Do I need to go on a long, technical rant on "musical genius" and musical trash, based off of my classically trained ear?Lordmarkus said:
Is There Such Thing as Bad Music...
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D:Hitman 43 said:
HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT!
That song may be bad on its own, but it's been used in the most EPIC ways.
It's dependent on opinion, so yes, there is bad music. In "x person"'s opinion.
Hey, I like that song... It's a good work-out song.
On topic, the answer is obvious. It's a matter of opinion. Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber are the top of the charts for weeks. I don't like them. Most of my friends don't like them. But a lot of people do. Any music has a certain audience. You just aren't part of that audience.
On topic, the answer is obvious. It's a matter of opinion. Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber are the top of the charts for weeks. I don't like them. Most of my friends don't like them. But a lot of people do. Any music has a certain audience. You just aren't part of that audience.
Structure? Did you not just narrow the whole theory down or are you referring to the whole theory as a "structure"?minoes said:
Because: if I am to cling to this definition there is very little sound that is bad music. Even with music which mostly works around one theme of music. I've heard works purely working with timbre or rhythm or whatever called with pejorative terms, even non-music. Yet they sign the definition.
Flawed structure; by this, do you mean stutters in the creation of a traditional "song" or lack of a structure in any kind of work?
I do not think there is anything to be enjoyed in using categories "good" and "bad" on music. I find the amount of interest a piece incites as adequate to describe a musical piece.
Bad Music that is available for purchase is very rare, as it is so subjective.
If you record yourself strangling a guitar and screaming the lyrics to the Barbie song, that's legitimately bad music. However, it doesn't count for the purposes of this discussion.
Even Justin Bieber music isn't truly awful. I can't bring myself to listen to it for more then a bit, but there's a back beat, and the lyrics are designed to appeal to a demographic, which they do.
If you record yourself strangling a guitar and screaming the lyrics to the Barbie song, that's legitimately bad music. However, it doesn't count for the purposes of this discussion.
Even Justin Bieber music isn't truly awful. I can't bring myself to listen to it for more then a bit, but there's a back beat, and the lyrics are designed to appeal to a demographic, which they do.
Yes. For example, crunkcore music is designed to be objectively bad. I can't comment on the ilk of Hannah Montana, the Jonas Brothers, or Justin Bieber because, so far, I've avoided listening to any of their songs knowingly.
It's mostly opinion based, but there is bad music, like there is bad anything. You know, it could be just bad, in every way. Tuneless, out of time, messy, that sort of thing.
I'm not sure an music is entirely bad but i judge how music is good on
1. how much i like it and it appeals to me
2. the technique the artist used and and the work/spirit he put into making it, i would have more respect for music that has soul
3. for what purpose the music has been made
1. how much i like it and it appeals to me
2. the technique the artist used and and the work/spirit he put into making it, i would have more respect for music that has soul
3. for what purpose the music has been made
I take it you don't like music very much, then.minoes said:
I honestly find BrokeNCYDE far more entertaining than T.I. or most "real" screamo bands like Orchid and Circle Takes the Square. There's boring bad and then there's stupid funny bad, and BrokeNCYDE definitely aren't boring.Midnight Crossroads said:
Look up "Prom Queen" by Li'l Wayne, it is the worst song ever, and I cannot find a single person who likes it.
I think there is music that the majority of the population dislikes or at least everyone except the target audience. For example Justin Beiber and the complete lack of sensible lyrics. The word "Baby" and some high pitched moaning does not a song make.
But see that is my opinion. He still has milions, all his his target audience, but still millions.
There is music that takes little talent.
For example, some of the early Beatles stuff was extremely simple. And you know what? I love it all. It would later become the Pop genre. What people forget is Pop is short for popular so whatever the popular style of music that is popular at the time can be considered pop.
When I put my Beatles CD's into itunes some of it was classified as pop, not rock.
MORAL OF STORY:
All music has fans, amount of talent required or not. Even if it only requires a high pitched voice, or on the other note if it just needs to be catchy. Wether it be Lady Gaga and her pop, or early Beatles music from albums like Please Please Me.
If they didn't have fans, the band would fail because they wouldn't have money to continue playing. Implying that somebody thinks the music is good.
But see that is my opinion. He still has milions, all his his target audience, but still millions.
There is music that takes little talent.
For example, some of the early Beatles stuff was extremely simple. And you know what? I love it all. It would later become the Pop genre. What people forget is Pop is short for popular so whatever the popular style of music that is popular at the time can be considered pop.
When I put my Beatles CD's into itunes some of it was classified as pop, not rock.
MORAL OF STORY:
All music has fans, amount of talent required or not. Even if it only requires a high pitched voice, or on the other note if it just needs to be catchy. Wether it be Lady Gaga and her pop, or early Beatles music from albums like Please Please Me.
If they didn't have fans, the band would fail because they wouldn't have money to continue playing. Implying that somebody thinks the music is good.
Yes, there is. Some music is masterfully and painstakingly constructed. Even if you don't appreciate the genre, you can appreciate that it's a fantastically constructed piece of music. I'm not a big rap fan, but MF Doom, Madvillain, Big Boi and Andre 3000 are making brilliant music that's doing something for the genre. Drake, Akon, 50 Cent, for example, are NOT. They're writing shit generic music that's doing nothing new and nothing interesting or original.
The same's true for metal. Trivium, Bullet for my Valentine, and Avenged Sevenfold, among others, are writing music for money, and doing nothing that hasn't already been mastered by the creators of the genre. (A7X at one point were writing interesting music but they've forsaken that now). At the same time, you have pioneer's like Protest the Hero, Between The Buried and Me, Coheed & Cambria and Cancer Bats doing things that have their own unique sounds, without hugging the genre too closely, and at the same time, a mastery of their instruments. You won't find a drummer on that level outside of Coheed, some of Cancer Bat's dischordant riffs are completely unique, and BTBAM... well. Give Swim to the Moon a listen and you'd understand.
The same's true for metal. Trivium, Bullet for my Valentine, and Avenged Sevenfold, among others, are writing music for money, and doing nothing that hasn't already been mastered by the creators of the genre. (A7X at one point were writing interesting music but they've forsaken that now). At the same time, you have pioneer's like Protest the Hero, Between The Buried and Me, Coheed & Cambria and Cancer Bats doing things that have their own unique sounds, without hugging the genre too closely, and at the same time, a mastery of their instruments. You won't find a drummer on that level outside of Coheed, some of Cancer Bat's dischordant riffs are completely unique, and BTBAM... well. Give Swim to the Moon a listen and you'd understand.