Is there any REASON gay marriage is wrong?

[meryatathagres]

first Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

http://www.otkenyer.hu/halsall/lgbh-cortim.html

Translators translate according to their own agenda. Islam got at least one thing right. It's only official if you read it in Arabic.

Its especially obvious and funny when said words or definitions did not exist in said language at the time. If we'd go for colloquial english, I think a "homosexual offender" would be a man raping men. There really is no reason to add the qualifier "offender" if "homosexual" by itself is criminal and sinful.

ps. you might wanna google up all the various translations there are of that particular passage, as aside from the topic, you get some rather interesting other results as well.

pps. You are technically right tho, in that you have read it.

 

[ImmortalDrifter]

From a purely scientific point of view, kids should be taught that heterosexuality is the way it should work. Because it is. Nothing homophobic about it. Homosexual people shouldn't be persecuted, but ya know, future of the species and all.

I'm pretty sure that homosexuals were not taught to be homosexuals. If a child is heterosexual, that means he won't be able t get it up for another guy/gal and if he/she can, then he/she was gay all along.

Besides, there are enough straight people around to not worry about extinction.

The last point is valid, but the whole "being gay is a choice" argument is one I really don't want to get into with a the presence of certain people in this forum.

 

[ReservoirAngel]

From a purely scientific point of view, kids should be taught that heterosexuality is the way it should work. Because it is. Nothing homophobic about it. Homosexual people shouldn't be persecuted, but ya know, future of the species and all.

Except that's a naturalistic fallacy (what is, ought to be) and ignores the current existence of artificial insemination and adoption programs.

In a way yes, but it's my personal belief that kids should have both a male and female parent, so issues like gender confusion can be avoided.

I never get the "gender confusion" thing. What, some boy with 2 mums is gonna grow up thinking he's a chick? Seriously, I don't get it.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

(Haven?t read the entire form, so forgive me if something like this was posted)

If by legal you mean that any church/group that preformed heterosexual marriages would have to, under the law, preform a marriage for two men or two women, under the force of the law, then no. You can?t force people to like each other.

If by legal you mean that they could, by any church that wanted to, get married, then I don?t really care. I wouldn?t vote in favor of it, and I doubt I would vote against it.

Also, I really, REALLY, wish people would stop using ?homophobic? and ?bigoted? interchangeably.

ho?mo?pho?bi?a
?noun
unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.

big?ot?ry
?noun, plural -ries.
1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

 

[GenericPCUser]

I never get the "gender confusion" thing. What, some boy with 2 mums is gonna grow up thinking he's a chick? Seriously, I don't get it.

Gender confusion is linked to genetics or severe psychological trauma related to their gender identity.

There is no way a same sex couple could accidentally confuse a child about what they are.

 

[Dags90]

In a way yes, but it's my personal belief that kids should have both a male and female parent, so issues like gender confusion can be avoided.

You know people can have non-parental role models, right? I doubt any child would be gender confused due to lack of exposure to social norms as long as they went to school and interacted with other people. Gender roles are pervasive.

The last point is valid, but the whole "being gay is a choice" argument is one I really don't want to get into with a the presence of certain people in this forum.

Is it wrong to assume that "certain people" largely includes "gay people".

 

[Duskflamer]

Honestly speaking here, allow gay marriage (or gay unions or gay muffinbaskets or whatever you want to call them as long as it's legally identical to marriage) into law, but don't force religious organizations to accept them. The first amendment gives us freedom of religion and protection from religion, a religion should be free to bar gays (or blacks, or women, or people with long hair, or what have you) from joining them, but these same religions should not be able to stop those or any group from having legal rights. As far as I'm concerned, Christians can rant about how homosexualiy is a sin as much as they damn well please, as long as it doesn't stop same sex couples from being married.

 

[blankedboy]

I don't get marriage in the first place, but they might as well legalise it for gays if it's already available to straight people.

Aw hell yeah, there's a Daedric "V" in my captcha. This is where playing WAY too much Morrowind pays off

before humans are humans, they are animals.
and the mission of every animal on earth is to reproduce.
gay marriage is wrong because it does not fulfill this purpose.

Wow, you're one of the worst trolls I've ever seen. Get off the site -.-

 

[ReservoirAngel]

I never get the "gender confusion" thing. What, some boy with 2 mums is gonna grow up thinking he's a chick? Seriously, I don't get it.

Gender confusion is linked to genetics or severe psychological trauma related to their gender identity.

There is no way a same sex couple could accidentally confuse a child about what they are.

...Soo...same-sex couples adopting kids can't cause it?

 

[spacecowboy86]

2. As a christian it is wrong. The bible says in multiple places that men who give into lust for each other deserve the same fate as men who give into lust for a woman, and that no homosexuals will inherit the kingdom of god.

Alright, so no Christian homosexuals. What about all the people in the world who don't follow Christianity?

I thought about putting this in my initial post but couldn't think of how to word it just right.
I do not aprove of it, but realize not everyone is christian and have the right to believe in what they want. It's like having a friend, or in this case a fellow human being, who you see doing something you know is wrong but they won't listen to you. Now I, once again, find myself searching for a proper sentence to say "I care, but I know people won't understand why I care" because as a christian I'm just trying to prevent them from going to hell, but they don't believe in hell so... I don't know what to say.

 

[Russian_Assassin]

The last point is valid, but the whole "being gay is a choice" argument is one I really don't want to get into with a the presence of certain people in this forum.

Being gay is not a choice. Suppressing your sexuality, however, is and as any psychologist will tell you, it is not healthy for your mental health to be in denial (I don't actually mean "your", I am speaking generally).

But if you don't want to get in this argument, I won't force you.

 

[ImmortalDrifter]

I never get the "gender confusion" thing. What, some boy with 2 mums is gonna grow up thinking he's a chick? Seriously, I don't get it.

A kid being raised by 2 parents of the opposite gender is kinda screwed up (forgive me for saying that, but girls need a mom and guys need a dad) It's possible but not likely (concerning gender confusion), my beliefs aren't strong enough to do anything about it, it's their life not mine.

 

[Wintermoot]

none!
(although ultra conservative,s are convinced that it would start WWIII, a communist invasion and the wrath of god)
the reason it,s forbidden in the USA is because the government cant separate church and state!

 

[ImmortalDrifter]

The last point is valid, but the whole "being gay is a choice" argument is one I really don't want to get into with a the presence of certain people in this forum.

Being gay is not a choice. Suppressing your sexuality, however, is and as any psychologist will tell you, it is not healthy for your mental health to be in denial (I don't actually mean "your", I am speaking generally).

But if you don't want to get in this argument, I won't force you.

I don't think its a choice for the majority, but I'm sure at least some people fake it to get attention, be defiant etc.

 

[GenericPCUser]

I never get the "gender confusion" thing. What, some boy with 2 mums is gonna grow up thinking he's a chick? Seriously, I don't get it.

Gender confusion is linked to genetics or severe psychological trauma related to their gender identity.

There is no way a same sex couple could accidentally confuse a child about what they are.

...Soo...same-sex couples adopting kids can't cause it?

Look, gender confusion couldn't even be caused when EVERYONE in the child's immediate family tried to induce it, it's not something you can just do by accidentally giving a boy a doll or dressing your daughter in a baseball cap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

 

[Dags90]

I don't think its a choice for the majority, but I'm sure at least some people fake it to get attention, be defiant etc.

Faking it isn't actually being it though. So are you actually saying that being gay isn't a choice?

 

[Renegade-pizza]

They're humans. They have rights. If we don't give them those basic rights, were no better than 3rd world dictators. Also, Homosexuality isn't a choice! It also exists under animals.Note: I'm for gay marriage. Being a homosexual is a genetic defect, literally.We don't say that handicapped people shouldn't be allowed to marry, why them?

 

[ReservoirAngel]

The last point is valid, but the whole "being gay is a choice" argument is one I really don't want to get into with a the presence of certain people in this forum.

Being gay is not a choice. Suppressing your sexuality, however, is and as any psychologist will tell you, it is not healthy for your mental health to be in denial (I don't actually mean "your", I am speaking generally).

But if you don't want to get in this argument, I won't force you.

I don't think its a choice for the majority, but I'm sure at least some people fake it to get attention, be defiant etc.

If they WANT to act gay, even if it's just to "fake it", they're at least a little bit gay already.

But if they are only faking it for attention, they can't be considered gay, just idiots.

 

[GenericPCUser]

They're humans. They have rights. If we don't give them those basic rights, were no better than 3rd world dictators. Also, Homosexuality isn't a choice! It also exists under animals.Note: I'm for gay marriage. Being a homosexual is a genetic defect, literally.We don't say that handicapped people shouldn't be allowed to marry, why them?

Thanks? I think...

You really know how to throw out a back-handed compliment...

 

[Russian_Assassin]

I don't think its a choice for the majority, but I'm sure at least some people fake it to get attention, be defiant etc.

I am talking about humans, my dear ImmortalDrifter, not about attention seeking bags of shit. I don't like to include such cases in my arguments, but I guess I should always exclude 1% as a margin of error

Ok, on reflection, those bags are people too, but attention whores are a page from another chapter, not to be analyzed in this thread.