Is Rap art?

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Lilani

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Rap is becoming like anime in respect to whether or not it's an art. Anime is becoming drastically overused. Ask a child between middle and high school to draw a person and there's a 3 out of 4 chance they will draw you an anime person, or at least someone with anime features. This is because anime is easy, fairly visually pleasing, and you never have to go far to find a peer who will praise you for your work.

And rap follows this same pattern. It can be easy, it is popular, and you can produce a critically acclaimed piece fairly easily by following the same usual motions.

However, just like anime, there is a "higher form" of rap that is rarely tapped in to. Though with both forms of art it isn't hard to pop them out and please the fans, it takes a true master to come out with a deep, complex, and most of all original rap song or anime drawing.

So, is it art? It just depends. "Lower" rap like those artists that recycle the same boring themes and beats are becoming less like artists and more like mass producers of sound. Masters of the art can make rap stand out and appeal to more than just the usual crowd of listeners.

And a final example: At my prom two weeks ago, two songs were played in a row. The first one was all instrumental, and the second had lyrics. I tell you, if it had not been for those lyrics, I would not have known that they were two seperate songs. Both had virtually the same beats and rhythms, and neither were really dancable in the first place. That just irks me. It truly does. Whomever made those songs should both be equally ashamed.
 

garfoldsomeoneelse

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When it's about relevant subjects, then I consider it to be art.


However, when it's some jerkoff jumping around throwing around stupid catchphrases hoping it'll catch on and make them famous, regardless of how insubstantial their lyrics are, it's garbage.

 

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nathan-dts said:
Rap CAN be art, but the majority of rap that talks about getting laid and popping caps in asses is not art.
Especially the recent stylings of rap... where they use random instruments and sound fx. I'm no fan of rap, but I could definitely stand the literal definitions of rap (i.e. rhyming, etc.), but that Soldier Boy shit makes me envy the deaf, for Chrissake.
 

Xrysthos

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I'd say rap is art, because it's music. But there is a distinction between art and horrible art. I mean, there are quite a few paintings I wouldn't even hang in my shed.
 

Toners

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As Chris Rock said, rap can be broken down intellectually. For example "move *****, get out the way", clearly there is a ***** that is in his way, and he wants to move them :D.
But there are subliminal undertones in quite a lot of rap songs, and although I've listened to them and joked on occasion, there are some that have a hard hitting message. Now I can't remember a lot of them because I was in my mate's dorm room baked off my face, but if you really listen to some of the lyrics, you can really get a deeper message.
Besides, if some conceptual art counts as art because it's pushing the boundaries, then rap counts as music for the same reason, end of :D (same with black metal, controversially)
 

MiserableOldGit

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Honestly, I think this is one of the most ridiculous non-questions you could ask, and I'm only replying in my ongoing futile attempt to get people to think rather than spew out any and all thoughts that run through their tiny brains.
To ask 'is rap art' is like asking 'is sketching art' or 'is poetry art' - The phrase 'rap' encompasses too much - you get abstract and political/social hip hop, which is undoubtedly art, then at the other end of the scale, you've got some pretentious mysogynist going on about how many guns/cars/gold credit cards he's got, which is also art, just not very good art.

Art is an attempt to communicate a thought, idea, experience, or emotion in as pure and undistilled form as possible. How succesful it is at doing this, and how valuable or relevant the message is are the only means to judge the quality of a given art piece.
Here are some good examples of the genre...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y_VFGrGnCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PsnxDQvQpw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aLPV7GcyFE
http://promo.mudhut.co.uk/catalogue/parlour_talk.htm
 

waggmd

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L33tsauce_Marty said:
Cheesebob said:
Yes.

Poetry = Art

Rap = Poetry over a beat

Thus:

Rap = Art
Arguably poetry, I still don't think it's there yet.
Some rap songs aren't, but I believe this song is poetry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggxTtnKTMo.
 

Space Spoons

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I'm of the opinion that rap really isn't any different from every other music genre in that it's a bit of a mixed bag; some of it is good, most of it is crap, and a very, very small amount of it is art.

What rap qualifies as art? Jurassic 5. J-Live. Tupac Shakur. Biggie Smalls. Eminem.

If you don't think rap can have meaning, go listen to a song by one of those artists, and I mean really listen. You'll find more meaning in them than most of the trite, derivative crap they play on the radio.
 

Cheesebob

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I give you Stan by Eminem.

Dear Slim, I wrote but you still ain't callin
I left my cell, my pager, and my home phone at the bottom
I sent two letters back in autumn, you must not-a got 'em
There probably was a problem at the post office or somethin
Sometimes I scribble addresses too sloppy when I jot 'em
but anyways; f**k it, what's been up? Man how's your daughter?
My girlfriend's pregnant too, I'm bout to be a father
If I have a daughter, guess what I'ma call her?
I'ma name her Bonnie
I read about your Uncle Ronnie too I'm sorry
I had a friend kill himself over some bit*h who didn't want him
I know you probably hear this everyday, but I'm your biggest fan
I even got the underground sh*t that you did with Skam
I got a room full of your posters and your pictures man
I like the sh*t you did with Rawkus too, that sh*t was fat
Anyways, I hope you get this man, hit me back,
just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan
This is Stan

{Chorus: Dido}

[Eminem as 'Stan']
Dear Slim, you still ain't called or wrote, I hope you have a chance
I ain't mad - I just think it's F**KED UP you don't answer fans
If you didn't wanna talk to me outside your concert
you didn't have to, but you coulda signed an autograph for Matthew
That's my little brother man, he's only six years old
We waited in the blistering cold for you,
four hours and you just said, "No."
That's pretty shitty man - you're like his f**kin idol
He wants to be just like you man, he likes you more than I do
I ain't that mad though, I just don't like bein lied to
Remember when we met in Denver - you said if I'd write you
you would write back - see I'm just like you in a way
I never knew my father neither;
he used to always cheat on my mom and beat her
I can relate to what you're saying in your songs
so when I have a shitty day, I drift away and put 'em on
cause I don't really got sh*t else so that sh*t helps when I'm depressed
I even got a tattoo of your name across the chest
Sometimes I even cut myself to see how much it bleeds
It's like adrenaline, the pain is such a sudden rush for me
See everything you say is real, and I respect you cause you tell it
My girlfriend's jealous cause I talk about you 24/7
But she don't know you like I know you Slim, no one does
She don't know what it was like for people like us growin up
You gotta call me man, I'll be the biggest fan you'll ever lose
Sincerely yours, Stan -- P.S.
We should be together too

{Chorus: Dido}

[Eminem as 'Stan']
Dear Mister-I'm-Too-Good-To-Call-Or-Write-My-Fans,
this'll be the last package I ever send your ass
It's been six months and still no word - I don't deserve it?
I know you got my last two letters;
I wrote the addresses on 'em perfect
So this is my cassette I'm sending you, I hope you hear it
I'm in the car right now, I'm doing 90 on the freeway
Hey Slim, I drank a fifth of vodka, you dare me to drive?
You know the song by Phil Collins, "In the Air of the Night"
about that guy who coulda saved that other guy from drowning
but didn't, then Phil saw it all, then at a a show he found him?
That's kinda how this is, you coulda rescued me from drowning
Now it's too late - I'm on a 1000 downers now, I'm drowsy
and all I wanted was a lousy letter or a call
I hope you know I ripped +ALL+ of your pictures off the wall
I love you Slim, we coulda been together, think about it
You ruined it now, I hope you can't sleep and you dream about it
And when you dream I hope you can't sleep and you SCREAM about it
I hope your conscience EATS AT YOU and you can't BREATHE without me
See Slim; {*screaming*} Shut up bit*h! I'm tryin to talk!
Hey Slim, that's my girlfriend screamin in the trunk
but I didn't slit her throat, I just tied her up, see I ain't like you
cause if she suffocates she'll suffer more, and then she'll die too
Well, gotta go, I'm almost at the bridge now
Oh shit, I forgot, how'm I supposed to send this sh*t out?
{*car tires squeal*} {*CRASH*}
.. {*brief silence*} .. {*LOUD splash*}

{Chorus: Dido}

[Eminem]
Dear Stan, I meant to write you sooner but I just been busy
You said your girlfriend's pregnant now, how far along is she?
Look, I'm really flattered you would call your daughter that
and here's an autograph for your brother,
I wrote it on the Starter cap
I'm sorry I didn't see you at the show, I musta missed you
Don't think I did that sh*t intentionally just to diss you
But what's this sh*t you said about you like to cut your wrists too?
I say that sh*t just clownin dogg,
c'mon - how f**ked up is you?
You got some issues Stan, I think you need some counseling
to help your as* from bouncing off the walls when you get down some
And what's this sh*t about us meant to be together?
That type of shit'll make me not want us to meet each other
I really think you and your girlfriend need each other
or maybe you just need to treat her better
I hope you get to read this letter, I just hope it reaches you in time
before you hurt yourself, I think that you'll be doin just fine
if you relax a little, I'm glad I inspire you but Stan
why are you so mad? Try to understand, that I do want you as a fan
I just don't want you to do some crazy shit
I seen this one sh*t on the news a couple weeks ago that made me sick
Some dude was drunk and drove his car over a bridge
and had his girlfriend in the trunk, and she was pregnant with his kid
and in the car they found a tape, but they didn't say who it was to
Come to think about, his name was.. it was you
Damn!
L33tsauce_Marty said:
Cheesebob said:
Yes.

Poetry = Art

Rap = Poetry over a beat

Thus:

Rap = Art
Arguably poetry, I still don't think it's there yet.
Maraveno said:
Cheesebob said:
Yes.

Poetry = Art

Rap = Poetry over a beat

Thus:

Rap = Art
Rap is not Poetry over a beat... well very rarely

trashtalking=shit

Rap = Trashtalking over a beat

Thus

Rap= Shit



Now don't say It's not trashtalking Because : Ya know bitches and Brotha's of the Escapist You gotta Fucking Digg that shit right? Imma find me a Ho and fuck her double Yeah!

That is basicly is rap

Then there is the fact that when rap is nice it is overly repetitive

Rap is just Complete and utter retarded shit for brains stuff
I believe I have proven my point
 

xChevelle24

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Rock and Metal are two different genre's by the way. Metal is not a sub-genre of rock.

goatzilla8463 said:
I hate rap but if you consider it to be art, it's art to you.
This.
 

Gooble

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Hip Hop I can definitely respect as it had meaning and purpose-I personally like Dan Le Sac vs Scroobius Pip and De La Soul.

However anything (like Gangster rap) that seems to lack any point and is just droning crap just plain sucks.

And on a side note, ever wondered what rap stood for? Retards Attempting Poetry :D
 

xChevelle24

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Cheesebob said:
Dear Slim, I wrote but you still ain't callin
I left my cell, my pager, and my home phone at the bottom
I sent two letters back in autumn, you must not-a got 'em
There probably was a problem at the post office or somethin
Sometimes I scribble addresses too sloppy when I jot 'em
but anyways; f**k it, what's been up? Man how's your daughter?
My girlfriend's pregnant too, I'm bout to be a father
If I have a daughter, guess what I'ma call her?
I'ma name her Bonnie
I read about your Uncle Ronnie too I'm sorry
I had a friend kill himself over some bit*h who didn't want him
I know you probably hear this everyday, but I'm your biggest fan
I even got the underground sh*t that you did with Skam
I got a room full of your posters and your pictures man
I like the sh*t you did with Rawkus too, that sh*t was fat
Anyways, I hope you get this man, hit me back,
just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan
This is Stan

{Chorus: Dido}

[Eminem as 'Stan']
Dear Slim, you still ain't called or wrote, I hope you have a chance
I ain't mad - I just think it's F**KED UP you don't answer fans
If you didn't wanna talk to me outside your concert
you didn't have to, but you coulda signed an autograph for Matthew
That's my little brother man, he's only six years old
We waited in the blistering cold for you,
four hours and you just said, "No."
That's pretty shitty man - you're like his f**kin idol
He wants to be just like you man, he likes you more than I do
I ain't that mad though, I just don't like bein lied to
Remember when we met in Denver - you said if I'd write you
you would write back - see I'm just like you in a way
I never knew my father neither;
he used to always cheat on my mom and beat her
I can relate to what you're saying in your songs
so when I have a shitty day, I drift away and put 'em on
cause I don't really got sh*t else so that sh*t helps when I'm depressed
I even got a tattoo of your name across the chest
Sometimes I even cut myself to see how much it bleeds
It's like adrenaline, the pain is such a sudden rush for me
See everything you say is real, and I respect you cause you tell it
My girlfriend's jealous cause I talk about you 24/7
But she don't know you like I know you Slim, no one does
She don't know what it was like for people like us growin up
You gotta call me man, I'll be the biggest fan you'll ever lose
Sincerely yours, Stan -- P.S.
We should be together too

{Chorus: Dido}

[Eminem as 'Stan']
Dear Mister-I'm-Too-Good-To-Call-Or-Write-My-Fans,
this'll be the last package I ever send your ass
It's been six months and still no word - I don't deserve it?
I know you got my last two letters;
I wrote the addresses on 'em perfect
So this is my cassette I'm sending you, I hope you hear it
I'm in the car right now, I'm doing 90 on the freeway
Hey Slim, I drank a fifth of vodka, you dare me to drive?
You know the song by Phil Collins, "In the Air of the Night"
about that guy who coulda saved that other guy from drowning
but didn't, then Phil saw it all, then at a a show he found him?
That's kinda how this is, you coulda rescued me from drowning
Now it's too late - I'm on a 1000 downers now, I'm drowsy
and all I wanted was a lousy letter or a call
I hope you know I ripped +ALL+ of your pictures off the wall
I love you Slim, we coulda been together, think about it
You ruined it now, I hope you can't sleep and you dream about it
And when you dream I hope you can't sleep and you SCREAM about it
I hope your conscience EATS AT YOU and you can't BREATHE without me
See Slim; {*screaming*} Shut up bit*h! I'm tryin to talk!
Hey Slim, that's my girlfriend screamin in the trunk
but I didn't slit her throat, I just tied her up, see I ain't like you
cause if she suffocates she'll suffer more, and then she'll die too
Well, gotta go, I'm almost at the bridge now
Oh shit, I forgot, how'm I supposed to send this sh*t out?

{*car tires squeal*} {*CRASH*}
.. {*brief silence*} .. {*LOUD splash*}

{Chorus: Dido}

[Eminem]
Dear Stan, I meant to write you sooner but I just been busy
You said your girlfriend's pregnant now, how far along is she?
Look, I'm really flattered you would call your daughter that
and here's an autograph for your brother,
I wrote it on the Starter cap
I'm sorry I didn't see you at the show, I musta missed you
Don't think I did that sh*t intentionally just to diss you
But what's this sh*t you said about you like to cut your wrists too?
I say that sh*t just clownin dogg,
c'mon - how f**ked up is you?
You got some issues Stan, I think you need some counseling
to help your as* from bouncing off the walls when you get down some
And what's this sh*t about us meant to be together?
That type of shit'll make me not want us to meet each other
I really think you and your girlfriend need each other
or maybe you just need to treat her better
I hope you get to read this letter, I just hope it reaches you in time
before you hurt yourself, I think that you'll be doin just fine
if you relax a little, I'm glad I inspire you but Stan
why are you so mad? Try to understand, that I do want you as a fan
I just don't want you to do some crazy shit
I seen this one sh*t on the news a couple weeks ago that made me sick
Some dude was drunk and drove his car over a bridge
and had his girlfriend in the trunk, and she was pregnant with his kid
and in the car they found a tape, but they didn't say who it was to
Come to think about, his name was.. it was you
Damn!
Thank god, I was beginning to think that Eminem was beginning to write a good song, then I heard these lines and said, "Oh, nevermind".
 

toasterslayer

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im gunna state four somewhat related things:
1. most people replying are saying the same thing.
2. Someone said that he likes rap songs for the music parts and not the lyrics. I'd find that a respectable opinion except for the fact that his ipod has 3,000 songs on it.
3. Some people suggested an artist for me to listen to and i will now summarize his life's work:

*bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep!!*

4. WHO BUYS THIS C*AP! some rap might be different though.
 

Warwolt

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"Poetry (from the Greek "ποίησις", poiesis, a "making") is a form of literary art in which language is used for its aesthetic and evocative qualities in addition to, or in lieu of, its apparent meaning. Poetry may be written independently, as discrete poems, or may occur in conjunction with other arts, as in poetic drama, hymns or lyrics." - wikipedia

Thus, even if its arguable, you can't really say that just because the lyrics is about a certain theme its no longer poetry. Poetry is a way to channel emotions or ideas via text in a more artistic way than it being purely informational (like this text)