This is an easy one. Correcting people. I don't mean to be rude or elitist or a jackass or anything, I am doing it to help.TheSeventhLoneWolf said:Have you ever tried to do something with good intention, but other people found it to be quite frowned upon or wrong?
Well, thanks for the clarifying. While I think the why is silly, I don't think anyone should be forced to eat what they dont. Though that is mostly cause I am a picky eater, who just thinking about it, is not that carnivourous either. But that last line is partly where hy reason for thinking ethics is a silly reason to do it. If I were to hear of some vegan dying because of poor health from not eating right, the word idiot springs to my mind.Camembert said:So... you think someone who believes that killing animals for meat is wrong should go ahead and eat it anyway? Yes, real show of integrity there.Miumaru said:Being a vegan for ethics sake seems silly to me honestly. I don't make fun of them though, cept for one snide remark. I dont exactly know the difference between vegan and vegetarian, mostly just assume vegan is even more "hardcore" I guess. But well, a shot at the ethicy ones...difference between plants and animals...plants cant scream. (Both used to be alive before you ate it)Camembert said:Well I'm a meat eater. In fact, it's more often the other way around - I used to be a vegetarian and would constantly have morons asking deliberately irritating questions and making fun of me for not eating meat. On the other hand, no vegan has ever tried persuading me to stop eating animal products, unless I have already expressed interest.Miumaru said:Are they ever around meat eaters? Maybe you just keep better company. I know of preachy vegans though. I WILL argue with them if they start preaching. But otherwise they can not eat meat all they want if thats what they prefer.
I just get really sick of people making fun of vegans all the time. It's admirable, it takes restraint. If you have the willpower (I do not) to give up all animal products because of your ethics then that is a great thing.
And the plant/animals thing is typical anti-vegan/vegetarian crap. Plants lack a central nervous system and consciousness, as you are well aware (I hope). People must eat for sustenance, and at least vegans are doing the very best they can, sometimes risking their own health for the sake of doing what they believe is right.
Edit: Vegetarians don't eat meat; vegans don't eat any animal product whatsoever, including honey.
Vegans don't die from veganism... usually the worst-case is anaemia, but if they eat properly then there should be no problems. You should look up fruitarianism if you want to see some really wacky eating habits.Miumaru said:Well, thanks for the clarifying. While I think the why is silly, I don't think anyone should be forced to eat what they dont. Though that is mostly cause I am a picky eater, who just thinking about it, is not that carnivourous either. But that last line is partly where hy reason for thinking ethics is a silly reason to do it. If I were to hear of some vegan dying because of poor health from not eating right, the word idiot springs to my mind.
What a disgusting, revolting man (him, not you).clipse15 said:I've told this story before on The escapist but one time I held a door open for an elderly man with a walker and in return he said "I don't need your help ******"
Not like I condone abusing the animals pre-kill. i think its silly because nature is real, and nature has animals eating other animals. When lions start feeling compassion for gazelles, then I may reconsider.Camembert said:Vegans don't die from veganism... usually the worst-case is anaemia, but if they eat properly then there should be no problems. You should look up fruitarianism if you want to see some really wacky eating habits.Miumaru said:Well, thanks for the clarifying. While I think the why is silly, I don't think anyone should be forced to eat what they dont. Though that is mostly cause I am a picky eater, who just thinking about it, is not that carnivourous either. But that last line is partly where hy reason for thinking ethics is a silly reason to do it. If I were to hear of some vegan dying because of poor health from not eating right, the word idiot springs to my mind.
Still, though, I do not understand why you think it silly for a human to have compassion enough to be unwilling take part in, however indirectly, the suffering of another being. I just don't see it. To me it is the most sensible thing in the world, and shows a lot of empathy for others, whether human or not.
You might have been better off if you asked her if she would like a loan to help things along as opposed to simply just giving it to her, unless she actually did ask for money in which case she was probably just a *****.Valksy said:I was happily dating a rather nice lass, having a good time. And then got a panicky email about how she had been ill recently and because she had not been with her current employer for the statutory 3 months that she wouldn't get enough income that month to cover the rent and she was terrified etc.
Me, ever the gallant knight, galloped to the rescue with a 300 quid bank transfer. It was a loan and although I knew better, being a Bachelor of Letters in Law, I was so dazzled by pussy that I didn't get it in writing. She was so happy. So grateful. So never seeing me again
You could, like, kick him in the head. And when he tried to get up, kick him again. And repeat for half an hour.Furburt said:I remember once helping this guy up, he was a bit drunk and had fallen off his bar-stool. So I gave him a hand up, and he punched me in the stomach.
Why? He "Didn't need your fucking help".
Talk about pride gone wrong.
Nature is one thing, but farming animals for slaughter is entirely unnatural. Hunting for meat I am 100% fine with. You cannot possibly imagine that the battery chicken has a fantastic time living its whole life in a cage barely bigger than it is...? Or that farmed mammals enjoy the experience of the abattoir?Miumaru said:Not like I condone abusing the animals pre-kill. i think its silly because nature is real, and nature has animals eating other animals. When lions start feeling compassion for gazelles, then I may reconsider.
But when lions eat gazelles they deal with the mess that goes with a dead animal, we hardly every see what the burger looked like before. When we eat meat (in the West certainly) it is sanitized and packaged to the point where you can forget where it came from. I have met people who were shocked to hear that beef came from cows, that annoys me.Miumaru said:Not like I condone abusing the animals pre-kill. i think its silly because nature is real, and nature has animals eating other animals. When lions start feeling compassion for gazelles, then I may reconsider.
It was always just a loan but I was stupid enough to trust and think that we would sort the details out later. I know that everything should be in writing and to be honest she probably just played me with all the sobbing scared woman stuff...Kajin said:You might have been better off if you asked her if she would like a loan to help things along as opposed to simply just giving it to her, unless she actually did ask for money in which case she was probably just a *****.Valksy said:I was happily dating a rather nice lass, having a good time. And then got a panicky email about how she had been ill recently and because she had not been with her current employer for the statutory 3 months that she wouldn't get enough income that month to cover the rent and she was terrified etc.
Me, ever the gallant knight, galloped to the rescue with a 300 quid bank transfer. It was a loan and although I knew better, being a Bachelor of Letters in Law, I was so dazzled by pussy that I didn't get it in writing. She was so happy. So grateful. So never seeing me again
So say, such places were more "humane" it would be more ok? I am not going to argue that how they become food for humans is questionable, and would certainly be pro-reforming it, but I would be also as against removing it altogether.Camembert said:Nature is one thing, but farming animals for slaughter is entirely unnatural. Hunting for meat I am 100% fine with. You cannot possibly imagine that the battery chicken has a fantastic time living its whole life in a cage barely bigger than it is...? Or that farmed mammals enjoy the experience of the abattoir?Miumaru said:Not like I condone abusing the animals pre-kill. i think its silly because nature is real, and nature has animals eating other animals. When lions start feeling compassion for gazelles, then I may reconsider.
I am not a moron, I am fully aware that nature is cruel. The idea, though, of being a poultry bird (there are few to no welfare regulations for such animals) on almost any farm is too horrendous.
That kind of stuff is why I tend to feel smarter than most people. Sitting in english reading shakespear, it mentioned primate. I assumed everyone knew what that was. After no one answered, I did in a "duh tone" and found out the rest of the class did not know.Hammer said:But when lions eat gazelles they deal with the mess that goes with a dead animal, we hardly every see what the burger looked like before. When we eat meat (in the West certainly) it is sanitized and packaged to the point where you can forget where it came from. I have met people who were shocked to hear that beef came from cows, that annoys me.Miumaru said:Not like I condone abusing the animals pre-kill. i think its silly because nature is real, and nature has animals eating other animals. When lions start feeling compassion for gazelles, then I may reconsider.
If it were as humane as could possibly be then that's better of course, but still not ideal. I just find it depressing to imagine that the one and only purpose in these animals' lives is to feed us. Every animal capable of the slightest intelligence possesses the survival instict, the same as us, only with humans it's called valuing our own lives. I put myself in their shoes (yes, I know they don't share my intelligence/imagination/conscience, whatever - or wear shoes, either) and think that it would be hideous. I don't value animals over humans at all, not even close, but I do think there is room in us for compassion for every creature (and not just the cute ones).Miumaru said:So say, such places were more "humane" it would be more ok? I am not going to argue that how they become food for humans is questionable, and would certainly be pro-reforming it, but I would be also as against removing it altogether.
This reminds of the old saying. Never mix business with pleasure. How long did you know her when you gave her the money? It is always a bad idea to give money to people you haven't known for very long, especially if you are dating them. I am not surprised she stop seeing you because the money put all the pressure on her in the relationship and it probably put her in an uncomfortable position. The whole relationship took on a whole different meaning for her once the money entered the picture, but that was no reason for her not to pay you back.Valksy said:I was happily dating a rather nice lass, having a good time. And then got a panicky email about how she had been ill recently and because she had not been with her current employer for the statutory 3 months that she wouldn't get enough income that month to cover the rent and she was terrified etc.
Me, ever the gallant knight, galloped to the rescue with a 300 quid bank transfer. It was a loan and although I knew better, being a Bachelor of Letters in Law, I was so dazzled by pussy that I didn't get it in writing. She was so happy. So grateful. So never seeing me again.
I finally got in touch via her sister (I knew where she lived of course but scenes on doorsteps are not clever) who seemed under the impression that I had been the villain of the piece.
I swore that was the last time I ever did a decent thing for anyone. But in all honesty not loved up to that as everyone deserves a clean slate (and Alison Frost, where ever you may be, I bailed your ass out of strife and you kicked me in the teeth for it, I doubt you changed. Hope you're proud).
I remember when I used to have a wall. Half was knocked down making a driveway. The rest followed when someone crashed into it.neoontime said:Trying to clean up a wall in my neighborhood and then being accused of defacing it in the first place.
It wasn't ment to be like that, I whole heartedly apologise if that's a problem. I just find interest in other people's stories.Captain Pancake said:Well, this is a depressing thread...
Who's up for a big game of Kerplunk?
Anyway, On the rare occasion that I do something nice, I usually get some gratitude.
I can see why.oppp7 said:Ya, on here I tried to make a thread about people who kileld themselves a little more cheerful by joking about an heroes. It didn't work...
Can't do anything right these days. So we stay inside and play video games. Good deed perhaps.bodare said:The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Please take your shoes off before you step into the burning doorway.