It's been confirmed; Xbox one wil block used games.

[Crazy Zaul]

How is this gonna work for rental? Will the rental company pay extra for rental disks/licences or whatever or will the customer have to pay the used game unlock on top of the rental fee?

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

As I said in the Live Reveal thread, just looks like this three horse race got knocked down to two.

The conference was pretty terrible in general, and this is the last thing they needed on top of it. If they're actually going to go down the route of trying to get people to pay a fee to play used games, then they've taken themselves out of the console race. No-one's going to pick up a console if they can't play second-hand games on it.

No shit, I'm ASTOUNDED. I thought Sony dropping PS3 BC with the PS4 was stupid, but MS is basically charging used games, not having BC, AND making it so your digital game purchases won't transfer. Oh, but you get to keep your GAMERSCORE! Seriously, fuck this. Looks like Nintendo is in a prime position for this fall.

 

[aba1]

As I said in the Live Reveal thread, just looks like this three horse race got knocked down to two.

How cute, you still think that Nintendo remains in the race. <3 xD

They're not blocking used games, have free online multiplayer, and are focusing on games over America-only TV services.

They're more in the race than Microsoft at this point. Microsoft has not just shat all over the non-US consumerbase, they've shat over any gamer who ever thinks of buying a game second hand. Nintendo look like fucking saints compared to this. Sony will as well as long as they don't allow publishers to pull any DRM shenanigans on PS4.

I agree with what you said except that none of these things are pluses. Nintendo is just wining because they are doing the job they are supposed to be doing adequately while Microsoft is doing poorly. Its like rewarding them for doing the bare-minimum.

 

[Cabisco]

I'm going to wait for Microsoft to comment on this first because we really seem to love our over the top conspiracy theories of late and I suspect this one is again not quite the truth, just a case of paranoia induced handbag warfare.

I expect it to be something more like:

If you can now install a game and not use a disc this means thats a huge market companies could loose as just one copy could be shared around a bunch of friends. To curb this and retain the cool new feature the discs will likely only be allowed to be installed to one console/account and if you friend wants this he has the option to buy the game there and then rather than go buy his own disc so he doesn't need a disc.

Yeah, I bet it's that. Then we can move on to thinking that those 300,000 servers are actually skynet.

 

[Diablo1099_v1legacy]

....Wow...They chrage you for used games?...
I have no words...

Also, is the money from the Pre-Owned Fee going to the company of the game or Mircosoft?

 

[Legendairy314]

My plan for this generation is to catch up on all the consoles I've been missing and invest anything I would have used on a console for my PC. These new consoles aren't making me regret this decision in the slightest.

EDIT: PS4 is still an option here. I'm just waiting for E3 until I even consider any consoles.

 

[WeepingAngels]

I'm going to wait for Microsoft to comment on this first because we really seem to love our over the top conspiracy theories of late and I suspect this one is again not quite the truth, just a case of paranoia induced handbag warfare.

I expect it to be something more like:

If you can now install a game and not use a disc this means thats a huge market companies could loose as just one copy could be shared around a bunch of friends. To curb this and retain the cool new feature the discs will likely only be allowed to be installed to one console/account and if you friend wants this he has the option to buy the game there and then rather than go buy his own disc so he doesn't need a disc.

Yeah, I bet it's that. Then we can move on to thinking that those 300,000 servers are actually skynet.

You didn't address used games here at all.

 

[Eve Charm]

meh I'll still buy one for exclusives anyway at some point for the few good exclusives it will have.

PC and PS4 probably tho if I have to deal with all this disc crap.

 

[Cabisco]

I'm going to wait for Microsoft to comment on this first because we really seem to love our over the top conspiracy theories of late and I suspect this one is again not quite the truth, just a case of paranoia induced handbag warfare.

I expect it to be something more like:

If you can now install a game and not use a disc this means thats a huge market companies could loose as just one copy could be shared around a bunch of friends. To curb this and retain the cool new feature the discs will likely only be allowed to be installed to one console/account and if you friend wants this he has the option to buy the game there and then rather than go buy his own disc so he doesn't need a disc.

Yeah, I bet it's that. Then we can move on to thinking that those 300,000 servers are actually skynet.

You didn't address used games here at all.

Ok fine, I read the original post about making us pay for used games. Then I witnessed everyone going apeshit because it sounded like Microsoft just attempted to kill Gamestop etc. Then I suggested a logical explanation for what this 'fee' actually is regarding used games, not a blanket 'no used games' as everyone is assuming but rather a way to implement a new system whilst making sure it doesn't drastically dent game sales.

I made a point about the fee system which is in the OP, here is the quote from the OP 'The new xbox will require a fee for you to play pre-owned games'. I'm suggesting this fee is in regards to installing games without the disc.

I... I'm not sure how much more clear I can be about that, the used game market is massive and microsoft need retailers like gamestop etc to stock their games they are hardly going to murder that market for the lulz.

Understand?

 

[Eve Charm]

At least from the articles they never did say anything about being able to play the game off the disc, they more said it needed to be installed. and if it needs to be installed to play it, you can't give it to a friend or sell it.

 

[WeepingAngels]

I'm going to wait for Microsoft to comment on this first because we really seem to love our over the top conspiracy theories of late and I suspect this one is again not quite the truth, just a case of paranoia induced handbag warfare.

I expect it to be something more like:

If you can now install a game and not use a disc this means thats a huge market companies could loose as just one copy could be shared around a bunch of friends. To curb this and retain the cool new feature the discs will likely only be allowed to be installed to one console/account and if you friend wants this he has the option to buy the game there and then rather than go buy his own disc so he doesn't need a disc.

Yeah, I bet it's that. Then we can move on to thinking that those 300,000 servers are actually skynet.

You didn't address used games here at all.

Ok fine, I read the original post about making us pay for used games. Then I witnessed everyone going apeshit because it sounded like Microsoft just attempted to kill Gamestop etc. Then I suggested a logical explanation for what this 'fee' actually is regarding used games, not a blanket 'no used games' as everyone is assuming but rather a way to implement a new system whilst making sure it doesn't drastically dent game sales.

I made a point about the fee system which is in the OP, here is the quote from the OP 'The new xbox will require a fee for you to play pre-owned games'. I'm suggesting this fee is in regards to installing games without the disc.

I... I'm not sure how much more clear I can be about that, the used game market is massive and microsoft need retailers like gamestop etc to stock their games they are hardly going to murder that market for the lulz.

Understand?

It will work like current online passes work. I am not even sure where this line of thinking comes from:

I'm suggesting this fee is in regards to installing games without the disc.

 

[MysticSlayer]

I made a point about the fee system which is in the OP, here is the quote from the OP 'The new xbox will require a fee for you to play pre-owned games'. I'm suggesting this fee is in regards to installing games without the disc.

I... I'm not sure how much more clear I can be about that, the used game market is massive and microsoft need retailers like gamestop etc to stock their games they are hardly going to murder that market for the lulz.

Understand?

Well, the subtitle of the article says: "Mandatory game installation required for all games; second install on separate Live account sits behind paywall". Also this:

"On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play," a Microsoft representative told Wired. (emphasis added)

indicates that it will be necessary to install the game. Consequently, it appears that anything from buying the game from Gamestop to sharing the game among friends will require you to pay the extra fee.

Sure, it sounds ridiculous, but it isn't like this is the first time any game company has been antagonistic towards used game sales or pursued a business model meant to limit those sales and profit from those that do take place.

 

[Cabisco]

I'm going to wait for Microsoft to comment on this first because we really seem to love our over the top conspiracy theories of late and I suspect this one is again not quite the truth, just a case of paranoia induced handbag warfare.

I expect it to be something more like:

If you can now install a game and not use a disc this means thats a huge market companies could loose as just one copy could be shared around a bunch of friends. To curb this and retain the cool new feature the discs will likely only be allowed to be installed to one console/account and if you friend wants this he has the option to buy the game there and then rather than go buy his own disc so he doesn't need a disc.

Yeah, I bet it's that. Then we can move on to thinking that those 300,000 servers are actually skynet.

You didn't address used games here at all.

Ok fine, I read the original post about making us pay for used games. Then I witnessed everyone going apeshit because it sounded like Microsoft just attempted to kill Gamestop etc. Then I suggested a logical explanation for what this 'fee' actually is regarding used games, not a blanket 'no used games' as everyone is assuming but rather a way to implement a new system whilst making sure it doesn't drastically dent game sales.

I made a point about the fee system which is in the OP, here is the quote from the OP 'The new xbox will require a fee for you to play pre-owned games'. I'm suggesting this fee is in regards to installing games without the disc.

I... I'm not sure how much more clear I can be about that, the used game market is massive and microsoft need retailers like gamestop etc to stock their games they are hardly going to murder that market for the lulz.

Understand?

It will work like current online passes work. I am not even sure where this line of thinking comes from:

I'm suggesting this fee is in regards to installing games without the disc.

This line of thinking comes from the article, that thing in the OP this discussion is based on:

It added: "Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc."

Note the parts that mention 'option to pay a fee and install the game' and 'play it without the disc'.

 

[Cabisco]

snip

Firstly potential double post apology. Secondly yeah I noticed that too but I'm assuming/hoping that its just Microsoft being useless at getting information across and that the 'paywall' is for use without the disc. Hopefully this will be clarified as it would be moronic of microsoft to do such a thing but I am of the opinion they wouldn't do it. You are correct though, it certainly wouldn't be the first time this has happened but it would be the most retarded.

 

[Talshere]

Whoo, looks like PS4 is going to get a boost in sales by this announcement. haha

Nah they will do the same. This has been a long time coming.

Ultimately, the blame lies on Gamestop, Game, Gamestation etc. who refused to let the pub's in on the 2nd hand market. Now they will pay the price for their greed.

 

[WeepingAngels]

I'm going to wait for Microsoft to comment on this first because we really seem to love our over the top conspiracy theories of late and I suspect this one is again not quite the truth, just a case of paranoia induced handbag warfare.

I expect it to be something more like:

If you can now install a game and not use a disc this means thats a huge market companies could loose as just one copy could be shared around a bunch of friends. To curb this and retain the cool new feature the discs will likely only be allowed to be installed to one console/account and if you friend wants this he has the option to buy the game there and then rather than go buy his own disc so he doesn't need a disc.

Yeah, I bet it's that. Then we can move on to thinking that those 300,000 servers are actually skynet.

You didn't address used games here at all.

Ok fine, I read the original post about making us pay for used games. Then I witnessed everyone going apeshit because it sounded like Microsoft just attempted to kill Gamestop etc. Then I suggested a logical explanation for what this 'fee' actually is regarding used games, not a blanket 'no used games' as everyone is assuming but rather a way to implement a new system whilst making sure it doesn't drastically dent game sales.

I made a point about the fee system which is in the OP, here is the quote from the OP 'The new xbox will require a fee for you to play pre-owned games'. I'm suggesting this fee is in regards to installing games without the disc.

I... I'm not sure how much more clear I can be about that, the used game market is massive and microsoft need retailers like gamestop etc to stock their games they are hardly going to murder that market for the lulz.

Understand?

It will work like current online passes work. I am not even sure where this line of thinking comes from:

I'm suggesting this fee is in regards to installing games without the disc.

This line of thinking comes from the article, that thing in the OP this discussion is based on:

It added: "Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc."

Note the parts that mention 'option to pay a fee and install the game' and 'play it without the disc'.

To me that says that it's going to work exactly like the online pass system works now. The SECOND buyer will pay the fee, not the FIRST buyer. The first buyer would still have the game installed and may be able to play it so long as it remains installed and they may even be able to redownload it. After all, do you lose your online pass when you sell a current gen game? No.

Let me break it down like this:

Person A buys game new. Installs it and has it added to his Live account (just like Steam).
Person A sells game to Gamestop.
Person B buys used game
Person B has to buy a pass to play the game and then has it added to his Live account.

On and on and on.... It's a system wide online pass system. Whether person A can continue to play the game is anyone's guess. Maybe the game will be deactivated on their account the next time they go online.

 

[WeepingAngels]

Whoo, looks like PS4 is going to get a boost in sales by this announcement. haha

Nah they will do the same. This has been a long time coming.

Ultimately, the blame lies on Gamestop, Game, Gamestation etc. who refused to let the pub's in on the 2nd hand market. Now they will pay the price for their greed.

Right and Paramount should get a cut when I sell a DVD?

The blame lies on greedy publishers who want to get paid for used sales. If any blame lies on Gamestop it's because they sat on their thumbs and watched this happen on a smaller scale with online passes. Even now they have an ad for Xbox One on their website.