is lollipop chainsaw bastardizing our industry?

[Something Amyss]

as you may know, suda51 made a game called lollipop chainsaw. it involves a skimpily dressed teen girl killing zombies iwith a chainsaw. she looks pretty much what a drugged up hooker that played basketball would look like. her legs are so long,shes probably taller than 7 ft., and here mini skirt is so short, it might as well be a strip of cloth. it looks stupid, and it makes us look stupid. to prove this, in one point, a person she saves says "i never thought id be saved by someone with such great tits!!" i mean seriously, it makes our industry look stupid, and childish. what do you guys think? do games like this tarnish our already stained image?

P.S., i did not buy this, i just watched videos by people with the same complaint as i, showing the part ive referenced to.

The title appears to be a self-aware sendup of the things you're complaining about. The entire game appears to have its tongue firmly planted in its cheek.

Seems kind of silly to be complaining about it in that light. But whatever floats your boat. Even if it is a straight up piece of crap, I don't think you can seriously tell me that Shaft lessens the works of Scorsese or supermarket romance cheapens Melville.

no

its the kind of silly you don't get fussed over...kind of like Bayonetta

I don't see why anyone would get fussed over Bayo. It's feminist empowerment in its highest form.

 

[Vault101]

no

its the kind of silly you don't get fussed over...kind of like Bayonetta

I don't see why anyone would get fussed over Bayo. It's feminist empowerment in its highest form.

as interpreted by some people....me however, I'm not convinced

 

[Something Amyss]

Why should I feel bad? It's illegal to fuck a 16/17 year old, not admire their *ahem* assets. We aren't talking about a child after all.

Don't know where you're from, but in a good chunk of the country, it's not illegal to "fuck" a 16/17 year old.

However, for a lot of purposes, they are still children. So yeah. Because I live in a state where the age of consent is 16, I could sleep with as many 16 year old cheerleaders as I want. Still doesn't mean it isn't creepy to nail someone like, half my age.

 

[Something Amyss]

as interpreted by some people....me however, I'm not convinced

Yeah, I was kinda taking the piss.

 

[omega 616]

Say what you want but this game is just shameless pandering, come on ... there is an achievement for looking up her skirt ...

I am surprised Suda 51 didn't join up ninja theory, to make it as close to a generic pandering game as possible, slutty, barely dressed blonde chick, with blue eyes, killing zombies with a chainsaw ....

I think all of the people "defending" this with "don't take it so seriously" are the ones getting it to perv.

Nothing wrong with wanting to perv but the internet is full of naked people, people with actual flesh not a good polygon count.

I think it's weird this game got so much hype and buzz for such generic crap ...

If this is generic crap give me 10 other games where you can be a cheerleader killing zombies with a chainsaw while rainbows and all sorts of crazy shit happens on screen with some original bosses?

No, I mean it's got parts from other games, not entire other games that make it generic.

The player could have been killing any number of enemies but they chose zombies, for example.

 

[getoffmycloud]

Say what you want but this game is just shameless pandering, come on ... there is an achievement for looking up her skirt ...

I am surprised Suda 51 didn't join up ninja theory, to make it as close to a generic pandering game as possible, slutty, barely dressed blonde chick, with blue eyes, killing zombies with a chainsaw ....

I think all of the people "defending" this with "don't take it so seriously" are the ones getting it to perv.

Nothing wrong with wanting to perv but the internet is full of naked people, people with actual flesh not a good polygon count.

I think it's weird this game got so much hype and buzz for such generic crap ...

If this is generic crap give me 10 other games where you can be a cheerleader killing zombies with a chainsaw while rainbows and all sorts of crazy shit happens on screen with some original bosses?

No, I mean it's got parts from other games, not entire other games that make it generic.

The player could have been killing any number of enemies but they chose zombies, for example.

so there is no such thing as an original game anymore by that explanation so being generic isn't a criticism unless you think all games are bad

 

[JokerboyJordan]

Say what you want but this game is just shameless pandering, come on ... there is an achievement for looking up her skirt ...

I am surprised Suda 51 didn't join up ninja theory, to make it as close to a generic pandering game as possible, slutty, barely dressed blonde chick, with blue eyes, killing zombies with a chainsaw ....

I think all of the people "defending" this with "don't take it so seriously" are the ones getting it to perv.

Nothing wrong with wanting to perv but the internet is full of naked people, people with actual flesh not a good polygon count.

I think it's weird this game got so much hype and buzz for such generic crap ...

If this is generic crap give me 10 other games where you can be a cheerleader killing zombies with a chainsaw while rainbows and all sorts of crazy shit happens on screen with some original bosses?

No, I mean it's got parts from other games, not entire other games that make it generic.

The player could have been killing any number of enemies but they chose zombies, for example.

You obviously don't understand the point of tongue in cheek satire

 

[Carrots_macduff]

lollipop chainsaw is clearly and unashamedly exploitation at its finest, which is why there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, this is not supposed to be a story about a teenage girl who is trying to find her place in the world and dealing with becoming a woman blah blah blah, and then suddenly a zombie apocalypse breaks out half way through at which point she then says "ok! now its time to slut it up and break out the chainsaw!" see the difference?

 

[Xanthious]

While I would argue the game is pretty much total tripe I don't think it's having any kind of negative lasting effects on the industry as a whole. A year from now we will very likely have forgotten about the game for the most part.

However, I will say that I believe that had Suda51's name not been attached to the game the reviews would have been much MUCH lower as people wouldn't have been desperate to defend all the juvenile exploitation as some kind of witty satire. Since his name is on it though it is getting a massive pass by the bulk of the people reviewing it.

The bottom line is there are very few redeeming qualities about this game as it is nothing more than shameless pandering to the lowest common denominator. This game wasn't meant to be some satirical commentary on the gaming industry it was meant to sell a lot of copies because it had a half naked cheerleader killing zombies and about as much depth medicine cup.

 

[Ninjafire72]

As someone who played the game for 12 hours straight (2 full playthroughs) I can say that no, it does not degrade the industry as a whole. Nor does it make us juvenile or perverted, as some people on this forum seems to think. If/when you play the game it is SO OBVIOUS that all the sexualisation, violence and immaturity is satirical. I mean come on, no person intheri right mind would make a game like LPC expecting people to take it seriously.

And to people saying it was boring, I can only say I'd much rather play this than COD or some other clone of it. How many games EVER MADE had zombies spray confetti and sparkles everywhere? The Combo reward system is called "Sparkle Hunting", there is a bunny suit costume you can wear, and you can throw around a talking head to kill zombies. Let's see COD do THAT.

 

[omega 616]

Say what you want but this game is just shameless pandering, come on ... there is an achievement for looking up her skirt ...

I am surprised Suda 51 didn't join up ninja theory, to make it as close to a generic pandering game as possible, slutty, barely dressed blonde chick, with blue eyes, killing zombies with a chainsaw ....

I think all of the people "defending" this with "don't take it so seriously" are the ones getting it to perv.

Nothing wrong with wanting to perv but the internet is full of naked people, people with actual flesh not a good polygon count.

I think it's weird this game got so much hype and buzz for such generic crap ...

If this is generic crap give me 10 other games where you can be a cheerleader killing zombies with a chainsaw while rainbows and all sorts of crazy shit happens on screen with some original bosses?

No, I mean it's got parts from other games, not entire other games that make it generic.

The player could have been killing any number of enemies but they chose zombies, for example.

You obviously don't understand the point of tongue in cheek satire

I do, it's just not this game.

People are just trying to put up some flimsy defense like you just did "oh, it's just a joke" ... "don't take it so seriously" ... "It's mocking the industry".

Well in all actuality all they want to do is perv.

There are other games that do the exact same thing, there is one about DLC, you have to buy the sound track, the ability to jump, the ability to move left etc as a jab at the game industry ... how much publicity does that game have? Fuck all, this game has a shit tonne 'cos the player is a slutty cheer leader.

I just watched the roosterteeth guys do a video on it and the gameplay looks boring (well I don't like DMC or Bayonetta either), the visuals are nothing special. It is just an average game selling like hot cakes 'cos the makers know how much nerds like fake girls.

 

[DirgeNovak]

Suda 51? Nah, you lost it.
Suda 51 makes fun games that bank on absurdity and shock. He's a little like Monty Python.

You know what makes the industry look stupid and childish, the notion that the only thing gamers want is gray brown sequels to samey cover based shooters.
That combined with the fact that when we do get something colorful and different people claim it's "Bastardizing our Industry" That's a lot worse then a game where you play a zombie slashing cheer leader in a short skirt.

I've got nothing to add. Lollipop Chainsaw is a pop culture parody, like, I don't know, every game Suda51's ever done.

I love that Monty Python comparison. Suda really is kind of Japan's Monty Python.

 

[getoffmycloud]

Say what you want but this game is just shameless pandering, come on ... there is an achievement for looking up her skirt ...

I am surprised Suda 51 didn't join up ninja theory, to make it as close to a generic pandering game as possible, slutty, barely dressed blonde chick, with blue eyes, killing zombies with a chainsaw ....

I think all of the people "defending" this with "don't take it so seriously" are the ones getting it to perv.

Nothing wrong with wanting to perv but the internet is full of naked people, people with actual flesh not a good polygon count.

I think it's weird this game got so much hype and buzz for such generic crap ...

If this is generic crap give me 10 other games where you can be a cheerleader killing zombies with a chainsaw while rainbows and all sorts of crazy shit happens on screen with some original bosses?

No, I mean it's got parts from other games, not entire other games that make it generic.

The player could have been killing any number of enemies but they chose zombies, for example.

You obviously don't understand the point of tongue in cheek satire

I do, it's just not this game.

People are just trying to put up some flimsy defense like you just did "oh, it's just a joke" ... "don't take it so seriously" ... "It's mocking the industry".

Well in all actuality all they want to do is perv.

There are other games that do the exact same thing, there is one about DLC, you have to buy the sound track, the ability to jump, the ability to move left etc as a jab at the game industry ... how much publicity does that game have? Fuck all, this game has a shit tonne 'cos the player is a slutty cheer leader.

I just watched the roosterteeth guys do a video on it and the gameplay looks boring (well I don't like DMC or Bayonetta either), the visuals are nothing special. It is just an average game selling like hot cakes 'cos the makers know how much nerds like fake girls.

The reason it got so much publicity is the fact that it is a suda 51 game and therefore it gets instant interest from fans of suda 51 games the same way that COD fans get excited about COD, Bethesda fans get excited about elder scrolls so they get instant exposure from their makers reputation. Or maybe because it is a colourful game so it stands out compared to all the brown when people see it even if you took the blonde cheerleader out of it.

 

[anthony87]

Say what you want but this game is just shameless pandering, come on ... there is an achievement for looking up her skirt ...

I am surprised Suda 51 didn't join up ninja theory, to make it as close to a generic pandering game as possible, slutty, barely dressed blonde chick, with blue eyes, killing zombies with a chainsaw ....

I think all of the people "defending" this with "don't take it so seriously" are the ones getting it to perv.

Nothing wrong with wanting to perv but the internet is full of naked people, people with actual flesh not a good polygon count.

I think it's weird this game got so much hype and buzz for such generic crap ...

If this is generic crap give me 10 other games where you can be a cheerleader killing zombies with a chainsaw while rainbows and all sorts of crazy shit happens on screen with some original bosses?

No, I mean it's got parts from other games, not entire other games that make it generic.

The player could have been killing any number of enemies but they chose zombies, for example.

You obviously don't understand the point of tongue in cheek satire

I do, it's just not this game.

People are just trying to put up some flimsy defense like you just did "oh, it's just a joke" ... "don't take it so seriously" ... "It's mocking the industry".

Well in all actuality all they want to do is perv.

There are other games that do the exact same thing, there is one about DLC, you have to buy the sound track, the ability to jump, the ability to move left etc as a jab at the game industry ... how much publicity does that game have? Fuck all, this game has a shit tonne 'cos the player is a slutty cheer leader.

I just watched the roosterteeth guys do a video on it and the gameplay looks boring (well I don't like DMC or Bayonetta either), the visuals are nothing special. It is just an average game selling like hot cakes 'cos the makers know how much nerds like fake girls.

From this and your other posts it really seems to me like you're the one who's fixated on the "sexual" aspect of it. People defending the game have been defending just that-the game, whereas you seem to be drawn only to the apparent perviness of it.

It could just be the Bayonetta thing all over again. Some people(myself included) see a solid action game. Other people see nothing but fap bait.

 

[JokerboyJordan]

Say what you want but this game is just shameless pandering, come on ... there is an achievement for looking up her skirt ...

I am surprised Suda 51 didn't join up ninja theory, to make it as close to a generic pandering game as possible, slutty, barely dressed blonde chick, with blue eyes, killing zombies with a chainsaw ....

I think all of the people "defending" this with "don't take it so seriously" are the ones getting it to perv.

Nothing wrong with wanting to perv but the internet is full of naked people, people with actual flesh not a good polygon count.

I think it's weird this game got so much hype and buzz for such generic crap ...

If this is generic crap give me 10 other games where you can be a cheerleader killing zombies with a chainsaw while rainbows and all sorts of crazy shit happens on screen with some original bosses?

No, I mean it's got parts from other games, not entire other games that make it generic.

The player could have been killing any number of enemies but they chose zombies, for example.

You obviously don't understand the point of tongue in cheek satire

I do, it's just not this game.

People are just trying to put up some flimsy defense like you just did "oh, it's just a joke" ... "don't take it so seriously" ... "It's mocking the industry".

Well in all actuality all they want to do is perv.

There are other games that do the exact same thing, there is one about DLC, you have to buy the sound track, the ability to jump, the ability to move left etc as a jab at the game industry ... how much publicity does that game have? Fuck all, this game has a shit tonne 'cos the player is a slutty cheer leader.

I just watched the roosterteeth guys do a video on it and the gameplay looks boring (well I don't like DMC or Bayonetta either), the visuals are nothing special. It is just an average game selling like hot cakes 'cos the makers know how much nerds like fake girls.

If you think the game is just about perving up the protagonist, then I'm afraid to say you don't understand it.
And it's not a flimsy defense, it's not "oh you just don't understand, it's ART!", because it's not art, it's satirical. The way the game references zombies and highschool girls are homages to things like Dawn of the Dead (San ROMERO High School), Buffy the Vampire Slayer, as well as using zombies because of how fond the industry uses them.

You can't judge it as "perving" just because it has such a stylised main character, was Bayonetta "perving" because it was hyper sexualised? (Not that your opinion on such things even matters when you don't even like the genre).

What game are you referencing? It obviously doesn't have any publicity if you can't even be bothered to name or link it.
The game is getting publicity because it looks fun , it looks batshit crazy.
It'll sell because it appeals to people who like the genre , I admit that they're not buying it because it's satire, they're buying it because they like the look of it, whether that is in due part to the fact you have an overly stylised,cliche, trope ridden, representation of people's fetishes with schoolgirls remains to be seen, as nobody knows it's "selling like hotcakes".

Last bit is all just your opinion, which as someone who doesn't like other games in the genre, isn't really that relevant. I find that the juxtaposition of killing zombies with chainsaws and seeing them spew pink hearts and sparkles to be unique, in that I know of no other games that are the same.

And calling everyone who buys this game "nerds" is just stupid. This game is in the similar vein to Bulletstorm, a game which was, say it with me, satire.

I look forward to my copy arriving so I can play the hell out of it, because it'll be fun , not because I'm a perverted nerd.

 

[DrunkOnEstus]

[sub]Sometimes I feel like I'm one of the only people who just plays video games, and doesn't try to fucking mentally analyze every game that comes out for some "hidden meaning" or some shit like that.[/sub]

Reminds me of that South Park where the kids wrote "The tale of Scrotie McBoogerBalls" and all of America dug deep and argued that it was about conservative values, or maybe a relationship with God, when it was just classless and funny "on purpose" garbage that's nice to have every once in a while because life shouldn't be so damned serious and over-analyzed all the time. LPC is that nice, silly diversion, with no point because things should be pointless sometimes, and I LOVED No More Heroes for the exact same reason.

Really, the gaming community is better off because we have Goichi Suda, not the opposite. Because Killer 7, No More Heroes, and LPC come around and inject weird, experimental energy into the industry right at times when people are saying that things feel samey and copypasta, and we ask why nobody has original ideas. Then the original ideas are not purchased. Yahtzee has a nice game with a pencil for those folks.

 

[Xanadu84]

I believe it is a common mistake to put the weight of the entire industry on the shoulders of a single game. The problem with so many games is not an individual example of exploitation, its the systemics, universal use of certain tropes. One game that goes heavilly for shallow sex appeal is completely fine, and quite enjoyable. It's when every game needs to have impossibly proportioned sex kittens (Or a large percentage of games far outstripping the more reasonable of female characters) that you run into problems.

More to the point, with Lolipop Chainsaw, it is quite apparent that the sexuality is rather tongue in cheek: it's more self-aware parody then anything else. The lesson here is that we need to focus not on removing overly sexualized female characters, but on ADDING MORE reasonable, multidimensional, relatable and interesting female characters of all stripes. If we do that, we might be left with better female characters, and even the most enjoyable shallow sex pots who suddenly don't feel like they are a dime a dozen. While your at it, you can add in a few sexualized males to appeal to females. Ill get over it, and it's more fair to the women.

 

[DingoDoom]

No, LPC is not bastardizing the industry. LPC just proves how some people will make as much noise as possible because of the character design choice because they are:
1) Trolls looking for attention
2) Moral high horse
3) Looking to get more attention to a website (certain reviewers)
4) Completely insecure
5) Believe they are intellectually superior (goes hand in hand with moral high horse)
6) All or any combination of the above

Before you criticize LPC for its shallow gameplay, vapid pandering, etc. take a look at the rest of the games available and see how retarded that argument is. I can say that ALL FPS games are blatant pandering to warmongers, TERA is a overly blatant pandering to pedophiles and pandering to 14 yo sexual fantasy (which those kids shouldn't even be playing and false), and that ALL games are repetitive and boring because the gameplay mechanics are shite (I wonder what you do in a FPS all day hmmm?).

To say LPC is bastardizing the industry is completely false and to the people who think this game is original or not, Oneechanbara has this game beat by quite a few years. If you don't know what Oneechanbara is, look it up.

 

[omega 616]

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No, shadows of the damned sold around 24,000 copies on both consoles in a year... I suspect many more people have bought this game, although I am just guessing since the game hasn't been out a week yet.

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"The game received generally mixed to positive reviews upon release. Aggregating review websites GameRankings and Metacritic gave the PlayStation 3 version 72.33% and 67/100 and the Xbox 360 version 70.11% and 68/100. Famitsu gave the game scores of 9 out of 10 from four reviewers, adding up to a total score of 36 out of 40. IGN gave it a 5 out of 10, praising the look and feel of the game, but criticized its gameplay, calling it "Bland, slow, and unsatisfying."

So it's not really the game play now, is it? Considering 4 different sites gave it on average ... average.

The thing is bayoneta, DMC, god of war, this is that the best combo is light, light, heavy. So the gameplay is never great, so it doesn't look great, it looks the same as the others but you can perv.

Remember the old saying "sex sells"...

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Then I will humour you and let you educate me.

Lets just compare Buffy to it's obvious male counter part Angel ... basically the same fucking show, lead has a team (which is more or less identical) and they kill supernatural baddies (mostly vampires).

From wiki "Buffy's overall yearly ratings were higher than Angel's" ... so just by having a female lead they got on average more views.

Lets do the Suda 51, shadows of the damned sold 24,000 copies in a year, how many do you think this game will sell? I would say but it's been less than a week since release, so there are no numbers that I can find.

I don't like the overall genre so my opinion on sexualizing games is null and void? Bollocks. My opinion on a genre has nothing to do with how the genre looks. I am no good at fighting games, does that mean I can't have an opinion on them? No, it has nothing to do with it! I might not be able to give the best review of one but review =/=opinion.

Anyway, both games rely on the over sexulization of the main character to sell, would you have bought and played the game if it was a guy in bayonetta? Running around getting naked with every special attack? Lemme guess, you're going to claim you would but you actually wouldn't 'cos "eww naked dude!".


I have told you why they are buying it, the ploygons you control make up a typical "hot cheerleader" wearing 2 little pieces of fabric, the same people who watch anime and think the girls are cute are the ones buying this game + some others.

Were on a forum, everything on a forum is opinion! Killing zombies with a chainsaw isn't unique, dead rising did that! the only slightly unique part is the stuff popping out of them, which isn't exactly new either, stuff has been popping out of dead enemies for quite some time!

This game has fuck all to do with bulletstorm! Bulletstorm is an FPS WITH a unique feature and dick jokes. This game is a third person hack and slash game with nothing new and over sexulization of the main character.

Please, we are all nerds on this site. If you're on a site talking about games, your a nerd ... there is no insult there.

You can call yourself and see yourself how you like, I am just stating my opinion on it, remember forum is nothing but opinions.

I wont be posting in this thread any more so any quotes will be ignored, have any last words you want to though.

 

[JokerboyJordan]

I wont be posting in this thread any more so any quotes will be ignored, have any last words you want to though.

Why should I bother to write out a post and point out all the inherent flaws in your logic and the way you judge things looking only at elements of sexism, rather than other factors, if you're just going to get on your high horse and pull out the moral high ground card?

My last words are that you are a pretentious, self assured individual that would not be convinced regardless of what I contribute. I honestly couldn't give two shits if you think the game's sexist, and I'm pretty sure that the developers don't either.

Either way, they're still getting my money.