You can still get the Scout weapons through achievements. Same with the other pre-Spy/Sniper update classes... pretty weird and actually just pretty stupid.corroded said:
It's official. Team Fortress 2,the MMO
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I just joined this past weekend, and I've been having fun playing. With no manual, I've been struggling to learn how to play at all, what with this being my first PC FPS I've ever played. I was wondering how some of the folks had all of their awesome extras, like the tribal shield thing - So I for one am kinda glad to hear that I'll just blunder into extras rather than getting a crazy shot off or running the farthest on a board or something.
Agreed. I'm happy with the change because its one step closer to removing the lock on unlockable content. If you want to collect achievements, then go for it, I enjoy earning them too. But when I see all this cool stuff about the sandvich, I want to go and play with the sandvich, not earn a bunch of achievements, several of which I'd already done before they released the heavy achievements. All locks do is slow down your fun.quack35 said:
Oh then why isn't every unlockable in every game already unlocked. God forbid you WORK for your goodies. If the Achievements were so mind numbingly hard, then Valve should have made them easier. Which they did! Most people have all the spy and sniper achievements DONE by now. Honestly, one was kill a demo man as a sniper! If you couldn't get 20 achievements of that difficulty, then turn off your pc and go back to fable 2.RichardMNixon said:
Excuse me for being on my nice elitist throne and throwing you under the bus:InventiveHero said:
This is what is wrong. I have people crying about how CoD4, CS, TF2 are too elitist (AKA the good players do better in the game). I can understand not having a manual, and there not being a single player, but games like CoD4 have a great single player that tells you exactly how to play the game. When people just don't use their resources and ten complain how the game is too elitist, I lose any sympathy I had for them. Total noobs should not be rewarded for just being there, while people with actual skill are thrown under the bus to make room for console tards and stupids. This is a huge problem in todays gaming market when people make good instead of great, and mnyeh instead of good.
fuck achievements
but fuck this new system too
It's better than the achievements though, because people were so damn focused on getting those that they stopped playing the game, and focused more on finishing a fucking to-do-list. This is all fine and dandy for single player games but in a team based game where heavies sit there eating sandviches so they can get their hundredth one is annoying. Everyone picking sniper or scout so they can finishing their list of bullshit things to do then that's taking away from the game more than adding to it. Not to mention the fact that the class balance was off too, it's weird seeing no one play as medic and 8 people are snipers.
This new system though? Well, thankfully this game isn't an achievement completion game anymore, but it's totally fucking broken now.
Play 15 hours, get 4 flare guns, 1 weapon you want, 5 sandmans, and a weapon you get by default.
The lack of item trading makes this worse. "God damnit I want bonk but I have to double jump 1,000 times first." - "Oh, I keep getting bonk, but what I really want is a force-a-nature" - "Oh well shit, I have 12 of those."
Please valve, give TF2 a store and we can just use game points to get the items, that way no one has to finish a stupid to-do-list, and no one has to play for 35 hours to get a hat.
but fuck this new system too
It's better than the achievements though, because people were so damn focused on getting those that they stopped playing the game, and focused more on finishing a fucking to-do-list. This is all fine and dandy for single player games but in a team based game where heavies sit there eating sandviches so they can get their hundredth one is annoying. Everyone picking sniper or scout so they can finishing their list of bullshit things to do then that's taking away from the game more than adding to it. Not to mention the fact that the class balance was off too, it's weird seeing no one play as medic and 8 people are snipers.
This new system though? Well, thankfully this game isn't an achievement completion game anymore, but it's totally fucking broken now.
Play 15 hours, get 4 flare guns, 1 weapon you want, 5 sandmans, and a weapon you get by default.
The lack of item trading makes this worse. "God damnit I want bonk but I have to double jump 1,000 times first." - "Oh, I keep getting bonk, but what I really want is a force-a-nature" - "Oh well shit, I have 12 of those."
Please valve, give TF2 a store and we can just use game points to get the items, that way no one has to finish a stupid to-do-list, and no one has to play for 35 hours to get a hat.
I don't mind being made an example of, because I also agree with your point. I think there is a lot of coddling out there, especially in real world instances - heck, we've created a society that's so PC and sue happy, that existence is it's own gold star. Danger has been obliterated at the cost of mediocrity. Hard work has been undermined for years, and now generations have been raised with a level of laziness unfathomable to me.Halfbreed13 said:
But here's where you're short sighted: TF2 is just a game. It is entertainment. Playing it at all is it's own achievement. I myself not only work a 40 hour week, but also have been scoring at least another 25-30 per week working on "A World of Her PWN." I'm lucky if I can get one or two hours a week to play any game at the moment - let alone, TF2. For some, mastering the skill of one game is far out of reach, and so opening it's gameplay to newcomers who can jump in and play for an hour is a win, not a fail.
Will I continue to have my engineer shot in the eyeball by a sniper with the Huntsman from the other side of the board? Sure. Will I still love my time in the game? Sure - but my aspirations for TF2 are far lower than yours, Halfbreed13. I just like the fact that now my chances of scoring a nifty new doodad have increased.
You make some very valid points. But the thought of trying to make room for people that don't even play often is distressing to those that have been playing for a while now. I'm not saying that unless you have a 2-1 kdr gtfo of tf2. I do have a problem with the game being altered to coddle the people who wont even be playing as much. With that said, I will always think that CoD4 had the best xp/leveling and unlock system.InventiveHero said:
Well, that sounds pretty cool actually. There should probably be another way to get items, something that relies on skill perhaps, instead of grinding. But I do think almost any shooter would be improved by an inventory-like idea like this. Sort of like the classes in COD, except in a different game? I don't know, I have no idea how it would work but I'd like to see more of it.
Poster... you my friend, are a total douche
But yeah I hate how afkers are now incouraged to do so.
But yeah I hate how afkers are now incouraged to do so.
Seems like they're trying to do trickle-down-teamfortrenomics.fix-the-spade said:
Make the nerdy class stronger and maybe some of that will trickle down to the rest of the people who actually have jobs/a life/children, etc.
In my opinion, it's pretty stupid. Not many people can afford to play for 200 hours a week, so making it just based off of play-time is stupid. This reminds me a lot of Rainbow Six Vegas for Xbox, where players would leave their xbox turned on with all the match settings set to automated launch times, ranking them up and giving them XP while they slept, that's what's going to happen here as well.
I don't know, I always thought your raw skill should decide what weapons you unlock.
I'm not to worried about it kinda sucks that It's not achievement based(If your good you can unlock em fast) but I'm glad they are doing something about those cheap achievement servers.
