Jennifer Hepler leaves Bioware due to threats by fans

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Abomination

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Surprise surprise, it wasn't because of death threats.

I mean, I thought she wasn't the best of writers but I didn't think she was stupid.

When has a game developer or their family ever been physically harmed because of how they made a game?
 

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Oban said:
/v/ is apparently celebrating the occasion: http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/205238974/

/v/ doesn't care for Notch I take it since he's on their photographic shit-list?
 

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KeyMaster45 said:
Oban said:
/v/ is apparently celebrating the occasion: http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/205238974/

/v/ doesn't care for Notch I take it since he's on their photographic shit-list?
I think they feel personally betrayed by him or some shit like that.
 

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This is why we can't have nice things god dammit! Because we live in a world where you can specifically threaten the lives of someone's children, and people (presumably people who would object to the killing of children) will shrug it off as 'shit happens.' How the hell are we in a world where nobody has gotten arrested over this?

This is why I can almost never identify as a Bioware fan because this fanbase easily contains among the worst scum the gaming community has ever seen. Sure people on CoD will call you every horrible word in the history of language, but I've yet to hear a Call of Duty player go this far.

Even if for whatever reason she's using this as a smokescreen or the threats were hollow, I think the police absolutely should be involved, because if someone thinks it's even remotely acceptable to say to someone "I am going to murder your children" for any reason, they're crazy and need to be looked into.
 

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Just give the IP's in question to the feds. See if they still think it's funny when they are behind bars.

I can dream, can I?
 

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Why. WHY.

What the FUCK is wrong with people and threatening game developers?

I get getting mad at decisions made for a game(*cough* ME3/DA2 *cough*), but at the end of the day it's just a game and you should move on. If you're still mad just make a civil email of complaints, but since this is the internet that's 30% chance of happening.

When someone makes serious threats against another for rather petty reasons, then that person better back the fuck up and reevaluate their stupidity.

Also, I wonder if any of the fools realize if you make a serious enough threat against another they could be traced back to their IP address. Anonymity only works as far as the computer screen, jackasses.
 

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And I know it's controversial, but DA2's patchwork story ran circles around DA:O's hackneyed one.
On that I can agree whole-heartedly. :3
 

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Death threats are not cool, but she's a terrible writer and it's probably a good thing that she won't have her stupid fuckin' Twilight inspired ideas infest more Bioware games.
 

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Jesus, I just came from a thread where I defended the gaming communities right to ***** and moan.

Unfortunately, when a franchise gets such a huge fanbase the small part of fuck ups seem louder and they get together and become even nastier. They're like Cranium rats, I guess.

But this is awful. Blown out of proportion a bit but awful.
 

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Have I missed something?DA2 came out like 2 and a half years ago.Are people still making threats to her over it?

Because the only thing that's more dumb than threatening someone over a video game is threatening someone over a video game that came out years ago
there was a big post on reddit misattributing quotes to her to make it look like she forced homosexual romance into ME3 to fulfill a fetish... because to some people being inclusive to non-heterosexuals is forcing gayness on them. The fact that she's a woman too... well, you only need look at the twitter debacle that snowballed over a campaign to keep a non-royal woman on British banknotes in the last couple of weeks to see some internet 'tough guys' do not get along with women.

Personally speaking, I remember in one thread having to deal with people who had decided the one actual quote she had said was her 'declaring herself a spokesman for all women', or that a 'mother should never game or she's being irresponsible,' words or sentiments she had in no way said or made.
 

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All the woman suggested- YEARS AGO I might add, was that the same way you can skip unnecessary cutscenes in games, the same way you should also be able to skip battles that are only there for the sake of wasting time.
That's all she fucking said.
Then a bunch of assholes come out of nowhere hype up her long old words on 4chan after DA2 failed to live up to writing expectations, and made a good chunk of the gaming community decide it was a good idea to flood the woman's Twitter account with insults and death threats. The problem only escalated when she directly insulted the assailant responsible, and he- not being able to take an ounce of his own heat- cried like a fucking child.

I cannot believe even to this day people are still acting like trash towards her.
Then again, it seems after ME3, a lot of staff over at Bioware are starting to break down. Especially when the last article I read about them was from a writer who can't bear to browse the BSN forums due to how toxic it is.
The guy wasn't even getting personal threats and he was on the verge of quitting. I can't imagine what she was facing on a daily basis.

I will admit, I am, and still are, sorely disappointed in the way they handled all of ME3. Ending included.
However I'm not jaded enough to believe it's all the writers fault; yet alone, a single person. I blame it on EA and their bullshit time constraints and suits who wanted a quick buck.
That being said, I would NEVER send death threats to them for that.
Yeah, it is amazing at how people still hold a grudge over that. Then again, gamers still pitch fits over stuff like Other M, Nintendo's motion controls, and The Old Republic existing, so it's par for the course. Assholes like this give a bad name to people who have legitimate, level-headed criticisms towards ACTUALLY terrible things (such as Ninja Theory's awful attempt at a DMC reboot)
 

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Some days, I feel like proposing temporary bans from the whole damn internet for certain behaviours.

This is one of those days.
I agree.

Remove their toxicity to others, and force them to interact with the real world for a while, where there are consequences.
 

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RJ 17 said:
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RJ 17 said:
Yeah, I remember that interview, and I remember my reaction to it being "Well it seems like you shouldn't have gotten into the gaming business in the first place."
It's a pity about the threats against her kids, and I understand Hepler's reaction. Death threats are serious, illegal, and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

But "I settled for this job" is how I took the interview as well. She's a writer, but wants people to "fast-forward" through her writing? Didn't sound like she took a whole lot of pride or interest in her work.
Actually she said she wanted people to be able to fast-forward through the game just so they could get to the writing. "Games have a way to button-through dialogue so people who aren't interested in it can get back to the fun of the game. There should be a way to skip the combat so people who like the dialogue can just enjoy that." or something along those lines, too lazy to scroll back up and read the actual quote. xD

Still, that statement PROVES that she just settled on gaming. She's a writer and wants people to enjoy her stories, I completely understand that. Sooooooooo why is she writing in an industry where the story is, for the most part, entirely optional and can just be "buttoned-through"? Shouldn't she be writing, oh I don't know....BOOKS? Or at least something where the story CAN'T be skipped through? Maybe she did try writing stuff like that and no one was interested in publishing it. If that's the case, then maybe she shouldn't be a writer in the first place. I honestly don't know if that's the situation she was in - that the gaming industry being the only place she could get a job writing, having tried and not been accepted in other areas - but I do know this: you might love to cook, but if all you can cook is Macaroni & Cheese, no restaurant is going to hire you.
She gets to write stories, diaogue and charecters that thousands of people get to experience and live. Thats what writers do. Not being a keen gamer doesnt mean she settled. If she was designing the combat system etc and hated it then maybe. Even then plenty of programmers and graphic artists work on things that are not their first love. You can still enjoy the process and take pride in the finished work. There must be others that wish there was a skip feature for the game as there is an audience for lets play videos.

Would you feel the same about artist who build worlds and charecters for games, and enjoy doing so, but arent keen on gaming or the genre of the current project?
 

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That's too bad. I mean, it isn't like there was anything wrong with her that wasn't also wrong with the rest of Bioware (the creative staff, at least). I certainly would have liked to see her improve significantly as a writer (perhaps get beyond 'okay fan fiction' to 'mediocre pulp fantasy' at least), and her attitudes towards gameplay made her incapable of crafting a cohesive game narrative instead of story sequences with irrelevant combat and fetch-quests tacked on, but that's no call to go threatening kids who have nothing to do with it.

Still, this is one of the worst ways for a professional to handle a situation like this. She should probably be careful never to go into journalism.
 

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bjj hero said:
She gets to write stories, diaogue and charecters that thousands of people get to experience and live. Thats what writers do. Not being a keen gamer doesnt mean she settled. If she was designing the combat system etc and hated it then maybe. Even then plenty of programmers and graphic artists work on things that are not their first love. You can still enjoy the process and take pride in the finished work. There must be others that wish there was a skip feature for the game as there is an audience for lets play videos.

Would you feel the same about artist who build worlds and charecters for games, and enjoy doing so, but arent keen on gaming or the genre of the current project?
It's not that she's not good at gaming, her statements indicate that she doesn't like gaming in general. Specifically the fact that, if you want, you can just skip right on through all the character, dialogue, and stories that she worked so hard on writing if you're not interested in them. To contrast that, she wishes there was a "fast forward" button so that you could skip through all the actual gameplay and just go through the story.

This indicates that she'd be much happier writing in a different medium, one where she could be assured that people were enjoying the stories she wrote. I don't know how she ended up in the gaming industry with an attitude of "My least favorite thing about the gaming industry is the games", but to me that says "I settled here because it was a job that could use my talents in writing. Is it ideal? No, but at least I'm writing." That's "settling" my friend, taking a job in a field when you'd clearly be happier in another.

As such, yeah, I'd say the same about a game graphical designer if had the same "The worst thing about the gaming industry is the games" mentality. Not being good at games is fine, not liking the genre you're currently working on is fine. You STILL wanted to be a game world designer though. That's completely different from saying "I wish we could fastforward through the gameplay sections of the game and just get all the story bits." Those are the words of someone who doesn't really like the industry they're in, in general. As such: they settled for it.
 

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CriticKitten said:
Delerien said:
Also this Interview has not gone over well:

Q: What is your least favorite thing about working in the industry?

A: Playing the games. This is probably a terrible thing to admit, but it has definitely been the single most difficult thing for me. I came into the job out of a love of writing, not a love of playing games... I'm really terrible at so many things which most games use incessantly -- I have awful hand-eye coordination, I don't like tactics, I don't like fighting, I don't like keeping track of inventory, and I can't read a game map to save my life.

Q: If you could tell developers of games to make sure to put one thing in games to appeal to a broader audience which includes women, what would that one thing be?

A: A fast-forward button. Games almost always include a way to "button through" dialogue without paying attention, because they understand that some players don't enjoy listening to dialogue and they don't want to stop their fun. Yet they persist in practically coming into your living room and forcing you to play through the combats even if you're a player who only enjoys the dialogue.
Not to defend the idiots for being idiots, here, but that interview's kind of damning.

Why exactly is she working in an industry she doesn't actually enjoy herself? She admits that she doesn't like actually playing video games and wants them to include fast-forward buttons....that's basically an admission that she doesn't like video games.

So....why accept a career in the field? This is partially why developers tend to be so far out of touch with what gamers actually want....because some of them aren't gamers, or worse still, actually don't even LIKE video games at all.

I'm not defending stupid people for being stupid, these people who made these threats are awful horrible people. But it sounds to me like she was in this job for all the wrong reasons to begin with, so forgive me if I don't really lament her departure either. She basically admits she only picked this job because she loves to write....so maybe she should've been an author instead. Because game play is sort of important in a video game. Just sayin'.
Yes, but that can be true for a lot of writers in the industry.
You aren't hiring writers in games because they like games. You are hiring them because they can make a good story. Just like you make a story for a book, she was making a story for a game.
That does not necessitate that she enjoy, or rather, be good at playing games.
How many people have you seen on here say they like Mass Effect for the story, and couldn't give two shits about the game? Quite a few people. In fact, more people talk about the story in Mass Effect, then any of the gameplay elements.
Now I am aware that Hepler did not have any relation to the Mass Effect games. However the same can be applied to DA.
She was hired because she has shown that she is good at storytelling.
That's it.
That is her job.
To collaborate with other authors on how the story should go.
No where in that job description "loves to play videogames" is included.
She doesn't like to play games. Fine. That has no affect on the game what so ever.
It's not like she is directly in charge of making the gameplay, character art, coding, modeling, etc. For if she was indeed in THOSE fields and said that, then I can perhaps agree with you on this.
But a writer? Not really.
 

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RJ 17 said:
bjj hero said:
She gets to write stories, diaogue and charecters that thousands of people get to experience and live. Thats what writers do. Not being a keen gamer doesnt mean she settled. If she was designing the combat system etc and hated it then maybe. Even then plenty of programmers and graphic artists work on things that are not their first love. You can still enjoy the process and take pride in the finished work. There must be others that wish there was a skip feature for the game as there is an audience for lets play videos.

Would you feel the same about artist who build worlds and charecters for games, and enjoy doing so, but arent keen on gaming or the genre of the current project?
It's not that she's not good at gaming, her statements indicate that she doesn't like gaming in general. Specifically the fact that, if you want, you can just skip right on through all the character, dialogue, and stories that she worked so hard on writing if you're not interested in them. To contrast that, she wishes there was a "fast forward" button so that you could skip through all the actual gameplay and just go through the story.

This indicates that she'd be much happier writing in a different medium, one where she could be assured that people were enjoying the stories she wrote. I don't know how she ended up in the gaming industry with an attitude of "My least favorite thing about the gaming industry is the games", but to me that says "I settled here because it was a job that could use my talents in writing. Is it ideal? No, but at least I'm writing." That's "settling" my friend, taking a job in a field when you'd clearly be happier in another.

As such, yeah, I'd say the same about a game graphical designer if had the same "The worst thing about the gaming industry is the games" mentality. Not being good at games is fine, not liking the genre you're currently working on is fine. You STILL wanted to be a game world designer though. That's completely different from saying "I wish we could fastforward through the gameplay sections of the game and just get all the story bits." Those are the words of someone who doesn't really like the industry they're in, in general. As such: they settled for it.
Not really.
You'd be surprised how a lot of people have criticized games now a days for simply having battles that are time wasters. If you read the whole interview she stated that she wasn't saying to skip ALL of the gameplay to get to the cutscenes.
She was only referring to battles and bosses that serve absolutely no purpose to the story but to further prolong the game and waste the players time. That's the stuff she was referring to that the player should be allowed to skip. And you would be surprised with how many people can agree to that.

That said, I agree with the person you are talking to.
They hired her to write stories. Not to make videogames. Her sole purpose for working at Bioware, was to add story and context to whatever game they are working on. This doesn't require her to so much as touch anything related to gaming at all.
You can hate playing videogames, but love the characters in them. I have heard of quite a few people who enjoy Mass Effect, but never bothered to play the games, because they can watch all the cutscenes and different scenarios on Youtube. Since they only cared about the story, and can access that through a video website, they have no desire to own the game. In fact, I can even say that was me at some point, before I picked up the first two games on a Steam sale.

Another example is that you can be a concept artists for a videogame company, absolutely LOVE designing, fleshing out, and creating new characters for said game, but have zero interest in actually playing the game.
Take Steven Merchant- the voice of Wheatley in Portal 2 for example. In many interviews he talked about how much he absolutely loved doing voice acting for the character. Even though it was hell for a lot of the times. Yet when they ask him about the game itself, not only did he state that he still doesn't understand the whole hype behind the game.(yet alone what it's really about) but he never even bothered to play the free Portal 2 copy Valve gave him, nor does he care about it in the slightest.

Case in point- Hepler not liking to play videogames, does not affect the quality (or lack thereof) of the story of said games. You can have people who could care less about games make critically acclaimed stories in said games, and people who enjoy writing and playing games, make the most abysmal slosh the world has seen since Twilight.
Did that stop him from being a superb voice actor in the game? No. He even said he would do it again if asked to.
 

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Well the good news is she isn't actually doing any of the writing. Means don't justify the ends though.

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