Is it that hard to find a virgin?

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Mad World

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World's a sick place. So many people don't seem to value morals. Too many people only care about sex. They don't know what true love is.

I'm not saying that a person shouldn't want to be with someone who has had sex, but this thread in general makes me think about how morally corrupt some people are.

Personally, I want a girl who is a virgin; I believe that sex should wait until after marriage. But if you truly love someone, I think that it's all right if they're not a virgin. Concentrate on the future; not the past. :)
 

emeraldrafael

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Probably not. Anal seems to be in a very small market (comparitively) of peoples' attempted sexual encounters.

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you never said what hole there.

Also I never smoke and rarely drank during highschool (special occasions like holiday wine).
 

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I think it's because you want all of those things that you'll have a hard time finding that person. You're being very specific so there's only going to be a handful of people you know who make the list. If you stick to it I'm sure you'll find them, just don't expect it to be easy.

As for me. I'm from Ontario, Canada. During high school I completed all of the above on your little checklist of wrong-doings. All in the same year too. Sixteen was just a year of firsts for me.

Before that however, I subscribed to the same criteria as you. My girlfriends were virgins who didn't drink or smoke or do drugs. They're out there.. Most are just embarrassed to admit it these days.
 

Nuke_em_05

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Teens in high school, and people of teenage mentality on the internet, exaggerate. There's a concept out there that everyone sleeps around, does drugs, and smokes; so everyone claims that they do.

Most of them don't.

I don't think your values are elitist. You believe that sex is a personal thing, or at least you respect it in some way, and you've had the self-discipline to save yourself, you're just looking for someone with the same attitude about sex. Quite frankly, that's healthy, you don't want to have sex with someone who doesn't have the same values about it as you do (true for all points-of-view on sex). I would say, though, that if you do find someone who is a good fit for you, and she isn't a virgin, it is something worth looking past, maybe they've changed their mind about it after experiencing it (it has that effect on a lot of people).

Same with smoking and drugs. I didn't see alcohol in your list, but drugs, which in the U.S. is specifically not tobacco or alcohol, but "illicit" drugs. That's not elitist, tobacco, alcohol, and other addictive substances can become big lifestyle factors, and you've decided that you don't want those in your life, it wouldn't be fair to anyone to compromise on that in a relationship. Now then, again, if we're talking never done those things, yes, good luck with that, everyone has tried different things at different points in their lives. If you mean that maybe they tried it, maybe they didn't, but decided not to make a habit of it, that's not an unreasonable criterion.

Finally, you are in high school, forget about all this crap for now. You aren't going to know who you are for another five to ten years at least, let alone be able to determine who someone else will be in that time, and especially not what you would actually want in such a person. Sex, drugs, relationships, just don't sweat it. Do what you feel comfortable with, and hang out with people you are comfortable with. More importantly, when you do start looking for an actual relationship like that, look for someone who is comfortable with themselves.

There will always be people with similar values to you, maybe not all of them (a few differences are what keep relationships going), the important part is that you actually take time to figure out what yours are, and which you really feel that you want to stick to. Maybe you'll have the same values you have now until the day you die, you'll find someone who fits.

Honestly, though: through high school and college, you got enough to deal with without throwing "romantic" relationships into it.

Me, I've only had sex with my wife, and her with me. Together 8 years, married 4 of those. Sex was something we explored together, and I appreciate the fact that it is special to us as a couple. Some people don't have that and also couldn't care less, more power to them. We don't smoke, we don't drink, and we don't do drugs. Neither of us really had an interest in those things, but we don't condemn anyone who does.

Also, never appeal to the internet for advice or moral guidance. ;-)
 

Death God

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khantron said:
Death God said:
khantron said:
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khantron said:
So why is it virginity
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walrusaurus said:
I think the biggest issue i have with the "must be virgins" crowd, is that they treat sex like its something dirty to be ashamed of. Which is particularly ironic since they believe its a gift from god. I've seen people totally abandoned by their friends just because they "fell into sin." It's hypocritical and cruel, and it disgusts me. One of many reasons i'm not a christian.
I don't think it is dirty and shameful. I think it should have some meaning to it. Almost everyone of my friends have had sex before and I don't mind in the least. My moral doesn't come from any church, it comes from the background of my entire family getting pregnant and having a child before 17. I am the only person in my whole family who is 18 and has not got somebody knocked up which is a major accomplishment for me.
So why is it virginity and not that she has a kid, where you draw the line?
Because once you lose it the first time, it is hard to never have it again. And once you start having sex a lot, it will eventually lead to a kid.
Not if you get an abortion. Problem solved.
Don't believe in abortion unless a woman is raped. Again, not a religious thing; personal belief.
It's a legitimate medical procedure that allows a woman to exert greater control over her own body. I don't think a woman should be forced to have a baby just because she consented to sex, especially since childbirth is fairly dangerous. But maybe I'm the crazy one.
Well, you have your ideals and I have mine. I'll get say, lets agree, to disagree on this one.
 

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Mad World said:
World's a sick place. People don't seem to value morals. Too many people only care about sex. They don't know what true love is.

I'm not saying that a person shouldn't want to be with someone who has had sex, but this thread in general makes me think about how morally corrupt some people are.
You address me? But on topic, what do you think morals are?
 

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It's not at all hard, just hang out at things like comic fairs, twilight screenings and physics departments at universities.
 

Cpu46

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Seeing as I can hardly stand to walk behind someone who is smoking, can not stand the taste of beer (Whisky tastes pretty damn good though), and have not used my genitalia for the 20 years I have been alive. Yes people like that exist and I'm pretty sure that there are many more people like me.

I personally don't care if a girl had 0 or 10 partners as long as she is disease free, will stay faithful throughout the relationship, and the past relationships aren't too messy. Smoking is bothersome. Drinking is fine as long as she is not completely drunk all the time.
 

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xXxJessicaxXx said:
So if you totally fell for someone and then found out they weren't a virgin you would break it off.

Seems kind of judgemental to me.
Yeah pretty much that. OP, I think you'll be pretty hard pressed to find someone in this day age willing to adopt the 'Straight Edge' lifestyle as it were.
 

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Because once you lose it the first time, it is hard to never have it again. And once you start having sex a lot, it will eventually lead to a kid.
Wait... what? I mean I would feel uncomfortable about being a woman who has a child to another man, but your train of logic is... what?

You're not after a virgin you're after someone responsible and faithful. You could meet a virgin and full well have glorious sex, only for her to turn around and cheat or not be a virgin at all. Surely virginity would fall behind the two afforementioned traits?
 

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in most modern, large population, busy location, type of cities, it's true.
Not to be mean or cruel, but your best bet would be to move to what is called the "Bible Belt".
I wish you luck, but I won't hold my breath.
 

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You'll have a hard time managing that; you're on nothing but loam in that area [footnote]Cookie for reference and all that.[/footnote]. Joking aside, I have to say I respect your goal. I mean, it's not something I share but I respect that you're willing to make a sacrifice in the name of something you consider more meaningful. A lot of people seem to be assuming that you're judging those who choose to have sex earlier or you think they'll be damned for all eternity or some nonsense, but hey, it's not like you're hurting anyone. You certainly don't seem to be organising lynch mobs over it.

I mean, this is the internet, we all see a lot of stuff far weirder than deciding to not have sex before marriage.
 

khantron

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Death God said:
khantron said:
Death God said:
khantron said:
Death God said:
khantron said:
So why is it virginity
Death God said:
walrusaurus said:
I think the biggest issue i have with the "must be virgins" crowd, is that they treat sex like its something dirty to be ashamed of. Which is particularly ironic since they believe its a gift from god. I've seen people totally abandoned by their friends just because they "fell into sin." It's hypocritical and cruel, and it disgusts me. One of many reasons i'm not a christian.
I don't think it is dirty and shameful. I think it should have some meaning to it. Almost everyone of my friends have had sex before and I don't mind in the least. My moral doesn't come from any church, it comes from the background of my entire family getting pregnant and having a child before 17. I am the only person in my whole family who is 18 and has not got somebody knocked up which is a major accomplishment for me.
So why is it virginity and not that she has a kid, where you draw the line?
Because once you lose it the first time, it is hard to never have it again. And once you start having sex a lot, it will eventually lead to a kid.
Not if you get an abortion. Problem solved.
Don't believe in abortion unless a woman is raped. Again, not a religious thing; personal belief.
It's a legitimate medical procedure that allows a woman to exert greater control over her own body. I don't think a woman should be forced to have a baby just because she consented to sex, especially since childbirth is fairly dangerous. But maybe I'm the crazy one.
Well, you have your ideals and I have mine. I'll get say, lets agree, to disagree on this one.
Are you sure you're not religious? Because you seem to have morals that are religious, though with a fairly postmodern attitude about them. It's a combination that makes me shudder.
 

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No, it's not hard, but why do you live by a fucking medieval moral code that states that virginity is the most important thing about a woman? There are so many other, better traits you could be using to find a partner...
 

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khantron said:
You address me? But on topic, what do you think morals are?
Did it say that I quoted you? I wasn't addressing anyone in particular.

Anyway, I think that far too many people idolize sex and money. So many people are concentrating on the wrong things. They put other, less important things before friends and family.

This isn't just about relationships (boyfriend and girlfriend); it's about a lot of other things, too.

Often, I just catch myself looking at our world, and I go, "Wow." Not a good "Wow," either.
 

Death God

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khantron said:
Death God said:
khantron said:
Death God said:
khantron said:
Death God said:
khantron said:
So why is it virginity
Death God said:
walrusaurus said:
I think the biggest issue i have with the "must be virgins" crowd, is that they treat sex like its something dirty to be ashamed of. Which is particularly ironic since they believe its a gift from god. I've seen people totally abandoned by their friends just because they "fell into sin." It's hypocritical and cruel, and it disgusts me. One of many reasons i'm not a christian.
I don't think it is dirty and shameful. I think it should have some meaning to it. Almost everyone of my friends have had sex before and I don't mind in the least. My moral doesn't come from any church, it comes from the background of my entire family getting pregnant and having a child before 17. I am the only person in my whole family who is 18 and has not got somebody knocked up which is a major accomplishment for me.
So why is it virginity and not that she has a kid, where you draw the line?
Because once you lose it the first time, it is hard to never have it again. And once you start having sex a lot, it will eventually lead to a kid.
Not if you get an abortion. Problem solved.
Don't believe in abortion unless a woman is raped. Again, not a religious thing; personal belief.
It's a legitimate medical procedure that allows a woman to exert greater control over her own body. I don't think a woman should be forced to have a baby just because she consented to sex, especially since childbirth is fairly dangerous. But maybe I'm the crazy one.
Well, you have your ideals and I have mine. I'll get say, lets agree, to disagree on this one.
Are you sure you're not religious? Because you seem to have morals that are religious, though with a fairly postmodern attitude about them. It's a combination that makes me shudder.
I believe in God, yes. But that is about it. If that makes it that my views are all base on religion, so be it.
 

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Azure-Supernova said:
Death God said:
Because once you lose it the first time, it is hard to never have it again. And once you start having sex a lot, it will eventually lead to a kid.
Wait... what? I mean I would feel uncomfortable about being a woman who has a child to another man, but your train of logic is... what?

You're not after a virgin you're after someone responsible and faithful. You could meet a virgin and full well have glorious sex, only for her to turn around and cheat or not be a virgin at all. Surely virginity would fall behind the two afforementioned traits?
Yeah I didn't understand it either. How does me being say, a skydive virgin, mean I have anything extra? Is he talking about the hymen or something?
 

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I know this won't come out the wrong way, but I think your standards are a little high friend.

I mean, let's say you've found the perfect girl. She's beautiful, smart, deep, passionate, and you can't get enough of her. Let's say she's never been with anyone else, and has never done drugs. However, she enjoys the drink every now and then. Are you really saying that there's no chance?

Yes, in this day and age you're going to have a hard time with that. It's not impossible, but I think you come across as too much of a snobby obsessive prude. Personally I don't drink and only tried drugs twice before just saying "this isn't my thing" and going off. If I find a girl who likes those things then great! It wouldn't stop me from pursuing any sort of relationship as long as it didn't adversely affect us or her.

And this is kinda skating by the fact that those are normal adolescent things to do. I mean if that's your moral compass live by it dude, I'm in no position to tell you how to live your life. But now's the time to experience that stuff, to go off one weekend and get completely messed AND regret it. Broaden your horizons, experience something you know you're going to hate. You'll at least become a better well-rounded person along the way, and perhaps see that these substances aren't the worst thing in the world.

Alright I'm heading off my soapbox now, just wanted to get that out there.