Japans death row makes prisoners go insane

[frank220]

The may be sick, twisted people, but they're still people...

 

[That Guy Ya Know]

God damn it, if I wasn't above stooping to their level I would personally wish that everyone supporting the Japanese would get wrongfully accused and end up there. And with a 99% conviction rate I'm betting they have a ton of wrongfully convicted people suffering through that hell.

Regardless of what else you want to say people on death row are still that people, and if you deny one person there humanity it's a slippery slope from there to the holocaust. (Yes Godwins law, so sue me.)

 

[Unknower]

All convicts are guilty, period. Otherwise they wouldn't be convicts, now would they?

Well that's a hilariously generalized statement. Tell that to the innocent who were/are wrongly imprisoned.
Does it happen everyday? Certainly not, but it happens.

Yeah, well, it was, like, kinda meant to be a joke*. Why would I write "Seriously though" after it if I meant it as a serious comment?

*Slightly changed line from TROOPS [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kww6nZ7bA90&feature=related], Star Wars -parody about COPS.

 

[ace_of_something]

You are all one bad mistake, one crazy situation, one wrong place wrong time, one passionate moment away from a life behind bars.

Yeah, but my mistake is leaving my soda on the hood roof of my car, or swearing infront of my grandmother.

NOT killing somebody.
I think you need a better understanding of REAL LIFE.

What? Dude, are you seriously saying you've NEVER done anything illegal? I didn't say death row I said jail. You've never forgot to put your insurance in your car? You've never speeded? You never were hanging out in the parking lot of a grocery store after it closed? You've never started yelling at your girlfriend? I've seen people come to jail for less. Nothing? You've never done ANYTHING illegal? Bull.

 

[Dr.Sean]

2 years tops. Anything else is cruel/a waste of taxpayer money.
EDIT: For the death penalty.

 

[Mcface]

You are all one bad mistake, one crazy situation, one wrong place wrong time, one passionate moment away from a life behind bars.

Yeah, but my mistake is leaving my soda on the hood roof of my car, or swearing infront of my grandmother.

NOT killing somebody.
I think you need a better understanding of REAL LIFE.

What? Dude, are you seriously saying you've NEVER done anything illegal? I didn't say death row I said jail. You've never forgot to put your insurance in your car? You've never speeded? You never were hanging out in the parking lot of a grocery store after it closed? You've never started yelling at your girlfriend? I've seen people come to jail for less. Nothing? You've never done ANYTHING illegal? Bull.

Are you honestly comparing loitering in a parking lot to murder?
wow.

 

[Zombus]

Here is a soulution: put in hidden cameras and make the Next Big Reality Hit, Survivor: Japanese Prison.

 

[Chicago Ted]

I'd probably have tried to commit suicide after a year or two of that. I'd just want it to be quick.

 

[Pilot Bush]

that's fucking brutal. AWESOME

 

[ace_of_something]

You are all one bad mistake, one crazy situation, one wrong place wrong time, one passionate moment away from a life behind bars.

Yeah, but my mistake is leaving my soda on the hood roof of my car, or swearing infront of my grandmother.

NOT killing somebody.
I think you need a better understanding of REAL LIFE.

What? Dude, are you seriously saying you've NEVER done anything illegal? I didn't say death row I said jail. You've never forgot to put your insurance in your car? You've never speeded? You never were hanging out in the parking lot of a grocery store after it closed? You've never started yelling at your girlfriend? I've seen people come to jail for less. Nothing? You've never done ANYTHING illegal? Bull.

Are you honestly comparing loitering in a parking lot to murder?
wow.

No, I am not making a comparison at all and that's the point. Your charges don't matter once you're in the system.

I am saying these are all things you can be incarcerated for and when you're in the system you get treated the same regardless of what security level you're at.

How would you feel if you were in jail for murder. Let's say you yelled at grandma and grandpa said "get out of my house" he's shoving you out the door you say "No! I want to get my shit first" You finally shove your way past him. Grandpa is old and frail when you shoved him he hit his head on the coat rack by the door pushing him into a stroke which killed him. Does that make you an evil person deserving of this torture? Very few murders are in the first degree most are situational. (we actually had a case very similar to that in this town)

The only point of security levels within jails is to keep the more dangerous away from the less dangerous. Everyone is treated the same. Extra punishments in jail/prison/death row like less yard time are because you misbehave in the correctional facility. If you take everything away right off the bat your inmate control goes down and any chance of behavioral improvement is gone because you have nothing else to take away.

Real Life? Think beyond your own life experience, try to empathize and understand people's situations. Think about the guy who can't make the rent and can't get a job because he got pinched once before so he resorts to drastic measures. Maybe if someone could give him a shot at a job he'd shift his focus. Think about the guy who's cousins get him hooked to meth now he needs to burglarize to keep up his habit. If he goes to jail for a while and moves out of town when he gets out he can start a new life.
No, I'm not saying these are good people. I'm not saying they are even the normal criminal. They're still people though.

 

[Vuljatar]

My thoughts: Shoot 'em in the head.

Seriously, why waste time and money? A bullet in the brain for each one of them.

 

[Mcface]

You are all one bad mistake, one crazy situation, one wrong place wrong time, one passionate moment away from a life behind bars.

Yeah, but my mistake is leaving my soda on the hood roof of my car, or swearing infront of my grandmother.

NOT killing somebody.
I think you need a better understanding of REAL LIFE.

What? Dude, are you seriously saying you've NEVER done anything illegal? I didn't say death row I said jail. You've never forgot to put your insurance in your car? You've never speeded? You never were hanging out in the parking lot of a grocery store after it closed? You've never started yelling at your girlfriend? I've seen people come to jail for less. Nothing? You've never done ANYTHING illegal? Bull.

Are you honestly comparing loitering in a parking lot to murder?
wow.

No, I am not making a comparison at all and that's the point. Your charges don't matter once you're in the system.

I am saying these are all things you can be incarcerated for and when you're in the system you get treated the same regardless of what security level you're at.

How would you feel if you were in jail for murder. Let's say you yelled at grandma and grandpa said "get out of my house" he's shoving you out the door you say "No! I want to get my shit first" You finally shove your way past him. Grandpa is old and frail when you shoved him he hit his head on the coat rack by the door pushing him into a stroke which killed him. Does that make you an evil person deserving of this torture? Very few murders are in the first degree most are situational. (we actually had a case very similar to that in this town)

The only point of security levels within jails is to keep the more dangerous away from the less dangerous. Everyone is treated the same. Extra punishments in jail/prison/death row like less yard time are because you misbehave in the correctional facility. If you take everything away right off the bat your inmate control goes down and any chance of behavioral improvement is gone because you have nothing else to take away.

Real Life? Think beyond your own life experience, try to empathize and understand people's situations. Think about the guy who can't make the rent and can't get a job because he got pinched once before so he resorts to drastic measures. Maybe if someone could give him a shot at a job he'd shift his focus. Think about the guy who's cousins get him hooked to meth now he needs to burglarize to keep up his habit. If he goes to jail for a while and moves out of town when he gets out he can start a new life.
No, I'm not saying these are good people. I'm not saying they are even the normal criminal. They're still people though.

You act as if killing someone is a common, easily made mistake. To kill someone, you have to work at it. there is no accidental "murder" there are "accidents" then there is "murder" there is no inbetween.
"Sure I beat the hell out of him, but I didn't want to kill him" that seems to happen a lot, but you know what? YOU killed the guy, its your FAULT, i dont give a fuck if you only wanted to hurt him, dude is dead and your ass belongs in jail.

Its simple, people have hard times in their lives, thats no excuse to do something like that. because once you steal from someone else who busts their ass to get where they are, so you can get ahead, your an instant scumbag, and all the points in the argument go out the window.

My best friend lived in his truck for a month, and you know what? He worked EVERY day legitimately until he could get out of his truck, and into an apartment. He didn't steal from anyone, he never mugged anyone. If he can, other people can. Theres no excuse for that kind of shit, period.

 

[ace_of_something]

You are all one bad mistake, one crazy situation, one wrong place wrong time, one passionate moment away from a life behind bars.

Yeah, but my mistake is leaving my soda on the hood roof of my car, or swearing infront of my grandmother.

NOT killing somebody.
I think you need a better understanding of REAL LIFE.

What? Dude, are you seriously saying you've NEVER done anything illegal? I didn't say death row I said jail. You've never forgot to put your insurance in your car? You've never speeded? You never were hanging out in the parking lot of a grocery store after it closed? You've never started yelling at your girlfriend? I've seen people come to jail for less. Nothing? You've never done ANYTHING illegal? Bull.

Are you honestly comparing loitering in a parking lot to murder?
wow.

No, I am not making a comparison at all and that's the point. Your charges don't matter once you're in the system.

I am saying these are all things you can be incarcerated for and when you're in the system you get treated the same regardless of what security level you're at.

How would you feel if you were in jail for murder. Let's say you yelled at grandma and grandpa said "get out of my house" he's shoving you out the door you say "No! I want to get my shit first" You finally shove your way past him. Grandpa is old and frail when you shoved him he hit his head on the coat rack by the door pushing him into a stroke which killed him. Does that make you an evil person deserving of this torture? Very few murders are in the first degree most are situational. (we actually had a case very similar to that in this town)

The only point of security levels within jails is to keep the more dangerous away from the less dangerous. Everyone is treated the same. Extra punishments in jail/prison/death row like less yard time are because you misbehave in the correctional facility. If you take everything away right off the bat your inmate control goes down and any chance of behavioral improvement is gone because you have nothing else to take away.

Real Life? Think beyond your own life experience, try to empathize and understand people's situations. Think about the guy who can't make the rent and can't get a job because he got pinched once before so he resorts to drastic measures. Maybe if someone could give him a shot at a job he'd shift his focus. Think about the guy who's cousins get him hooked to meth now he needs to burglarize to keep up his habit. If he goes to jail for a while and moves out of town when he gets out he can start a new life.
No, I'm not saying these are good people. I'm not saying they are even the normal criminal. They're still people though.

You act as if killing someone is a common, easily made mistake. To kill someone, you have to work at it. there is no accidental "murder" there are "accidents" then there is "murder" there is no inbetween.
"Sure I beat the hell out of him, but I didn't want to kill him" that seems to happen a lot, but you know what? YOU killed the guy, its your FAULT, i dont give a fuck if you only wanted to hurt him, dude is dead and your ass belongs in jail.

Its simple, people have hard times in their lives, thats no excuse to do something like that. because once you steal from someone else, so you cant get ahead, your an instant scumbag, and all the points in the argument go out the window.

My best friend lived in his truck for a month, and you know what? He worked EVERY day legitimately until he could get out of his truck, and into an apartment. He didn't steal from anyone, he never mugged anyone. If he can, other people can. Theres no excuse for that kind of shit, period.

And if his truck got towed while he was at work?

 

[Ninja_X]

Rapists and murderers deserve worse.

 

[Mcface]

You are all one bad mistake, one crazy situation, one wrong place wrong time, one passionate moment away from a life behind bars.

Yeah, but my mistake is leaving my soda on the hood roof of my car, or swearing infront of my grandmother.

NOT killing somebody.
I think you need a better understanding of REAL LIFE.

What? Dude, are you seriously saying you've NEVER done anything illegal? I didn't say death row I said jail. You've never forgot to put your insurance in your car? You've never speeded? You never were hanging out in the parking lot of a grocery store after it closed? You've never started yelling at your girlfriend? I've seen people come to jail for less. Nothing? You've never done ANYTHING illegal? Bull.

Are you honestly comparing loitering in a parking lot to murder?
wow.

No, I am not making a comparison at all and that's the point. Your charges don't matter once you're in the system.

I am saying these are all things you can be incarcerated for and when you're in the system you get treated the same regardless of what security level you're at.

How would you feel if you were in jail for murder. Let's say you yelled at grandma and grandpa said "get out of my house" he's shoving you out the door you say "No! I want to get my shit first" You finally shove your way past him. Grandpa is old and frail when you shoved him he hit his head on the coat rack by the door pushing him into a stroke which killed him. Does that make you an evil person deserving of this torture? Very few murders are in the first degree most are situational. (we actually had a case very similar to that in this town)

The only point of security levels within jails is to keep the more dangerous away from the less dangerous. Everyone is treated the same. Extra punishments in jail/prison/death row like less yard time are because you misbehave in the correctional facility. If you take everything away right off the bat your inmate control goes down and any chance of behavioral improvement is gone because you have nothing else to take away.

Real Life? Think beyond your own life experience, try to empathize and understand people's situations. Think about the guy who can't make the rent and can't get a job because he got pinched once before so he resorts to drastic measures. Maybe if someone could give him a shot at a job he'd shift his focus. Think about the guy who's cousins get him hooked to meth now he needs to burglarize to keep up his habit. If he goes to jail for a while and moves out of town when he gets out he can start a new life.
No, I'm not saying these are good people. I'm not saying they are even the normal criminal. They're still people though.

You act as if killing someone is a common, easily made mistake. To kill someone, you have to work at it. there is no accidental "murder" there are "accidents" then there is "murder" there is no inbetween.
"Sure I beat the hell out of him, but I didn't want to kill him" that seems to happen a lot, but you know what? YOU killed the guy, its your FAULT, i dont give a fuck if you only wanted to hurt him, dude is dead and your ass belongs in jail.

Its simple, people have hard times in their lives, thats no excuse to do something like that. because once you steal from someone else, so you cant get ahead, your an instant scumbag, and all the points in the argument go out the window.

My best friend lived in his truck for a month, and you know what? He worked EVERY day legitimately until he could get out of his truck, and into an apartment. He didn't steal from anyone, he never mugged anyone. If he can, other people can. Theres no excuse for that kind of shit, period.

And if his truck got towed while he was at work?

He would walk like a normal functioning human?

what the hell is wrong with you that you thing crime against another innocent person is justified, regardless of your own situation? Once you do that, any deserved sympathy is lost because it shows your willing to put someone in your position, so you dont have to be.

 

[letsnoobtehpwns]

I think they deserve it.

 

[iron codpiece]

Spoiler: holy text wall batman

You are all one bad mistake, one crazy situation, one wrong place wrong time, one passionate moment away from a life behind bars.

Yeah, but my mistake is leaving my soda on the hood roof of my car, or swearing infront of my grandmother.

NOT killing somebody.
I think you need a better understanding of REAL LIFE.

What? Dude, are you seriously saying you've NEVER done anything illegal? I didn't say death row I said jail. You've never forgot to put your insurance in your car? You've never speeded? You never were hanging out in the parking lot of a grocery store after it closed? You've never started yelling at your girlfriend? I've seen people come to jail for less. Nothing? You've never done ANYTHING illegal? Bull.

Are you honestly comparing loitering in a parking lot to murder?
wow.

No, I am not making a comparison at all and that's the point. Your charges don't matter once you're in the system.

I am saying these are all things you can be incarcerated for and when you're in the system you get treated the same regardless of what security level you're at.

How would you feel if you were in jail for murder. Let's say you yelled at grandma and grandpa said "get out of my house" he's shoving you out the door you say "No! I want to get my shit first" You finally shove your way past him. Grandpa is old and frail when you shoved him he hit his head on the coat rack by the door pushing him into a stroke which killed him. Does that make you an evil person deserving of this torture? Very few murders are in the first degree most are situational. (we actually had a case very similar to that in this town)

The only point of security levels within jails is to keep the more dangerous away from the less dangerous. Everyone is treated the same. Extra punishments in jail/prison/death row like less yard time are because you misbehave in the correctional facility. If you take everything away right off the bat your inmate control goes down and any chance of behavioral improvement is gone because you have nothing else to take away.

Real Life? Think beyond your own life experience, try to empathize and understand people's situations. Think about the guy who can't make the rent and can't get a job because he got pinched once before so he resorts to drastic measures. Maybe if someone could give him a shot at a job he'd shift his focus. Think about the guy who's cousins get him hooked to meth now he needs to burglarize to keep up his habit. If he goes to jail for a while and moves out of town when he gets out he can start a new life.
No, I'm not saying these are good people. I'm not saying they are even the normal criminal. They're still people though.

You act as if killing someone is a common, easily made mistake. To kill someone, you have to work at it. there is no accidental "murder" there are "accidents" then there is "murder" there is no inbetween.
"Sure I beat the hell out of him, but I didn't want to kill him" that seems to happen a lot, but you know what? YOU killed the guy, its your FAULT, i dont give a fuck if you only wanted to hurt him, dude is dead and your ass belongs in jail.

Its simple, people have hard times in their lives, thats no excuse to do something like that. because once you steal from someone else, so you cant get ahead, your an instant scumbag, and all the points in the argument go out the window.

My best friend lived in his truck for a month, and you know what? He worked EVERY day legitimately until he could get out of his truck, and into an apartment. He didn't steal from anyone, he never mugged anyone. If he can, other people can. Theres no excuse for that kind of shit, period.

And if his truck got towed while he was at work?

He would walk like a normal functioning human?

what the hell is wrong with you that you thing crime against another innocent person is justified, regardless of your own situation? Once you do that, any deserved sympathy is lost because it shows your willing to put someone in your position, so you dont have to be.

You said he lived in his truck. So than he would have to sleep on the streets and he would be... arrested for request to leave or trespass? Miss a few days at work while he waits for a bond hearing. A good man who works hard still can end up in jail.


What about Tookie Williams? He was guilty as hell. In prison he wrote books about being against gang activity and made PSAs in the LA area. Yeah he was still put to death and that was his punishment. That's fine. If he were in japans system NO good would come out of it. At least in our system he might have served as a warning to some kids somewhere.

And by your logic while I sat in jail and was about to be shipped off to prison I would've been executed. Why? I was falsely accused of rape. I owe ace_of_something my life. While he was OFF DUTY he found security tapes of the woman who accused me of this doing other things at the time of the alleged rape and all charges were dropped after a quick appeal. Thanks to people like you who see the world in black and white it took me a long fucking time to find a job again even though I was acquitted. The only reason I didn't live on the streets is because I was lucky enough to have a lot of friends who would take me in for a week at a time or so.

 

[Mcface]

Spoiler: holy text wall batman

You are all one bad mistake, one crazy situation, one wrong place wrong time, one passionate moment away from a life behind bars.

Yeah, but my mistake is leaving my soda on the hood roof of my car, or swearing infront of my grandmother.

NOT killing somebody.
I think you need a better understanding of REAL LIFE.

What? Dude, are you seriously saying you've NEVER done anything illegal? I didn't say death row I said jail. You've never forgot to put your insurance in your car? You've never speeded? You never were hanging out in the parking lot of a grocery store after it closed? You've never started yelling at your girlfriend? I've seen people come to jail for less. Nothing? You've never done ANYTHING illegal? Bull.

Are you honestly comparing loitering in a parking lot to murder?
wow.

No, I am not making a comparison at all and that's the point. Your charges don't matter once you're in the system.

I am saying these are all things you can be incarcerated for and when you're in the system you get treated the same regardless of what security level you're at.

How would you feel if you were in jail for murder. Let's say you yelled at grandma and grandpa said "get out of my house" he's shoving you out the door you say "No! I want to get my shit first" You finally shove your way past him. Grandpa is old and frail when you shoved him he hit his head on the coat rack by the door pushing him into a stroke which killed him. Does that make you an evil person deserving of this torture? Very few murders are in the first degree most are situational. (we actually had a case very similar to that in this town)

The only point of security levels within jails is to keep the more dangerous away from the less dangerous. Everyone is treated the same. Extra punishments in jail/prison/death row like less yard time are because you misbehave in the correctional facility. If you take everything away right off the bat your inmate control goes down and any chance of behavioral improvement is gone because you have nothing else to take away.

Real Life? Think beyond your own life experience, try to empathize and understand people's situations. Think about the guy who can't make the rent and can't get a job because he got pinched once before so he resorts to drastic measures. Maybe if someone could give him a shot at a job he'd shift his focus. Think about the guy who's cousins get him hooked to meth now he needs to burglarize to keep up his habit. If he goes to jail for a while and moves out of town when he gets out he can start a new life.
No, I'm not saying these are good people. I'm not saying they are even the normal criminal. They're still people though.

You act as if killing someone is a common, easily made mistake. To kill someone, you have to work at it. there is no accidental "murder" there are "accidents" then there is "murder" there is no inbetween.
"Sure I beat the hell out of him, but I didn't want to kill him" that seems to happen a lot, but you know what? YOU killed the guy, its your FAULT, i dont give a fuck if you only wanted to hurt him, dude is dead and your ass belongs in jail.

Its simple, people have hard times in their lives, thats no excuse to do something like that. because once you steal from someone else, so you cant get ahead, your an instant scumbag, and all the points in the argument go out the window.

My best friend lived in his truck for a month, and you know what? He worked EVERY day legitimately until he could get out of his truck, and into an apartment. He didn't steal from anyone, he never mugged anyone. If he can, other people can. Theres no excuse for that kind of shit, period.

And if his truck got towed while he was at work?

He would walk like a normal functioning human?

what the hell is wrong with you that you thing crime against another innocent person is justified, regardless of your own situation? Once you do that, any deserved sympathy is lost because it shows your willing to put someone in your position, so you dont have to be.

You said he lived in his truck. So than he would have to sleep on the streets and he would be... arrested for request to leave or trespass? Miss a few days at work while he waits for a bond hearing. A good man who works hard still can end up in jail.


What about Tookie Williams? He was guilty as hell. In prison he wrote books about being against gang activity and made PSAs in the LA area. Yeah he was still put to death and that was his punishment. That's fine. If he were in japans system NO good would come out of it. At least in our system he might have served as a warning to some kids somewhere.

And by your logic while I sat in jail and was about to be shipped off to prison I would've been executed. Why? I was falsely accused of rape. I owe ace_of_something my life. While he was OFF DUTY he found security tapes of the woman who accused me of this doing other things at the time of the alleged rape and all charges were dropped after a quick appeal. Thanks to people like you who see the world in black and white it took me a long fucking time to find a job again even though I was acquitted. The only reason I didn't live on the streets is because I was lucky enough to have a lot of friends who would take me in for a week at a time or so.

What about him? He is in jail for a damn reason, just because he suddenly thinks "drugs are bad, stay in school." you know why he suddenly changed? BECAUSE HE GOT CAUGHT. dont think for a second if he didn't, he would have changed. its all bullshit to save his own ass.

And you obviously didn't even read the argument. We are talking about people who have been PROVEN guilty, but try to say "oh it was an accident I didnt mean to" or people who commit crimes because they have a rough patch in life. your story is irrelevant.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Sounds like it would be kinder to just kill 'em right off. I mean, really. Isolation will tend to drive people out of their minds anyway. Besides, if you kill them when they're insane, isn't that a little unsatisfying?