Is there any REASON gay marriage is wrong?

[zelda2fanboy]

There are some people who genuinely believe gay sex hurts society by somehow negatively affecting the moral standards of everyone on a mass scale. It's crazy, but not as crazy as believing in three forms of God and zombie edible Jesus, which is often another belief held by these hypothetical people. (Straw man argument, I know, but they do exist... look it up.) I think what "they" really want and what they belief they already have (but they don't) is a theocracy. They believe the government should support a Christian belief system with laws and punishments, not unlike sharia law (another thing I just found out about... look it up). Why do you think they are so down on birth control, sex ed, and abortion? It's because they want people who have premarital sex to be punished. They ironically want what the middle east has, and again, sort of think they already have it with the marriage issue. This is why they get so bent out of shape. It's a good thing the predominant form of Christianity isn't Catholicism, otherwise people would be out there debating and protesting divorce.

 

[Thy Doctor]

If gay marriage is passed then every church would be required to allow gay weddings. I think that's pretty messed up, I mean why not just give them a different word. I know some people hate religion, but marriage is a religious sacrament in all religion. Keep the religions shit in the churches and just come up with a new phrase


Note: not completely sure the first statement is correct

 

[liquidangry]

Those are all 'reasons' for another thread.

The "reason" is that you pick and choose what parts of the bible to support your bigotry.

Your faith is a flimsy pretext to support your hatred, if that wasn't true you would follow the entire book.

True, and I've said this in another thread about religion as well. Anti-homosexuality is cultural at its base in reality, rather than religious like people make it out to be. To use an argument used against me above, homophobia is not new either. Ancient Celts tied gays to boards, put them face down in the dirt, poured water around them to make mud, had the ENTIRE VILLAGE trample them to crush and drown them in mud.

Homophobia was never accepted in North Western European cultures.

 

[meryatathagres]

*laws against female thinking*

I have the impression that these things do go hand in hand. But that's what you get from a patriarchal religion where even the omnipotent, omiscient, omnipresent god is a "he".
If God is omnipotent, what does he need a dick for? Damn those ancient jews and their womanhating ways..oh wait...damn them for hating shellfish..er..damn them for leavened bread..err..gays? OK! they sure were right about them gays!
Seriously, discard the old covenant and embrace the new covenant.

 

[GenericPCUser]

Only counter argument I have heard is that Marriage is supposed to be a religious tradition, and so it is in the religion's control whether or not to allow it...

...but their are so many reason's why that statement is wrong that it would take forever to get in to.

Luckily I have that kind of time.

1. People have been pairing off long before religion, and certainly the religion's practiced today, even existed.

2. Marriage has a big effect on your life outside of religion.

3. Marriages are preformed today between heterosexual couples devoid or apart from religion.

4. Homosexuals getting married wouldn't change society for those not involved at all.


Personally, I am against marriage in general... I don't see the point =/

 

[Moosh50]

(Before reading, please note that I AM in favor of gay marriage, in case you're very thick and don't get that right away)

You might hear people go on about how "Gay marriage is wrong", and "How it shoud be illegal" and so on. But I've yet to hear an objective reason for the case. They sometimes try to justify their position with "It would hurt regular marriage", but this is far fetched at best and a flat out lie at worst.

Fortunately these forums tend to be pretty open-minded on the matter, but if you happen to disagree with me, I'd very much like to hear a good, solid, factual reason to support your position.

EDIT: Lol, I finaly caught on to the error in the title X). I originally wanted it to say "would be" instead of "is" but forgot to delete the "be".

Personally I fond only one thing wrong with gay marriage.

The bible says that homo-sexuality is a sin, right? SO if we force a priest to perform a same-sex wedding, we force him/her to bless sin, and I don't think that's fair to the priest.

 

[Sandytimeman]

Technically marriage is a church thing. I don't see why they can't have a civil union though. It gives them the same rights as married couples, but the church is not involved.

That is not quiet correct. A Civil Union gay couple still have to file to give each other power of attorney and etc. I've was told on another forum at great length that it literally takes years and thousands of dollars in the US for a Civil Union to equal the rights of a Marriage.

 

[Dags90]

If gay marriage is passed then every church would be required to allow gay weddings.

Rubbish. You couldn't force a church to marry two gays anymore than you could force a church to marry two atheists, or Muslims, etc. My parents couldn't get married in the church they wanted because my mom had been divorced previously and my dad didn't want to get married as a Catholic.

There are also some churches and religions who are ready and waiting to marry gays.

 

[ReservoirAngel]

£100 to anyone who turns up on the doorstep of the Westboro Baptist Church with another guy after gay marriage becomes legal and asks if they will perform the wedding.

An additional £100 if they slap Fred or Shirley.

 

[Necrofudge]

I can't really see the idea that "marriage being between a man and a woman is a tradition" is a good argument.

Personally, I think that tradition just hinders the growth and expansion of society.

How far would people get if, to every new idea, people just say "Hmmph. No. We've always done it this way and no way no how are we ever gonna do it that way."

Also, arguing that allowing gay marriage would lead to protesting in favor of incest, polygamy, and other things doesn't make sense either. I'm pretty sure that the slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy of some sort.

 

[Freechoice]

Of course gay marriage is wrong.

Any situation with marriage is wrong.

 

[GenericPCUser]

The problem roots with people assigning morality to things that cause no negative impact on anything. Is anyone really hurt by shaving? No, but there are quite a few holy books that claim it is evil.

Is anyone really hurt because two guys love each other? No, and the more you try to claim that gay sex hurts you as a person the crazier you sound.

 

[GodofCider]

That is not quiet correct. A Civil Union gay couple still have to file to give each other power of attorney and etc. I've was told on another forum at great length that it literally takes years and thousands of dollars in the US for a Civil Union to equal the rights of a Marriage.

That's just not cool. >_<

 

[ReservoirAngel]

Also, arguing that allowing gay marriage would lead to protesting in favor of incest, polygamy, and other things doesn't make sense either. I'm pretty sure that the slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy of some sort.

If it's not a logical fallacy, it's just a logical fail.

 

[GenericPCUser]

That is not quiet correct. A Civil Union gay couple still have to file to give each other power of attorney and etc. I've was told on another forum at great length that it literally takes years and thousands of dollars in the US for a Civil Union to equal the rights of a Marriage.

That's just not cool. >_<

Civil union rights vary from state to state.

 

[Epitomous Nub]

If you don't think gay marriage is great, you get flamed.

No thanks, I'll pass on this one.

Oh wait, too late. Well, a reason many would think it's wrong.....

'Leviticus 18:22 (King James Version)
22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.'

There ya go. Keep your flame to yourself please. I only quoted the good book.

Now once again, I'm religious as well, but seriously, can you stop just picking out the parts you want to hear and maybe use some common damn sense? Let's look at what else Leviticus has to say:

- "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)

Alright, slavery is not only legal again, but ethically acceptable, sounds good. Now I don't have to pay to have my grass cut and my hedges trimmed.


- "For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)

Did we all follow this rule the human race would be extinct.


- "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." (Leviticus 19:27)

Yup, being clean shaven is a sin. Guess I'm going to hell.


- "...do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19)

Farmers have discovered over the centuries that planting multiple types of crops in the same field in different years severely boosts the fertility of the soil. But some random dude in an ancient book said it was bad, so they must stop or be destroyed.

Also, you're going to hell for that T-shirt your wearing. Even 100% cotton isn't 100% cotton these days.


- "But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:10)

Enjoy lobster? Crab? Clams? Oysters? You're going to hell.

If you don't think gay marriage is great, you get flamed.

No thanks, I'll pass on this one.

Oh wait, too late. Well, a reason many would think it's wrong.....

'Leviticus 18:22 (King James Version)
22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.'

There ya go. Keep your flame to yourself please. I only quoted the good book.

Now once again, I'm religious as well, but seriously, can you stop just picking out the parts you want to hear and maybe use some common damn sense? Let's look at what else Leviticus has to say:

- "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)

Alright, slavery is not only legal again, but ethically acceptable, sounds good. Now I don't have to pay to have my grass cut and my hedges trimmed.


- "For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)

Did we all follow this rule the human race would be extinct.


- "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." (Leviticus 19:27)

Yup, being clean shaven is a sin. Guess I'm going to hell.


- "...do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19)

Farmers have discovered over the centuries that planting multiple types of crops in the same field in different years severely boosts the fertility of the soil. But some random dude in an ancient book said it was bad, so they must stop or be destroyed.

Also, you're going to hell for that T-shirt your wearing. Even 100% cotton isn't 100% cotton these days.


- "But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:10)

Enjoy lobster? Crab? Clams? Oysters? You're going to hell.

This is something for a completely different thread, and I would love to discuss this (I find theological discussions fun and fascinating) but it's late, and I could write paragraphs regarding each of those verses and the interpretation.

Basically, we need to keep this on topic ie. arguments against gay marriage.

 

[direkiller]

Because their religion says so.

They usually conveniently overlook the fact that I am not of their religion when making these sorts of statements.

I can only speak for moderate Christians but there is nothing in the new testament that is against gay marriage. The fundies get all of their ant-gay talking points from the old testament, which is an interesting read and important to know where we come from but is for the most part rendered moot by the new testament.

the fundies also get it from Paul
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law#Christian_natural_law
summed up as any sex where a kid can not be conceived is hated by god and therefor is bad(also relates to masterbation,anal,oral,condoms, ecd)

this is where the "its unnatural" argument is from(despite it mostly being used for homophobia sake and people asuming no outher anamal on earth has homosexual relationships
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