is lollipop chainsaw bastardizing our industry?

[Legion]

Yes, because no game has ever involved skimpily clothed girls fighting before. Because gaming is the only industry with childish over the top titles designed to entertain rather than analyse.

The only reason it doesn't help is because some close minded fools like to think that games can't be serious or artistic, so they choose the worst possible titles as an example in order to further their own arguments.

That's not really the games fault though, it's the peoples.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Oh please there are far more worser skimpy scandalous female characters (Ivy from Soul Calibur, that chick from X Blade and etc) out there that offend the industry than that Cheerleader.

 

[Gnoekeos]

How many book and movies and even songs do you think there are out there that the people in those fields wish weren't a part of their medium?

 

[Relish in Chaos]

Who gives a shit about a cheap fanservice game like this? As someone else said, that?d be like judging the merit of the film industry from American Pie. Or the music industry from Rihanna. Or teenage-oriented books from Twilight.

Lollipop Chainsaw doesn?t seem to be that popular anyway, and I doubt it?s taking itself seriously as it is, judging from its premise and the fact that, y?know, it?s a video game that?s designed to entertain you. And teenage girls dressed in fetish uniform being badass is nothing new (especially from Japan). You have nothing to worry about. If idiots like Jack Thompson want to capitalize on something like this and say how it?s ?corrupting your children?s minds?, then they can, but it?s not the game?s fault. It?s his bigoted fault for blacklisting all games, mature or not, like that, and regardless of his interference, games like that are still going to continue being made.

I wonder how long it?ll be before PETA start bashing on Mario fans for playing a game that encourages violence to turtles. Oh wait, didn?t that already happen? Yeah, that was fucking ridiculous, but get a ?mature? game with shitloads of sex that?s ?degrading to women? and everyone pisses themselves in outrage. Just try to play the fucking game and have fun instead of scrutinizing it like it?s a fucking Shakespeare play.

Yeah, it's creepy the way the game sexualized a high school minor

Not really. The schoolgirl/cheerleader uniform fetish is pretty common. And she doesn't look minor...

 

[neonsword13-ops]

Dude, it's Suda51, it's suppose to be weird-ass fun.

There's no point in trying to argue about if it's ruining the industry or not.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

It's made by James Gunn. Of course it bastardizes the industry, James Gunn is the God Emperor of Hipster Douchebags, he's like a Scott Pilgrim comic that became sentient and decided to wipe out it's creators in revenge for its tortured existence. What did you expect?

Don't even get me started on the human Trollface that is Dusha 51.



Yeah I insulted Suda 51, bring it internet.

You insulted scott pilgrim! And im wearing a tshirt from that comic! For that you must DIE! (But seriously scott pilgrim is a masterpiece).

Lets use some media logic. If THIS is bastardising the gaming industry just by existing then THIS is bastardising the film industry and making all film goers everywhere look stupid:

In the same vein this is making ALL book readers look stupid:

Case closed.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

I don't think you "get" Suda51. The thing is, his newer games (not counting Shadows of the Damned which is really more of a Shinji Mikami game)are pretty much video games about video games. The same way Tarantino makes movies about movies. They both use exaggerated genreclichés to... well, maybe not "poke fun" but rather "pay homage" to the simpler parts of their respective medium. They're practically saying "Even if it's dumb, hey, you can still have a lot of fun with it!". That's why Lollipop Chainsaws Gameplay and aesthetics reference old arcade games. It's a love letter to a time where games were a lot simpler and, honestly, dumber but also way more honest about what they are. A silly little distraction that didn't have to make a lot of sense. I'm not saying it was a better time... i'm glad that now there are games with a genuine artistic message. But it's also a time i look fondly upon. And i think what Suda is trying to say is "Hey, look... games now are not all that different to what they used to be!" and i dig it.

 

[getoffmycloud]

Who gives a shit about a cheap fanservice game like this? As someone else said, that?d be like judging the merit of the film industry from American Pie. Or the music industry from Rihanna. Or teenage-oriented books from Twilight.

Lollipop Chainsaw doesn?t seem to be that popular anyway, and I doubt it?s taking itself seriously as it is, judging from its premise and the fact that, y?know, it?s a video game that?s designed to entertain you. And teenage girls dressed in fetish uniform being badass is nothing new (especially from Japan). You have nothing to worry about. If idiots like Jack Thompson want to capitalize on something like this and say how it?s ?corrupting your children?s minds?, then they can, but it?s not the game?s fault. It?s his bigoted fault for blacklisting all games, mature or not, like that, and regardless of his interference, games like that are still going to continue being made.

I wonder how long it?ll be before PETA start bashing on Mario fans for playing a game that encourages violence to turtles. Oh wait, didn?t that already happen? Yeah, that was fucking ridiculous, but get a ?mature? game with shitloads of sex that?s ?degrading to women? and everyone pisses themselves in outrage. Just try to play the fucking game and have fun instead of scrutinizing it like it?s a fucking Shakespeare play.

Yeah, it's creepy the way the game sexualized a high school minor

Not really. The schoolgirl/cheerleader uniform fetish is pretty common. And she doesn't look minor...

She is 18 so no problem there

 

[aba1]

as you may know, suda51 made a game called lollipop chainsaw. it involves a skimpily dressed teen girl killing zombies iwith a chainsaw. she looks pretty much what a drugged up hooker that played basketball would look like. her legs are so long,shes probably taller than 7 ft., and here mini skirt is so short, it might as well be a strip of cloth. it looks stupid, and it makes us look stupid. to prove this, in one point, a person she saves says "i never thought id be saved by someone with such great tits!!" i mean seriously, it makes our industry look stupid, and childish. what do you guys think? do games like this tarnish our already stained image?

P.S., i did not buy this, i just watched videos by people with the same complaint as i, showing the part ive referenced to.

Half the point of video games is to do things you could never do in real life. With that in mind I actually respect chainsaw lollypop. It isn't afraid to be crazy silly and a little childish and stupid that is what is so great about it. There is nothing wrong with a hyper sexualized cheerleader fighting zombies it doesn't hurt anyone and it is so upfront about the fact it is so wildly unrealistic I don't even see how anyone could argue it has any sort of influence.

The beautiful thing about art and being creative is that you don't have to be restricted by real life or morals or anything you can be wild and do what ever you want without any restrictions.

 

[bullet_sandw1ch]

i actually dont believe in the "games are art" movement. i just believe that,after playing this at a friends house, that it isnt even FUN!!! at least if it was fun, it would be worth the stupidity and satire, but its quite boring.

also, i noticed every time i make a thread i screw up my point, and i come off as a jackass. i think ill leave the topic creating to people who dont create an angry mob every time i type.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

She is 18 so no problem there

Even if she was 15, I wouldn't give a shit. If she's a fictional character who actually looks of age (which many do), then it's fine to fetishize her and think she's attractive. People nowadays are too quick to push the paedophile button just because some guy happens to think some girl who happens to be two years shy of legal fucking age is sexy. Or make statistic shit up about men coming out of lap dance bars being more inclined to rape women around the area, 'cos, y'know, obviously all men are hypersexual potential rapists.

 

[goliath6711]

as you may know, suda51 made a game called lollipop chainsaw. it involves a skimpily dressed teen girl killing zombies iwith a chainsaw. she looks pretty much what a drugged up hooker that played basketball would look like. her legs are so long,shes probably taller than 7 ft., and here mini skirt is so short, it might as well be a strip of cloth. it looks stupid, and it makes us look stupid. to prove this, in one point, a person she saves says "i never thought id be saved by someone with such great tits!!" i mean seriously, it makes our industry look stupid, and childish. what do you guys think? do games like this tarnish our already stained image?

P.S., i did not buy this, i just watched videos by people with the same complaint as i, showing the part ive referenced to.

Yes, every game which is created without intellectual merit diminishes the sense that the medium is about intellectual merit to some extent. Same as every dumb action movie does to it's medium, same as every similar book does to it's medium, same as every less educated or intelligent person does to their species, but you have to have the mind of a supervillian to believe this is an inherently bad thing; intellectual merit is not the only important thing in life.

Also, could one argue these games are providing juxtaposition for others perhaps? or even that the fact this kind of wacky game is getting more attention is partly due to it standing out more, and that therefor shows how much more sensible the medium has actually grown?

I know these points have been brought up before, but I'll make them anyway.

Did Machete bring about the degradation of all films?
Did the Spice Girls bring about the degradation of all music? (I was a fan, by the way.)
Did Jersey Shore bring about the degradation of all television?
Did Wanted (the comic) bring about the degradation of all literature?

 

[TheSteeleStrap]

No this is just a wacky hacky slashy thing. 51 just getting in on the zombie action.

 

[Khanht Cope]

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[V8 Ninja]

Suda51 is pretty much the 42 of game development; his existence literally justifies any projects he works on.

EDIT: What I mean is that no, it's not hurting the industry because of Suda51.

 

[DoPo]

i actually dont believe in the "games are art" movement. i just believe that,after playing this at a friends house, that it isnt even FUN!!! at least if it was fun, it would be worth the stupidity and satire, but its quite boring.

Ah I see, So this is just "I didn't like it, so I must demonise it" thing. That's all right just...what's up with this? We see this way to often - it's not enough to say "I didn't like X" in gaming (maybe other media also sufferers, I dunno), no, you have to take it as a personal insult and go at length how horrible it is. Happened with ME3 (A LOT), happened with Diablo 3, happened with lots of other games. Why just yesterday somebody complained that Max Payne 3 had multiplayer in a way that made it sound like it destroyed the game. Several a week before that, a thread about "Skyrim may include adoption, isn't it cool" turned into people basically saying that this one free feature that is optional somehow was destroying the industry. I'm not even exaggarating there - getting adoption into Skyrim was a bad sign for the gaming industry.

And now we have "I played a game and I didn't have fun, is it actively destroying gaming".

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

as you may know, suda51 made a game called lollipop chainsaw. it involves a skimpily dressed teen girl killing zombies iwith a chainsaw. she looks pretty much what a drugged up hooker that played basketball would look like. her legs are so long,shes probably taller than 7 ft., and here mini skirt is so short, it might as well be a strip of cloth. it looks stupid, and it makes us look stupid. to prove this, in one point, a person she saves says "i never thought id be saved by someone with such great tits!!" i mean seriously, it makes our industry look stupid, and childish. what do you guys think? do games like this tarnish our already stained image?

P.S., i did not buy this, i just watched videos by people with the same complaint as i, showing the part ive referenced to.

I think it's hilarious. It's obviously making fun of this aspect of the industry. I think we are better off for it existing, noxious IGN beauty pageants aside... The fact that IGN didn't get the irony is, in itself, funny as hell.

 

[klown]

To quote Susan from one of their podcasts. It's all about intent. Suda51's intent wasn't to make something deep and meaningful. It isn't a Citizen Kane, or a Hamlet. It's a silly game that is meant to be taken as such.

As an industry we are better by having Lollipop chainsaw.

 

[nasteypenguin]

I know these points have been brought up before, but I'll make them anyway.

Did Machete bring about the degradation of all films?
Did the Spice Girls bring about the degradation of all music? (I was a fan, by the way.)
Did Jersey Shore bring about the degradation of all television?
Did Wanted (the comic) bring about the degradation of all literature?

You missed my point. The inclusion of games which have no intellectual merit diminishes to what extent people view the art form as a medium of intellectual merit as a whole; but art is about things other than just intellectual merit, therefor it isn't actually degrading the medium at all.

Hypothetically, if there were absolutely no music genres other than classical symphony type stuff music might be considered an educated man's art, since it requires quite a bit of dedication and know-how. However, the introduction of other musical genres, like the Spice Girls, changes the way music would be seen, it would no longer be viewed as much of a mentally demanding art form, but more about expression through rhythm and lyrics. That kind of thing would be seen as bastardising what music is, because it's degrading the intellectual merit of the art. But you like the Spice Girls! they brought you a trifle of happiness so obviously they were doing something right!

So hopefully you can see how bastardisation in relation to seriousness does not degrade the art form at all, only the way it is viewed by other people.

In gaming context it's kind of the other way around, but you get the idea.

as a footnote; perhaps I am stretching the definition of bastardisation a bit too much, maybe "corrupts" can be used more easily without it needing to have a wholly negative connotation.

 

[lacktheknack]

It has the same effect on video games that Big Tits Zombie has on the film industry. ie: None.