s69-5 said:
Treblaine said:
You just proved me right... because you forgot what I said.
No I didn't. Your argument was that you can't get deals (or even look at the deals) on PSN without PSN+. You made some fanboyish claims about the PC vs consoles (an argument that is both tired and trite). And if I missed anything else, well, it's hard to decipher your argument past the yelling, hyperbole and misinformation. Most of your argument comes off as someone who has never even been in the same room as someone on PSN.
Finally, I posted what I did to put it all in perspective. If I get a 69% discount as a free user (1 person -results may vary, so keep your supposed and possible made number of 75% on Steam to yourself) then surely users who are paying for the service are seeing greater returns. Wasn't it mentionned somewhere that the content had a value of just over $2000? If someone was to obtain all that, then removing the $50 is a drop in the bucket.
Here's a thought, maybe actually boot up a PS3 and visit PSN before commenting next time?
Your argument was that you can't get PSN deals without PSN+
That was PART of my argument that PS-Plus sucks, and it's TRUE a lot of deals you CANNOT get without subscribing to Playstation Plus.
I was only wrong that there were a few games that had discount promotions available to people who hadn't subscribed.
But still you are missing my central point of comparison of Steam (and other PC services) with Sony Store with and without Playstation Plus. That steam service offers more for less. It offers more discounts and NONE are placed behind any subscription wall. Anyone immediately right now can make a steam account and get access to these deals.
You have focused on the means to the end and forgotten the end in itself... getting better value for money.
You made some fanboyish claims
Look who's talking. And yet another in a long list of accusations without any explanation or examples, I don't even know what I have to amend in my approach. I've told you what you need to improve on: be specific.
It's text. Text cannot yell. One word in block capitals cannot constitute even figurative yelling. Where is the hyperbole? what misinformation? How can you make such accusations without examples.
Stating this AGAIN ignoring my counter point, this is disinformation and unlike your vague accusations I will be specific. I made clear that discount % is not illustrative of a better deal if they are discounting from a higher price, for example %66 off can be better than 75% off if it is 66% off $9.99 compared to 75% off $14.99.
then surely users who are paying for the service are seeing greater returns.
That logic doesn't follow, as people can be conned out of their money by paying first and accepting WHATEVER comes later when they wouldn't have bought it (even if they cost overall would be the same) because they haven't been roped into a financial commitment. It's mini-bar economics, just because someone drinks from the mini-bar doesn't mean it's good value for money.
Wasn't it mentionned somewhere that the content had a value of just over $2000?
Irrelevant, as it assumes you want every game on sale and want to get it on Playstation 3.
If I have 20 thousand items in my store and put 10c off each one, that's a "$2000 value". It's playing around with numbers in a way that is worthless to consumers just to make it seem good. Putting the really great deals behind a big subscription fee stops someone just taking a few deals from PS Plus, they have to go all-in and are oBLIGED to buy many more games than they necessarily want
This is accusation is regularly levelled against steam, but this is LITERALLY the situation with Playstation Plus, you MUST buy lots of games to just break even on PS Plus.
Here's a thought, maybe actually boot up a PS3 and visit PSN before commenting next time?
(1) I have, but stopped using it months ago as it was too damn depressing searching for anything that wasn't a rip off.
(2) how about you do the same for Steam and Gog.com particular www.steamprices.com
