I am a die hard starwars fan, and yes, episode one was a little off, but the prequals were just as good as 4,5,6. Now that cartoon movie...... THAT was shit
Is this why people hate the Star Wars prequels?!
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The prequels where already doomed the moment they were PREQUELS .. there's no tension no plot twist .. you already know the outcome, yeah .. you don't know every detail but you know how it's gonna end, that anaking goes dark and all that.
Really, what was the point of the prequels ? to see how it happened ? well it was very disappointing in that respect especially when it comes to Anakin's fall to the dark side, it wasn't very well written.
Really, what was the point of the prequels ? to see how it happened ? well it was very disappointing in that respect especially when it comes to Anakin's fall to the dark side, it wasn't very well written.
Hayden Christensen can not act to save Padmé's life. It absolutely terrible that every emotion is delivered with the same constipated look on his face. It ruins the second one and brings the 3rd one down from what could have been great. Also only one of the characters is likable. On top of that there is no suspense in the films its all going to a very predictable end.
They were just bad films. Bad pacing, bad characterization, bad acting and dialog. Sure there were effects (but then seemed like throwing stuff at the screen and that will pass in 10-20 years) but it lacked any charm of the originals.
On midiclorians (sp?) the issue I had was it moved a type of training to genetics, so no longer were the Jedi this group of wise sage warriors like sort of space samurai. No, you were born "special", no wonder they fell if all that is required is blood. Explain why they sat around debating trade issues instead of freeing slaves.
I'm not going to say no one can enjoy them, but really surprised (and old I guess) to read people actually prefer the new ones over the old ones.
On midiclorians (sp?) the issue I had was it moved a type of training to genetics, so no longer were the Jedi this group of wise sage warriors like sort of space samurai. No, you were born "special", no wonder they fell if all that is required is blood. Explain why they sat around debating trade issues instead of freeing slaves.
I'm not going to say no one can enjoy them, but really surprised (and old I guess) to read people actually prefer the new ones over the old ones.
OK if you haven't seen this yet:
these two reviews will tell you very precisely why the prequel trilogy sucks so much
Episode 1: http://www.youtube.com/user/redlettermedia?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/1/FxKtZmQgxrI
Episode 2: http://www.youtube.com/user/redlettermedia?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/0/CfBhi6qqFLA
If you still love the prequel after that... well good for you I guess...
these two reviews will tell you very precisely why the prequel trilogy sucks so much
Episode 1: http://www.youtube.com/user/redlettermedia?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/1/FxKtZmQgxrI
Episode 2: http://www.youtube.com/user/redlettermedia?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/0/CfBhi6qqFLA
If you still love the prequel after that... well good for you I guess...
But then again.... you're 20 ... I liked star wars at the time... but you'll grow up eventually haha
I think the prequels are alright. I had always loved the original trilogy as a kid but when I re watched them recently I wanted to bore the brains out of my skull because I was so bored. Seriously it amazes me that the fans can be so zealous over these films. I'd say quality wise they're about even.
But none of this matters since I found that the 2003 Clone Wars cartoon series was far better than both and episodes were only like 5 minutes long. Huh.
But none of this matters since I found that the 2003 Clone Wars cartoon series was far better than both and episodes were only like 5 minutes long. Huh.
The reason people hate the prequels is a combination of things.
1) No continuity. Lucas pulls stuff out of his @$$ to create the prequels and spent millions of dollars but it seems like he didn't even watch his own movies.
2) Demystification of the Force was a bad idea. That was part of the flavor of what made Jedi an enigma, something that people didn't really understand.
3) The acting was pretty horrible, and the dialogue was atrocious. In the originals someone else did the screen play, Lucas should have rehired those writers to make the new movies a little better at least.
4) Lucas decided that he had to try and explain everything, and in doing so, destroyed a lot of the quality he had in the first movies, where he left a lot unexplained, so that your imagination could pick it up and run with it.
5) Action > Story idea flopped, at least for me. There were a couple of profound moments in the movies but he tried to center everything on special effects at the expense of the story...which really made them suck compared to the originals.
6) Comic relief? To me Jar Jar was annoying but some people hate him. I can somewhat understand comic relief to release some tension, but you have to build dramatic tension first.....
7) Anakin's fall was ridiculously overacted and underdeveloped. Lucas tried to force us to believe that Anakin had this huge fall into darkness because of a love interest...of which the relationship was shakily evolved at best. Apparently Anakin is a 15 year old boy who lost his first girlfriend. He is supposed to be a villian, but there was no complexity to his story. The only reason I bought episode III was because I read the novelization by Matthew Stover, which did a really good job of letting you see into Anakin's world and his real, thought out, and evolved motivations for turning to the dark side.
8) No character development. All of the characters were flat...except maybe Palpatine, he was probably the most developed character of them all, and Obi Wan got some love.
9) Killing off really cool villians. Why? Why must every cool villian die in a retarded way George Lucas? Boba first, now Darth Maul, and Jango? After an immensely good battle with Obi Wan in ep II Jango fumbles around like an awkward adolescent before getting his head sliced off. He's not only a Mandalorian, but the best bounty hunter in the galaxy and he's dropped in 2 seconds? Really...maybe have some consistency with your own plot? Darth Maul...trained basically to kill Jedi, is killed because he forgets that Obi Wan has the ability to pull a lightsaber to his hand, and that he can use the force to jump too? He killed a Jedi Master while fighting his padawan too, but the padawan can take him...really?
I could go into more, but these are some of the biggest flaws, and reasons that not only me, but pretty much everyone I've talked to who loved the originals, find horrible about the prequels.
1) No continuity. Lucas pulls stuff out of his @$$ to create the prequels and spent millions of dollars but it seems like he didn't even watch his own movies.
2) Demystification of the Force was a bad idea. That was part of the flavor of what made Jedi an enigma, something that people didn't really understand.
3) The acting was pretty horrible, and the dialogue was atrocious. In the originals someone else did the screen play, Lucas should have rehired those writers to make the new movies a little better at least.
4) Lucas decided that he had to try and explain everything, and in doing so, destroyed a lot of the quality he had in the first movies, where he left a lot unexplained, so that your imagination could pick it up and run with it.
5) Action > Story idea flopped, at least for me. There were a couple of profound moments in the movies but he tried to center everything on special effects at the expense of the story...which really made them suck compared to the originals.
6) Comic relief? To me Jar Jar was annoying but some people hate him. I can somewhat understand comic relief to release some tension, but you have to build dramatic tension first.....
7) Anakin's fall was ridiculously overacted and underdeveloped. Lucas tried to force us to believe that Anakin had this huge fall into darkness because of a love interest...of which the relationship was shakily evolved at best. Apparently Anakin is a 15 year old boy who lost his first girlfriend. He is supposed to be a villian, but there was no complexity to his story. The only reason I bought episode III was because I read the novelization by Matthew Stover, which did a really good job of letting you see into Anakin's world and his real, thought out, and evolved motivations for turning to the dark side.
8) No character development. All of the characters were flat...except maybe Palpatine, he was probably the most developed character of them all, and Obi Wan got some love.
9) Killing off really cool villians. Why? Why must every cool villian die in a retarded way George Lucas? Boba first, now Darth Maul, and Jango? After an immensely good battle with Obi Wan in ep II Jango fumbles around like an awkward adolescent before getting his head sliced off. He's not only a Mandalorian, but the best bounty hunter in the galaxy and he's dropped in 2 seconds? Really...maybe have some consistency with your own plot? Darth Maul...trained basically to kill Jedi, is killed because he forgets that Obi Wan has the ability to pull a lightsaber to his hand, and that he can use the force to jump too? He killed a Jedi Master while fighting his padawan too, but the padawan can take him...really?
I could go into more, but these are some of the biggest flaws, and reasons that not only me, but pretty much everyone I've talked to who loved the originals, find horrible about the prequels.
Ok I haven't read through all the replies here but here's why I think people hate them (apologies if it's been said already). The bulk of your hardcore Star Wars fans grew up with this stuff. Then as they got older their tastes and sophistication level changed. Granted Lucas completely lost is f-ing mind on some things.. Ya George you know what you did... But still I love the franchise. But even now when I go back to watch the originals, it's lost something. Don't get me wrong. They are still the standard to judge all other sci fi movies against but some of the magic is lost.
Ultimately I think it's us (the fans) that changed. These movies were always supposed to be for 12 year olds.
Ultimately I think it's us (the fans) that changed. These movies were always supposed to be for 12 year olds.
Actually there is more to it than you think. Think about what it says of how your initial response to the character changes if he goes from shooting Greedo in cold blood, to reacting in self defense. Without looking at how changing it breaks the consistency of the character through the whole trilogy, lets just look at the one instance.Blindswordmaster said:
If it's cold blooded killing, it shows that he's not above taking action, even ruthless, emotionless killing to remove an obstacle, which is completely in character with his egotistical personality. It also shows that he's not someone who can be fully trusted, because he's always looking out for Numero Uno, so questions of how loyal he will be immediately springs to mind. He can't be controlled, you can't force his hand, because he may just shoot you and walk away.
On the other hand, if it's self defense, then it shows a completely different characterization. He's now more passive, more go with the flow, and will only take it upon himself to remove the obstacle when it threatens his life directly. He's now someone who you can probably control or push around, as long as you don't cross the line by taking a potshot at him.
It may not seem like much, but apparently the heads at Lucasfilm thought that it was important enough to re-characterize Han Solo on that point, and no other point in the trilogy. Lucas himself said that they wanted to change it because it made him seem so much less ruthless. He goes from being an "alpha male" aggressiveness to a "beta male" passivity.
That's why Han Shot First. Nerd rage over.
A lot of ideas were cut from the original. The biggest problem with the prequels is that George Lucas was the guy who made Star Wars, no longer a relatively unknown. During the filming of the original three - ideas were bounced around set, actors were free to improv, technical restrictions lead to creativity and because of all that we got three far superior films. George never wanted Han to shoot first, but that scene makes him a far more interesting character then if he shoots Greedo in self defense.iNsAnEHAV0C said:
So he did plan it from the beginning. A good writer would never include it the prequels, because now it makes no sense that no one in the original films knows about them or mentions them. It's the same problem with shoehorning in R2D2 and Chewbacca into the prequels, you introduce holes into your plot and the logic of your universe.
Red Letter Media's reviews and Darth and Droids [http://www.darthsanddroids.net/] are some of the few good things to come about because of those films.Darkside360 said: