"It's totally okay if the girls are hot!": Hypocrisy and The World

[Therumancer]

God forbid you ever have to work REAL security jobs or something like that (never mind become an actual cop). That takes it beyond simply "the real world" into what goes on beyond that facade especially when your basically eavesdropping on people, or get to watch two dudes really go at it with each other verbally or on you... "no, no, tell me what you really think about us white people...".

So being a cop turns you racist? That makes sense in a weird way. Tell me more...

A lot of liberals seem to think that white heterosexual males do the discriminating and can't be discriminated against.

Obviously people who think that haven't dealt with many asians.

I do not think that and I have dealt with many asians... obviously.

I'll ignore the flame. Comments along the line of "people like you don't think at all" are exactly why a real discussion on subjects like homosexuality are impossible. Your dealing with a mentality and propaganda that is so deeply in place that your not going to dissuade it. That is why I pretty much said my piece (for any outside observers) and made it fairly clear I wasn't going to discuss the subject in any detail as "we" already went back and forth about it in at least one other thread and it ultimatly comes down to having to agree to disagree (though saying it that way is unusually polite).

While a spin off I will respond to the bit of quoting above though.

When I took Criminal Justice (Forensics) they referred to actual experience as an authority figure as a pair of "colored glasses" that is it shows you the world in a way that other people who are not in such a position will ever perceive it. Largely because your authority gives you access to information and a point of view that the guy on the street does not have.

This applies to certain security jobs like the one I had to an extent because of the amount of information you have at your disposal. Reports from previous officers, suerveillance cameras, and all kinds of things.

Some would call it "casual racism" but when I speak about Asians consider for a moment that I never decided to be "bigoted". Quite to the contrary coming out of college I was a bloody Anime fiend who watched too many martial arts movies. I'm not sure if the term "Weeaboo" ever would have applied but let's just say I had some interest in eastern pop culture.

Then I started working for two of the three largest casinos in the world (at differant times) both of which are on Indian reservations. I even spent a few years working in "Monitor Room" which gave me access to behind the scenes suerveillance equipment as well as effectively making me a dispatcher for outside patrol (before it changed hands and went totally tribal, but that's a wierd internap explanation), emergency services, and other things. As well as effectively an investigator for things like crashes in the parking lot or whatever when the actual "casino investigators" (those with the title) were either too busy or too lazy to want to do anything.

At any rate as you do this job you begin to notice patterns, and also get to see a side of people that your typical person doesn't see. The guys running the scams, freeloading, and otherwise annoying people 9 out of 10 times wind up being Asian. Shoplifting? Well run a tape from the "public areas" to see who grabbed an item and 99% of the time it's going to be the asian guy. Catch someone involved in a scam (say a person posing as a slot attendant, offering to watch a machine with coins in the tray while a person uses the bathroom, and then looting the money and leaving) and 99% of the time when you follow the chain back it's going to go back to one of the "usual suspects" asian gang groups.

We even had "flea wars" over turf between groups of asians. A "flea" being someone who while not overtly criminal wanders around the casino looking for loose chips or change. A lot of money can be made that way, and people started to organize into groups to do it. These groups wind up staking out turf and well... they object to others "poaching" their scavenging territory.

You approach these people and they treat you like scum, throw racial slurs at you, and everything else. You eavesdrop on them when they don't know your listening and they sit around and rank on white people and how stupid we all are.... which can be funny in some contexts.

The point here is that after two venues and hundreds of incidents you begin to put together patterns. It all comes together with the other behavior (rude conduct to service personell, don't tip, etc...) and forms a pretty intense picture.

Now granted, what I was mostly dealing with was what many refer to as "Mainland Chinese". The Casinos in question catching the cross traffic between Massachussets and New York City and coming from the "Chinatown" districts.

See, I accept that there may be exceptions, but all of this stuff actually happened. Thus it influances how I see the world. Pretty much anyone who was in the position I've been in would come up with the same attitudes (and indeed most casino security personell do, especially those who do any of the stuff behind the scenes).

Trust me, one of the gimmicks these guys use is to take a Bus from Chinatown so that way if they are nailed for scamming you can't just throw them out (they can't leave except on their bus, and sadly we aren't allowed to force them to walk back to say New York City from Connecticut). Some nights we've found so many scammers that we've pretty much turned the Bus Lobby into a prison camp full of people not allowed to enter the rest of the casino premises, waiting for the buses to Chinatown.

Sadly unlike the movies "real" casino security doesn't get to put people in back rooms and adjust their attitudes. When things like that happen it's not done by the regular security department... that is to say it doesn't happen in cases like this. Heck, we couldn't even "bounce" people for all intents and purposes.

Anyone with these range of experiences is likely to have the same attitudes. In general I see liberals as being naive because ultimatly they never get to see how the world actually works, and the truths behind a lot of bigotries and other problems which is why nothing tends to get addressed. I've gradually gotten into a sort of Heinlan-esque attitude that if you haven't been involved in any kind of "service" then you don't really deserve an opinion and shouldn't be allowed to hold private office. In his mind I guess Casino Security wouldn't count, but basically I feel nobody should make social policy that hasn't been a police officer or whatever to see how things actually are.

On the original topic when it comes to gays, again it comes down to personal experiences, and not just the one I mentioned in another thread about being raped when I was six. For those who have read this far, how many of you have had "Code Adam" training? How many of you know anything about groups like NAMBLA? Have you ever had to actually "police" an arcade where children hang out unattendended? Do you have any conception of how to spot a likely sexual predator? Have you ever intercepted a probable one and subtly convinced them to go elsewhere through your prescence?

Chances are most people here are going to say 'no'. Your argueing with someone whose attitudes have been formed by real life events. Now keep in mind I am not saying I have jumped in with a truncheon and stopped rapes in progress. But I *HAVE* run into a lot of fairly creepy dudes hanging around the little boys and lurked around in uniform making it clear that they should really go somewhere else. Or dealt with situations like "This guy has been offering random children tickets from the arcade, and tried to get some unattended boy to go up to his room with him, someone might want to keep an eye on him" followed by a bit of fairly obvious shadowing where a blazer would simply wind up wherever he happened to be.

I mention NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) because they are powerful and well organized, and had my former employers intimidated enough where they were concerned over facing NAMBLA lawyers if there was an actual incident with a molestor. Interesting due to the fact that we treated everyone with kid gloves anyway. Really, that organization alone sort of disproves like 98% of the liberal "gay men are harmless" stuff out there. Check out their website sometime then think about how much support they must have to intimidate the world's largest casino when it's operating on a bloody Indian Reservation, with their security being what amounts to a dog and pony show anyway.


At any rate, I'm not going to respond to this any further (I've written quite a bit), my point is though that anyone out there with any real experience is going to be a bigot. If your not, then by definition you lived in an "Ivory Tower". I'm not really sure I'd consider police, security work (some kinds), and other things to make people into racists, but rather I'd think it tends to show them a truth which people who haven't seen it tend to see as
being racist.

As unpopular as it is, I don't think true harmony can be achieved under the current liberal mentality simply because is supports minority groups and their point of view too much. A lot of minority attitudes need to be adjusted a lot more than that of the majority. See, while I can be called bigoted due to experience when it comes to Asians (from that enviroment) I believe the problems largely stem from them actually being racist.

There IS a differance between Bigotry and Racism even if many people choose not to see it.



>>>----Therumancer--->

 

[Bat Vader]

same dumbasses who say you can believe what you want as long as jesus is in it

Not al religious people are like that. I am Christian but I support people and their will to love who they love but because of my religion I won't do anything against it. I won't vote for or against gay marriage. I stay neutral on those topics.

Sorry, but I don't like you until you vote "for".

At least your a step up from the people who vote "against".

May I inquire as to why you don't like me? Is it because I am neutral on the subject?

 

[ADDLibrarian]

But then again, I'm all for same sex marriages, and I think that gays/lesbians deserve all the rights and freedoms that straight people do. I wish they weren't criticized/ostracized/flat out mocked so much in the media, but it always seems that society needs a scapegoat/minority at any given time. Since we now have a black president in power, using blacks as our society's minority/butt of intolerance is not cool. Gays/lesbians however, have filled the niche, sadly.

Are you serious? The media , save Fox News, is all left leaning and reports on Pro-Gay and other liberal ideals like gun control and abortion. People don't want to make fun of the president because he is black and even making jokes about him that aren't even related to a racial stereotype automatically brands you as a bigoted, racist jackass. The only real under-reported minority in the US is young white straight males. It two twenty something men fight one black the other white and the white guy ends up in the hospital it is assault if the black ends up hurt it is assault with a hate crime tacked on. Same thing if the guy happened to be gay. It is always a hate crime if the straight white guy isn't the one in the hospital. That is the kind of news that needs to be reported.

And to Internet Kraken: Religion may not be needed in this thread explicitly but the same behavior of lesbians cool, dudes wrong happens with people of faith and it goes unnoticed then too. They think religion is evil if it is Christianity but if it is Islam, Buddhism etc. then it is ok they are all cool, sensible people.
/rant

First off, even though you disagree with me, I'm happy and surprised to be quoted. Yay, the simple pleasures of my life. ^^

Secondly, yay for watching the more open-minded news reports, but it just seems like there are more Fox news type programming here in the Midwest (sadly, the Bible Belt) so I always get the impression that there's more resistance to gay marriage, etc. As for the "white straight male" being a "minority" I hope that was sarcasm. Considering what the "white straight males" have done over a historical perspective, i.e. decimation of Native Americans, oppression of women, slavery, lynchings of the 1920s-60s, monopolizing the right to vote/political power, Japanese internment during WWII, STILL earning .75 more on the dollar than women workers doing the same jobs, etc. I'd say it's even. Yes that was cultural guilt, but that seems a small burden compared to the struggles of other minorities.
As for the "tack on of hate crime" is more of a failure of the justice system/overreaction of media rather than a direct attack on the proud white man.

 

[MK Tha Rebel]

To be honest, I don't care, for lack of a better way to say it.

If someone likes to watch two girls do it...fine.
If two guys want to get married...go ahead.
If someone thinks its only ok if they're hot...well, i think you're an idiot to word it like that, but fine, you can believe that.

Point is, these things should have NO EFFECT on ones ability to do these things. Just because some guy doesn't like the thought of two girls getting married, that doesn't make it ok to stop two girls from getting married, considering said guy has NO IDEA who the people getting married are, and said two girls will never affect his life EVER.

Look, I support gay marriage, but the fact that I, someone who isn't gay and will be unaffected by anything about it, has to even DO SO by voting to make it legal is STUPID. You should just be allowed to marry, regardless of some random guy's beliefs! The only way marriage in any form should be stopped is if either one of you changes their mind...or the family and friends could ruin it to, just like marriage between and man and a woman. It should be kept PERSONAL.

 

[JaredXE]

As for the "white straight male" being a "minority" I hope that was sarcasm. Considering what the "white straight males" have done over a historical perspective, i.e. decimation of Native Americans, oppression of women, slavery, lynchings of the 1920s-60s, monopolizing the right to vote/political power, Japanese internment during WWII, STILL earning .75 more on the dollar than women workers doing the same jobs, etc. I'd say it's even. Yes that was cultural guilt, but that seems a small burden compared to the struggles of other minorities.
As for the "tack on of hate crime" is more of a failure of the justice system/overreaction of media rather than a direct attack on the proud white man.

Noooo, the straight POOR/WORKING CLASS white males are a minority. Big difference. Women and people of other races look upon you as "THE MAN" despite being just as broke as them, but without any social or political groups to belong to. Women have NOW, Latinos have LULAC, Blacks have NAACP, Gays have GLAAD, White Men have the KKK......wait, we have....well I'm sure at least we are represented by.... well shit.

Don't go blaming all straight white males for the bad shit above, we usually have no say in what's going on.

Oh, and that .75 cents on the dollar bullshit? That's just what it is, bullshit. Depending on the job, women will often earn MORE than men, not less. Then again, it depends on the job, the experience, the amount of time put in AND whether they work their asses off and sacrifice family for their work.

 

[hypothetical fact]

On the original topic when it comes to gays, again it comes down to personal experiences, and not just the one I mentioned in another thread about being raped when I was six. For those who have read this far, how many of you have had "Code Adam" training? How many of you know anything about groups like NAMBLA? Have you ever had to actually "police" an arcade where children hang out unattendended? Do you have any conception of how to spot a likely sexual predator? Have you ever intercepted a probable one and subtly convinced them to go elsewhere through your prescence?

>>>----Therumancer--->

Damn, I wrote a 2000 word persuasive text on why tolerance is ruining society and I didn't even know about NAMBLA.

 

[Labyrinth]

Jesus Christ, you people will ***** about anything if it makes you feel intellectually superior. It's a Goddamn JOKE. A JOKE. They are not intending to state their position on homosexuality or gay marriage, they are MAKING A JOKE.

I'm beginning to feel like this too... I mean, I know that this thought process really does exist and some people are serious about it, but can't you just be happy knowing that they're idiots and move on with your life? Does it really cut so deep that your recourse is to rant on a forum? It's not even like there can be two sides to what you're saying, if your main complaint is women are objectified and made into a constant peep show or whatever, especially lesbian women...

Yeah, that's how it is. Men like women. Men like attractive women. Men like more than one attractive woman engaging in sexual acts at a time. Is there a double standard? You bet, but it's more one that's built into our genes than anything, unless we're talking gay men, who I would assume wouldn't find it arousing.

Hopefully this is the only thread about gay issues I post in today. For a bunch of people who just want to live in peace, we sure get all up in arms over them sometimes. I'm sure they can take care of themselves.

The problem is when it's not a joke, which is the behaviour I'm on about.

 

[Labyrinth]

Really, that organization alone sort of disproves like 98% of the liberal "gay men are harmless" stuff out there.

No. It doesn't. Just because one select group of Muslims wish to legalise rape within the boundaries of marriage doesn't mean all Muslims wish to see it. Just because some priests are paedophiles doesn't mean the whole Church organisation is out to rape children.

Sorry, your bias is just too much to let by.

 

[Caimekaze]

I mention NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) because they are powerful and well organized, and had my former employers intimidated enough where they were concerned over facing NAMBLA lawyers if there was an actual incident with a molestor. Interesting due to the fact that we treated everyone with kid gloves anyway. Really, that organization alone sort of disproves like 98% of the liberal "gay men are harmless" stuff out there. Check out their website sometime then think about how much support they must have to intimidate the world's largest casino when it's operating on a bloody Indian Reservation, with their security being what amounts to a dog and pony show anyway.

I'd like to make it clear, there is a difference between homosexuality and paedophilia. It's a fairly big difference, too. NAMBLA is a group that focuses on paedophilia, not homosexuality.
The majority of gay rights groups are extremely anti-NAMBLA, and have been for quite a while. Also, NAMBLA is now fairly defunct. It has nowhere near the power it used to.

 

[Inco]

I mention NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) because they are powerful and well organized, and had my former employers intimidated enough where they were concerned over facing NAMBLA lawyers if there was an actual incident with a molestor. Interesting due to the fact that we treated everyone with kid gloves anyway. Really, that organization alone sort of disproves like 98% of the liberal "gay men are harmless" stuff out there. Check out their website sometime then think about how much support they must have to intimidate the world's largest casino when it's operating on a bloody Indian Reservation, with their security being what amounts to a dog and pony show anyway.

I'd like to make it clear, there is a difference between homosexuality and paedophilia. It's a fairly big difference, too. NAMBLA is a group that focuses on paedophilia, not homosexuality.
The majority of gay rights groups are extremely anti-NAMBLA, and have been for quite a while. Also, NAMBLA is now fairly defunct. It has nowhere near the power it used to.

Seriously, that god for that. Like im a morally strong person (not religious in anyway) and that people deserve for their choices to be at least accepted by the community (homosexuality) but pedophilia is not something that is accepted, and for good reasons. I need not explain, you are intelligent enough to know, but the fact that people who do it are willing to create a group to support something like that sickens me.

 

[Caimekaze]

I mention NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) because they are powerful and well organized, and had my former employers intimidated enough where they were concerned over facing NAMBLA lawyers if there was an actual incident with a molestor. Interesting due to the fact that we treated everyone with kid gloves anyway. Really, that organization alone sort of disproves like 98% of the liberal "gay men are harmless" stuff out there. Check out their website sometime then think about how much support they must have to intimidate the world's largest casino when it's operating on a bloody Indian Reservation, with their security being what amounts to a dog and pony show anyway.

I'd like to make it clear, there is a difference between homosexuality and paedophilia. It's a fairly big difference, too. NAMBLA is a group that focuses on paedophilia, not homosexuality.
The majority of gay rights groups are extremely anti-NAMBLA, and have been for quite a while. Also, NAMBLA is now fairly defunct. It has nowhere near the power it used to.

I love how when a homosexual man rapes another male, that's proof of anything the person want to say about homosexual men.

When a heterosexual man rapes a FEMALE, then, well, hey, you know, not all guys are like that, 'n stuff.

Exactly! They are normal people, thus in all shapes and flavours. Some are complete arses, others are really nice.

 

[dontworryaboutit]

http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1023#comic

 

[Worsle]

Now granted, what I was mostly dealing with was what many refer to as "Mainland Chinese". The Casinos in question catching the cross traffic between Massachussets and New York City and coming from the "Chinatown" districts.

See, I accept that there may be exceptions, but all of this stuff actually happened. Thus it influances how I see the world. Pretty much anyone who was in the position I've been in would come up with the same attitudes (and indeed most casino security personell do, especially those who do any of the stuff behind the scenes).

This would be rather funny if you did not seem to be serious. Really you go I know my perceptions are skewed because I am working in an area where the majority of poor people are Asian but I am justified in my racism because my job makes me special. Seriously if you want to know who will be committing most crimes in an area then look at how the poorer sections of society in that area it is not some thing your need a degree in "Criminal Justice (Forensics)" to understand that and your I am special all of you just don't understand routine takes a serious knock when you destroy your own arguments your self. However enough about your racism and "real life" knowledge. I would also bring up how easy it is for some one to create a pattern for them selves out of nothing but I think that would be waisted on you as you have "special knowledge"

I mention NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) because the8y are powerful and well organized, and had my former employers intimidated enough where they were concerned over facing NAMBLA lawyers if there was an actual incident with a molestor. Interesting due to the fact that we treated everyone with kid gloves anyway. Really, that organization alone sort of disproves like 98% of the liberal "gay men are harmless" stuff out there. Check out their website sometime then think about how much support they must have to intimidate the world's largest casino when it's operating on a bloody Indian Reservation, with their security being what amounts to a dog and pony show anyway.

You despite the fact it has been explained to you that homosexuality and paedophilia are very different things you carry on this argument. Paedophiles are not the same thing as liberal gay men (for that matter not all gay men are liberals or do you only hate the liberal ones?) also paedophiles do not just target boys, so are all men a threat then? If so what should be done with us? Also NAMBLA does not have any where near this mythical power you are trying to say it has, maybe it was just your employer trying to stop you pulling some stupid nonsense and causing them grief.

At any rate, I'm not going to respond to this any further (I've written quite a bit), my point is though that anyone out there with any real experience is going to be a bigot. If your not, then by definition you lived in an "Ivory Tower". I'm not really sure I'd consider police, security work (some kinds), and other things to make people into racists, but rather I'd think it tends to show them a truth which people who haven't seen it tend to see as being racist.

I.e I am taking my ball and going home? I would normally point out the bullshit involved in this sort of stance but in your case I am not sure I mind. Really you claim to live in the real world, is this the real world where only your opinion is entitled to be heard and no one else's matters? Oh here is a little secret for your too, everyone lives in the real world there is no other world for them to live in, however your inability to see passed your own bigoted opinions shows you have a lot less of an understanding of it than other people. Also stop trying to tar all other cops with your bigoted and racist nonsense you do not speak for anyone but your self so stop trying to act like you have this air of authority over others it does not suit you.

Edit. I just noticed you dropped the how prison rape line, what no response? No real world incite into why we are all wrong and you are right? Then again you did not really respond to any other point so you probably think you where right there too.

 

[Therumancer]

Really, that organization alone sort of disproves like 98% of the liberal "gay men are harmless" stuff out there.

No. It doesn't. Just because one select group of Muslims wish to legalise rape within the boundaries of marriage doesn't mean all Muslims wish to see it. Just because some priests are paedophiles doesn't mean the whole Church organisation is out to rape children.

Sorry, your bias is just too much to let by.

I'll respond here even though I'm trying to avoid responses to prevent this from turning into a huge flame war (I've made my statement, I do read people's answers, but I figure people who strongly disagree with me aren't going to change their mind and justify their opinion any way they can. This is the Internets after all).

"Muslim" covers a lot of ground. There are tons of differant sects, many of which spend times trying to annihilate each other when not united by their hatred of The West (an enemy of my enemy mentality). I am generally anti-Muslim because of the threat presented to the US and the common cultural messages than do to any specific, purely internal social problems within their society.

That said, your not dealing with a minority of people who believe in legalized rape. It's not a matter of "wish to" it's a matter of it already being that way. A properly run Islamic goverment uses a system of laws referred to as "Sharia" which is what The Taliban put into force. The practice is common enough where Mullah Omar was willing to stand trial for the "Crimes" of his regime but only before other Muslim leaders for it to be reviewed under thos standards.

In the US we like to believe we're dealing with tiny minorities of people down there that are "psycho" by our standards, but this is far from the truth. There is no heroic majority fighting minority oppression like we try and convince ourselves happened during World War II (and never really did as I've talked about in other threads). People are willing to perform suicide attacks because of the general support of their society.

THAT said, most "Muslims" who emigrate from The Middle East do so to get away from that. So as a result when your dealing with "My Arabic Friend" your generally dealing with an exception. Judging by populations outside of The Middle East the fanatics are a fairly small minority. This is why at my most extreme I talk about the mass destruction of the culture(s) in The Middle East, as opposed to creating prison camps domestically. I believe the insurgents present here can be dealt with over time with minimal damage (overall), and once the source is dealt with the problem will gradually be solved. Of course this leads to entirely differant discussions on what constitutes a war, wartime morality, and whether current standards are right, wrong, or viable.

Stories you get from people in The Middle East talking about how Muslims are people just like us, have to be tempered by the fact that we have a huge military force there. Also considered in light of the fact that if some dude fires an RPG at a passing jeep that friendly guy is likely to close in with the rest of the crowd to cover the sniper from retaliation. These guys operate the way they do BECAUSE of majority support. A terrorst/insurgent can pretty much rely on the support of the population wherever he goes.

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At any rate if your dealing with a parallel between Asians (mostly Chinese) and Muslims, it's somewhat differant. Asians are not personally homicidal or involved in a conflict based on religious reasons. They simply believe that they are inherantly better than white people with a better, longer-lasting civilization, and are intended to properly dominate the planet and other ethnicities but have been being held back unfairly from their rightful role.

To really find out much about it you have to look at the propaganda from places like China, especially as they are building up their military and economy. It's pretty bloody scary, but for whatever reason isn't covered by the mainstream media. I personally think it's because to cover it fairly would make the nessecity for a war obvious and a lot of the people in the media are on an anti-war/peace at any price kick even when others disagree.

To an extent your looking at not only returning to their rightful place, but also revenge for the trivialization/isolation they faced (which happened for a reason, it maintained the peace this long), as well as perceived slights over the Opium trade (which actually backfired on them as much as anything).

The big exceptions being South Korea and Japan (to some extent, though the Japanese can be very Anti-West). But in both of those cases the nations are effectively under occupation. We have substantial military forces (even with downsizing) in South Korea and they rely on us for a lot of their independance. Japan is currently one of our most major naval ports, and pretty much our major gateway into the Eastern World. Many Americans probably don't realize it, but even with the SSDF the Navy could flatten Japan instantly anytime they wanted to. Japan is acutely aware of this fact.

Never, ever confuse the attitudes people show when you have a gun to their head with their actual attitude. Always keep in mind why you put that gun to their head to begin with.

In The Middle East we have Iraq under occupation, while the goverments might talk tough, most of them realize we have a HUGE military there and it could in theory leave Iraq and come after them. Your typical person is going to be very friendly overtly when in theory you could drive a tank through his house any time you wanted to.

Any time I feel sympathy on that front, I think back to 9/11. Not some BS about planes hitting the twin towers on the news, but the fact that AFTER that happened Muslims took to the streets and started partying. It was genuine, region wide, nobody was holding them at gun point. Oh sure, if a news crew approached someone in paticular they would go "oh I'm so sorry" but when your dealing with their patriotic broadcasts (even if they had nothing to do with Al Queda directly) and the Mardi-Gras type celebrations... well... that was the end of any illusion on my part that the region is anything but full of enemies. They were ecstatic about it until the US actually retaliated.

>>>----Therumancer--->

 

[Pellucid]

same dumbasses who say you can believe what you want as long as jesus is in it

Not al religious people are like that. I am Christian but I support people and their will to love who they love but because of my religion I won't do anything against it. I won't vote for or against gay marriage. I stay neutral on those topics.

and i acknowledge that, but theres also the sect of hypocritical dumbasses.
religious or no, theyre still dumbasses

This thread has nothing to do with those people, though. I don't know anyone who says "JESUS SAYS LESBIANS ARE AWESOME BUT GAY DUDES ARE SINFUL."