Jimquisition: Hardcore Hypocrisy
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What was that game pixelated 2d platforming game Jim showed when he was talking about ios games? It looked quite cool.
We're a tribal species. Anything different than us scares us, so we find reasons to hate it. We're also an entitled species that feels everything must be what we want and how we want it, thus overly defend our favorites, while deriding all others.
Anyone that denies a difference between a "casual" and "hardcore" gamer is fooling themselves. I've been asked what I was playing a lot, only to get weird looks from people that just know bejeweled, even for something as basic as Dragon Quest, let alone some of the more "out there" JRPGs. One yesterday didn't even know the term RPG, leaving me with the task of trying to explain Fate/Extra in 60 seconds, all just to make conversation. I have nothing against causal gamers or casual games, but there is a line, just as there are big big readers, and people that only read Harry Potter and the Da Vinci Code.
And we need to find a balance between the two. I understand the fear people have: that just as TV has been rotted down to endless reality shows, talent contests, and the antics of former stars, that we'll see further Skyrims, and more Bejeweled knockoffs. Yet, I have the fear we'll win, and videogaming can go the way of comic book: an industry dying for revenues because there aren't enough hardcore fans to support it, but those same fans won't let things become accessable. Yes, we need casual games to get people started, but we also need games that move them foreward. Infinity Blade to whatever sounds good for that.
Anyone that denies a difference between a "casual" and "hardcore" gamer is fooling themselves. I've been asked what I was playing a lot, only to get weird looks from people that just know bejeweled, even for something as basic as Dragon Quest, let alone some of the more "out there" JRPGs. One yesterday didn't even know the term RPG, leaving me with the task of trying to explain Fate/Extra in 60 seconds, all just to make conversation. I have nothing against causal gamers or casual games, but there is a line, just as there are big big readers, and people that only read Harry Potter and the Da Vinci Code.
And we need to find a balance between the two. I understand the fear people have: that just as TV has been rotted down to endless reality shows, talent contests, and the antics of former stars, that we'll see further Skyrims, and more Bejeweled knockoffs. Yet, I have the fear we'll win, and videogaming can go the way of comic book: an industry dying for revenues because there aren't enough hardcore fans to support it, but those same fans won't let things become accessable. Yes, we need casual games to get people started, but we also need games that move them foreward. Infinity Blade to whatever sounds good for that.
Just go through all his posts and find every instance of hypocrisy in which he flames, acts smug or superior to PC gamers for being arrogant asswipes. No matter how often people prove him wrong, he just ignores it and continues on his crusade.Frostbite3789 said:
Because if you actually look BEYOND the superficial, then MW3 has been a brilliant addition.Daystar Clarion said:
I've taken a look at the weapons stats and you know they are really really impressive how they have been balanced. The mathematics of it is quite impressive as at times its like a card game like blackjack only you are adding up to 100 rather than 21 in choosing the ideal weapon to take people down quickest without being redundant.
Its got so many great little quirks and has such significant differences from weapon to weapon like the difference between a rifle that deals 35 damage or 49 damage or 45 damage that really matter when factoring in cover-penetration, ballistic armour and the new killstreak of juggernaut.
Then you have the hugely variable recoil-profiles and hipfire patterns, movement speeds, ADS times. It all makes for a really good game. And more than that a DIFFERENT game! Yeah, the premise and pace is very similar but you DO have to think about the depth in such different ways.
It is SUCH an improvement over Black Ops that had such incredibly similar weapons. Raging Amish complained bitterly about how all the weapons he tested so many were clones of each other. But he has said that is definitely not the case here with MW3, every weapon seems to have a completely unique playstyle and strategy.
The perk structure is now so well defined. In MW2 for almost every single class there was very little reason to use anything other than "Slight-of-hand + Stopping-power + Steady-Aim". MW3 things have been changed around so much every weapon really does need a completely different perk setup.
I haven't played Mario Kart of 3DS but looking at the reviews for it and the Wii version, it does not indicate the many small but critical differences that have been made to improve the COD series. I can understand how from a distance it looks like both games franchises have done the same thing, but I think it may be the case that Mario Kart 7 has failed on the important details.
I consider myself a casual hardcore gamer, I love games, but don't dedicate my life to them. There's very little I wont at least try.MonkeyPunch said:
Not to defend what tyson did or anything, but Punch out came out before he raped that girl, and I dont think the people at Punch out could see into the future (otherwise they all would have played the lottery and said fuck off to punch out). A lot like how Michael Vick is on the cover of Madden 2004 while he was with the Falcons back before he got into to the dog fighting thing.
Besides, Kobe Bryant is on the cover of NBA 2K10, so what really would it matter if they started just slapping on Mike Tyson's name to Punch Out for the celebrity endorsement?
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Its gonna be funny when Jim has to make a video here defending himself for his mario kart/cod "controversy"
Besides, Kobe Bryant is on the cover of NBA 2K10, so what really would it matter if they started just slapping on Mike Tyson's name to Punch Out for the celebrity endorsement?
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Its gonna be funny when Jim has to make a video here defending himself for his mario kart/cod "controversy"
Chess is one of the most "hardcore" casual games you could ever play. All the rules fit in less than half a side of a single sheet of paper, yet, it could take you years to learn to play effectively.mad825 said:
I agree that distinction of hardcore gamer versus casual gamer has become distorted. Back in the day, the hardcore gamer was one who spent a great deal of time with games of many different varieties and absorbing copious amounts of gaming information. Not only that, the hardcore gamer back then was the type of person who typically shunned the exact kind of mainstream titles that today are considered hardcore and spent significant time and effort searching for the more obscure and underground titles that few people knew about or played. These titles were often the extreme end of the quirky Japanese games, and the hardcore would often import these games and modify their systems to defeat the region lock-outs that would, otherwise, prevent them from playing these titles. Back then, it was not unusual for the hardcore gamer to own 3 or more different systems and 100+ games for each system. Can any of this be said of the so-called hardcore gamers of today?
Today's hardcore gamer seems more defined as simply someone who owns at least the one most technologically superior system(in terms of features and graphics capability) and who owns sequel after sequel of the same 5-7 high-budget triple-A titles(and triple-A no longer has any relation to overall quality as it once did, just high-end graphics and lots of money spent on production). Back in the day, we would call such a person a mainstream gamer, because they only focus on the most highly marketed and visible games.
However, going past this silly holy war of "hardcore" versus "casual", at the end of the day, it's all just games. It doesn't matter to call it hardcore, casual, mainstream, quirky, or whatever. It's a game. There are people it will appeal to and people it won't. These classifications we impose are immaterial. We play games because we like playing games. Period. End of story. If playing a game is one of your main modes of deriving fun and entertainment, then you are a gamer, independent of what kind of game you may like.
And it doesn't matter what platform you play upon, console, handheld, mobile device, PC, or Mac. It's all just games. These holy wars are nothing more than conceited justifications for rationalizing one's own self-importance and compensation for insecurities and lacking self-esteem.
SMB and SMB 3 (and SMW) are definitely the games I had in mind. I don't deny their importance to history, they were some of the first games I played too, but video arcades were still a widespread thing and pinball machines were in places other than museums. At that time there was no Pokemon or Angry Birds or Plants vs. Zombies. Mario fit fine in that paradigm; games were always trying to fuck you over and we accepted it because there wasn't anything else.Zachary Amaranth said:
Super Mario is casual and accessible by the standards of Ninja Gaiden and Contra, not Super Mario Galaxy or Portal.
A bit of a waste of an episode to be honest. Everyone knows to ignore people who go on like this as they aren't hardcore gamers they are trolls and everyone should start using the actually definitions of hardcore and casual so this stuff can go away. A Hardcore gamer is someone who plays all games, has played games for a long time and goes out of their way to devote time to gaming. A Casual gamer is someone who does not take the hobby seriously and only dabbles in it rarely playing games or only 1 game. That is pretty much as close as an actual definitino you will get.
All I have to say to this Jim is:
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
Finally, someone who also sees how ridiculous "harcore gamers" are being.
As for me, I enjoy any kind of game that I find appealing. Shadow of the Colossus is my most favorite game of all time, and yet I also enjoy games like Angry Birds. Just because the latter is pretty simple compared to the former, does not make it any less of a game to me.
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
Finally, someone who also sees how ridiculous "harcore gamers" are being.
As for me, I enjoy any kind of game that I find appealing. Shadow of the Colossus is my most favorite game of all time, and yet I also enjoy games like Angry Birds. Just because the latter is pretty simple compared to the former, does not make it any less of a game to me.
Just to bring up, some people who want a "deeper" experience in some games (I have no idea what infinity blade is), do acknowledge gaming's roots, but realize it's grown and developed beyond them and have higher standards.
It's like when you were a kid; everyone was gushing over your ability to spell "cat", but when you grow and head in for that job interview, they expect more than you knowing the cow says "moo".
I'm not defending the people Jim is talking about (I can dig simplicity in newer games), but that people demanding more effort be put into games than the current "goldrush" to simpler platforms when the bigger budget games are left so shallow more often than not have a point.
It's like when you were a kid; everyone was gushing over your ability to spell "cat", but when you grow and head in for that job interview, they expect more than you knowing the cow says "moo".
I'm not defending the people Jim is talking about (I can dig simplicity in newer games), but that people demanding more effort be put into games than the current "goldrush" to simpler platforms when the bigger budget games are left so shallow more often than not have a point.