ITT, a Grammar Nazi on common grammar mistakes

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Phlakes

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First, I'm sorry you have to be faced with this Grammar Nazism. But if you're one of those people who really doesn't care if your grammar is correct, this thread isn't for you. Some people get defensive about it, and this is supposed to be a constructive thread. Some people actually make honest mistakes and might appreciate some reminders.

Plus, correct grammar makes this site look better. When your post looks like "dis wit no effort atall put in to what it look's like and no punctuaton and it jsut runs on", nobody wants to read that. I'm sure the people who write like that don't care what other people think of them, but it's like hearing someone talk with a really heavy drawl and no coherency like they've never been to school and never read a book. Okay, maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration, but the point still stands. Some people automatically turn their attention off when they see writing like that, and it can make you look like you don't care. If you don't care, nobody else will.

And one thing I always say, if you have the time to look through a thread and make a post, you have the time to hit the Shift key or stick a period in there. Maybe even a few commas if you're feeling generous. Anyway, I'll cut the flame bait short and get to some rules that are being forgotten or misused.

This is aimed at the people who would be genuinely interested in improving the quality of their posts and the forums.

NOTE: I know punctuation is supposed to go inside quotation marks, but I'm taking some liberties to keep it as readable as possible. My reasons are explained in detail later.

Apostrophes:

God, apostrophes. A simple way to look at it is this-

Is the word possessive, as in "the cat(')s" or "the rock(')s"?

-If yes, put an apostrophe. One thing people mix up a lot, "it's/its". The ONLY time you use an apostrophe is in a contraction for "it is", it's. If you're saying something like "it(')s color is green", you don't put one. That would be like saying "hi's" or "her's".

-If no-

Is the word a contraction, as in "can't" or "you've"?

-If yes, put an apostrophe. Also, make sure it goes where letters are taken out. "Can't" is short for "can not", so when you take out the "no", you replace it with an apostrophe.

-If no, it doesn't need an apostrophe.

And that's it. No need to over-think it. Only on possessives (remembering the "it's/its" rule) and contractions. Never on plural nouns. So no "I have seven dog's at home".

Also, when you're making a plural noun (dogs) possessive, an apostrophe goes on the very end (dogs').

One thing that bugs me is words like "ninja'd". I honestly have no idea what to do with that shit. It's not an actual word and I don't think there are any similar examples, but it seems like it should just be "ninjad", but because it isn't a real word that doesn't seem right. Maybe someone knows. 'Cause I don't.

Homophones:

This [http://learnyourdamnhomophones.com/] is a good, if slightly frank guide on homophones. A few highlights-

"Loose" and "lose". If you're losing a game, it's one "o". If your shoelace is loose, it's two. You could use a stupid "if you lose, lose an 'o'" sort of thing, but I won't do that to you here.

"Your" and "you're". "You're" is a contraction for "you are". "Your" is possessive. Just remember that.

"Than" and "then". "Than" is comparative, "then" is not.

"Their/they're/there". "There" is a location. "It's over there". "They're" is a contraction for "they are". "Their" is possessive. If you just remember two, you'll get the other one.

"Too" and "to". "Too" is a synonym for "exceedingly" and "also". "To" is a preposition, as in "I went to the store". Also, I really shouldn't have to say this, but "two" is a number.

Could of/Would of:

*Facepalm. This is one of those things that accidentally spread around by example, and it needs to be stopped. The correct phrases are "could have" and "would have".

So take "I have been to Ireland". Just like it, you would say "I could have gone to Ireland". Not "I could of gone to Ireland", because that would be like saying "I of been to Ireland". I assume they started because of "could've" and "would've", which when spoken sound like they have "of" instead of "have".

Le Punctuation:

With this, it comes down to either laziness from the writer or nitpicking from me. Some people don't use punctuation at all. You paid for an entire keyboard, might as well use what you have. But some people don't use it enough or correctly. Actually, I used it incorrectly just now, but that's because I write to reflect speech because I'm strange like that. This is actually a good time to explain a couple things, since the people who got this far in the thread might be the ones who care. I'm not saying everyone should write flawlessly like professional authors, but most of the mistakes I've brought up are actual, technical mistakes. What I go by is "casual but correct". I let myself write fragmented sentences. Like this. But only for emphasis. I don't, however, let myself leave out a comma where there should be one like right after the "one" in this sentence. Mistakes like saying "they're table is big" are not correct or casual, just wrong. Also, thank you if you've read this far. I can't wait to see how many people call me out on things that are explained in this paragraph.

Anyway, punctuation. Again, this is more nitpicky, but for the basics-

-Periods at the end of a sentence (I mean it's one extra key press, it's really not that hard).
-Commas between major parts of sentences, as in this one. If it sounds like it's running on for a long time find a place where a comma would help the flow and that's probably correct. Like in that sentence, there should be commas after "time" and arguably "flow", but I won't get into that.
-Semicolons between parts of the same sentence that are more separate. I like chicken, it tastes like chicken. That's incorrect. Obviously there should be a semicolon instead of a comma. They're basically two different sentences that are still directly related. "I like chicken. It tastes like chicken." sounds broken up, but the previous example doesn't look right either, so you go right in between with a semicolon.

One more thing:

Please don't color your entire posts. It hurts some people's eyes. We know you want to be unique, but it's really unnecessary.

I think that's enough for now. If there's not too much flaming in this thread about me being elitist or whatever the hell, I might make another one for the people who actually care.

And if you don't care, there are plenty other threads that might interest you. Nobody forced you to read this. Remember that before posting if you're planning on criticizing.
 

Phlakes

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Kukulski said:
Punctuation is a ***** in English. In Polish we use a coma basically every time the sentence becomes remotely more complex (before "who", "when", "but", "so", "however", "no matter how" etc). It seems to me that in English there are either millions of rules or I should just rely on pure instinct.
Yeah, there are millions of rules. English is a ***** like that. So that's why I say to just use whatever keeps the flow, or whatever makes it sound like regular speech. Instincts are usually right.
 

Redingold

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Ooh, I was looking through this very carefully, trying to find a mistake, but you've let me down. Good job.

EDIT: Aha! Found one!

Phlakes said:
-Periods at the end of a sentence (I mean it's one extra key press, it's really not that hard)
There's no fullstop at the end of that sentence.
 

Esotera

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Don't forget 'could care less'. English would have been much simpler if the prescriptivist attitudes of the dictionary writers hadn't prevailed; it would be possible to spell a word however you felt like.
 

Amphoteric

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I hate people misusing double negatives as in, "I didn't do nothing" when they mean "I didn't do anything".
 

Scorched_Cascade

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Esotera said:
Don't forget 'could care less'. English would have been much simpler if the prescriptivist attitudes of the dictionary writers hadn't prevailed; it would be possible to spell a word however you felt like.
I could care less, I could also care more. My attitude is that if they're making the effort to say "I could care less" then they could indeed care less as they cared enough to comment. This would mean that what they are saying is correct and you getting angry over it is wrong.

Phlakes said:
*Huge snip*
How are you on sentence fragments or is this a "one battle at a time" thing? If you're coming after my fragment usage next then I'd better start sandbagging.
 

Mischa87

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Also, apparently while typing, we're supposed to put two (2) spaces after a period/fullstop. Like that
 

Phlakes

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Scorched_Cascade said:
Phlakes said:
*Huge snip*
How are you on sentence fragments or is this a "one battle at a time" thing? If you're coming after my fragment usage next I'd better start sandbagging.
Like this-

Phlakes said:
What I go by is "casual but correct". I let myself write fragmented sentences. Like this. But only for emphasis. I don't, however, let myself leave out a comma where there should be one like right after the "one" in this sentence. Mistakes like saying "they're table is big" are not correct or casual, just wrong.
Esotera said:
Don't forget 'could care less'.
I really can't believe I forgot that. That's one of my least favorites.

Redingold said:
Ooh, I was looking through this very carefully, trying to find a mistake, but you've let me down. Good job.

EDIT: Aha! Found one!

Phlakes said:
-Periods at the end of a sentence (I mean it's one extra key press, it's really not that hard)
There's no fullstop at the end of that sentence.
What are you talking about? I think you need to go re-read it...

 

Jedamethis

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I don't even have to think about full stops anymore. My index finger just jumps to it whenever I stop talking. In my head. Sorta. You know.

Yeah, I talk like I speak, because I pretty much am speaking (or the voice in my head is)
It sounds like Alistair today. 0.o
[sub]*crosses fingers* Come on, don't sound too crazy...[/sub]
 

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Amphoteric said:
I hate people misusing double negatives as in, "I didn't do nothing" when they mean "I didn't do anything".
Actually, that's called negative contour, in which you have two negative elements that match, similar to how you could say "yo hablo" in spanish even though both "yo" and "-o" dictate first person.
 

Scorched_Cascade

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Phlakes said:
Scorched_Cascade said:
Phlakes said:
*Huge snip*
How are you on sentence fragments or is this a "one battle at a time" thing? If you're coming after my fragment usage next I'd better start sandbagging.
Like this-

Phlakes said:
What I go by is "casual but correct". I let myself write fragmented sentences. Like this. But only for emphasis. I don't let myself leave out a comma where there should be one like right after the "one" in this sentence. Mistakes like saying "they're table is big" are not correct or casual, just wrong.
I read it, even though the large paragraph offended my eyes, I was playing to the "Grammar Nazi" aspect and the old poem "First they came for" (I'm not sure of its actual title and it's late). You say you "let" yourself write the sentences but you don't explicitly say whether they annoy you or not and you don't say whether using them is correct.
 

Jordi

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I find punctuation the hardest, personally. I don't really know when to use colons, semicolons, or dashes. I also have a problem with commas. In Dutch there are a bunch of rules for comma use, but although it is similar to English, it seems that the rules for commas are different. For instance, I'm fairly sure I used more commas in that last sentence than most people would.

I guess that's the hardest thing anyway, though: things that are similar yet different in your own native language. I feel a little doubtful every time I write something like "commas", because in Dutch the word is the same ("komma"), but the plural would very much use an apostrophe, because otherwise the last "a" would sound different. Which brings us to the problem of English having a pretty horrible relation between spelling and pronunciation of words.

I think that is a thing Grammar Nazis (I typed an apostrophe there again...) need to remember though: not everybody is being lazy. For a huge number of people English isn't a native language. And although I'm not that sure about it -- since I've never had that many problems --[footnote]Yeah, I'm just trying my best with the punctuation here, hoping that someone will correct me if I'm using it wrong.[/footnote] I think that English is actually a pretty hard language to learn. Even when there are rules for things, there are often so incredibly many exceptions that it is just ridiculous. I have no problem with people genuinely trying to educate each other, but a lot of the time that is not really the vibe I'm getting from Grammar Nazi's. OMG, *facepalm*, did I just write an apostrophe there!?

Jordi said:
but a lot of the time that is not really the vibe I'm getting from Grammar Nazi'sGrammar Nazis.
FTFY
 

Bajinga

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When I go onto social networking sites, I see people who attempt to be a Grammar Nazi, but they will correct people with sentences like this:

"Correcting these mistakes, you make my life funny."

This sentence, logically, implies that either one could be correcting the comment.

Hanging participles, they really, really frustrate me.


I also hate the "who" and "whom", "was" and "were". Firstly, "Whom" and "Who", is it really that difficult to tell a possessive word from an objective one? Secondly, "Was" and "Were", these two aren't really used that often; but when they are, the entire sentence annoys me, here's an example:

"I wish it was 12 O'clock."

Whereas, it should read:

"I wish it were 12 O'clock."

This is my input onto this thread.

Have fun with the Grammar Nazism.
 

Phlakes

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Scorched_Cascade said:
I read it, even though the large paragraph offended my eyes, I was playing to the "Grammar Nazi" aspect and the old poem "First they came for" (I'm not sure of its actual title and it's late). You say you "let" yourself write the sentences but you don't explicitly say whether they annoy you or not and you don't say whether using them is correct.
They're technically incorrect, but I don't care. I usually write like I speak, which includes short, emphasized sentences, so I make an exception for that. I just make sure to avoid them when I'm writing something formal.

Bajinga said:
...Your avatar... The pain...
 

Esotera

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Scorched_Cascade said:
Esotera said:
Don't forget 'could care less'. English would have been much simpler if the prescriptivist attitudes of the dictionary writers hadn't prevailed; it would be possible to spell a word however you felt like.
I could care less, I could also care more. My attitude is that if they're making the effort to say "I could care less" then they could indeed care less as they cared enough to comment. This would mean that what they are saying is correct and you getting angry over it is wrong.
It makes me angry because it is incredibly unclear, along with most idioms, when language is supposed to increase clarity of communication. Not because the phrase is newer than 'I couldn't care less'. Also I really didn't get the logic behind that argument...idioms by definition cannot be explained by their component words.
 

fragmaster09

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i say could of and would of because when i speak i say 'could've' and 'would've', so it makes sense for me to write similar to how i speak.

i am a grammar German... i'm not a Grammar Nazi, but i'm not non-Grammar Nazi either
 

DustyDrB

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Yay! Grammar! For what it is worth, I applaud this effort to spread knowledge.
Phlakes said:
Please don't color your entire posts. It hurts some people's eyes. We know you want to be unique, but it's really unnecessary.
This is true. I actually go ahead and hit the "ignore" button whenever I see someone use colored text for an entire post.
 

fragmaster09

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Kukulski said:
Punctuation is a ***** in English. In Polish we use a coma basically every time the sentence becomes remotely more complex (before "who", "when", "but", "so", "however", "no matter how" etc). It seems to me that in English there are either millions of rules or I should just rely on pure instinct.
don't even bother learning the rules mate, just go on instinct.