

Well I don't know where you live but that's what the law says over here in the States so ... yeah.

If you have to download a copy instead of a game then you are in a position of needing a new version because your other one doesn't work. If you couldn't download it for free you would have to buy it. Companies want you to buy games so they try to stomp out ways to get it for free. By making the uploading and downloading of games illegal the will get more people to by them instead of downloading them. No one cares if you already bought it.

Not really, it just promotes illegal piracy. If you remember, that's pretty much the stance EA took with Spore and that fucking SecuROM, and that's one of the top pirated games of its season. Just because the game companies promote needless overpurchasing doesn't mean that's what they'll get. And just because that's what they want doesn't mean they can be justified morally. Or legally, for that matter.

Is it because its 2am that I feel like I'm saying the same thing again or is it because this is a good example of why you don't jump into a discussion 5 pages in? If I'm didn't say this earlier than sorry, I'm tired and its 2 am and I feel like I said this already.

It's probably me jumping in. It's 5am over here ...

 

[ramboondiea]

of course its not, its basically what i do as my main computer now is my netbook, and id rather not have carry the portable drive everywhere with me (because they are delicate as all hell) so iv got a few games on here like fallout one and zak.

 

[AmbitiousWorm]

I bought a truck and it broke down so I stole another one from the dealer.

he didnt remove anyone elses ability to use the game and he paid for it. so maybe you should try not trolling for a few minutes. i know it hurts your brain but give it a try.

Calm down, hes not a troll.

What is he/she if not a troll? After reading the thread, I just can not see how he/she does not understand when mostly everyone has said it to him/her very clearly. Therefore he/she is as blind a mule with one eyes and refuses to see what has been laid out in front; or is a troll from the land of fail/someone trying to argue for arguments sake.

Something tells me that he/she will respond to my post, it will be irrelevant to me for this first half was directed at Phyroxis.

I am responding to this thread so that means.....Wow you're a psychic. Is your name Yuri?

If mostly everyone (ow) had laid out to me reasonably and clearly why it wasn't illegal why would I have argued through 5 pages? Oh, because I'm "as blind as a mule with one eyes"? (ow x 2 and if I have one eye then I'm not very blind now am I?) When it was laid out reasonably and clearly I ceased to argue and started asking for elaboration as I was curious about where said information could be found.

Isn't jumping into a thread and posting with the intent to antagonize trolling?

 

[DarthFennec]

I do something similar to this. I'm too cheap to buy a video capture card, so when I do Let's Plays of N64 games I get a ROM copy of the game that I can use with an emulator, and I record that with Fraps or something, even though I own all the games I do this with anyway. I don't think there's anything wrong with it, and I'm pretty damn sure it's legal. If I bought the game, I should be able to make a copy of it.

 

[MikhailGH]

If you own a hard copy, you are not doing anything wrong. End.

 

[Aeon_COR]

when you buy a computer game or program, you are not buying the code, what you are buying is a "license" that gives you the right to use that game or program on any device that you own. (the number of simultaneous installations varies but the standard is 3, e.g. if you bought graphic art program X or fun FPS Y, you could install it on your laptop, desktop, and backup desktop/server. There are of course exceptions the most notable one being steam.)

Once you own the license it doesn't matter where you get the code from, the original CD, a pirated or modified version, or even retyping the code into your computer from a printed out hard copy.