Tanakh said:
Therumancer said:
I am not particulary trilled by a gay shepard, my problem is that it feels like retconning. I also don't like the video, between EA's buisness practices and the whole Hepler's issue, gay shep feels like the less important of ME3 you can talk.
That said, if you are going to have a "romance" option on a videogame and it includes woman-man, woman-alien woman, man-woman; it's only natural to have man-man, it has nothing to do with left or right wings or with entitlement, with your players being gay or straight (I like pussy, not even going to say women, because at this point in life I am just looking for their body without any commitment due me sucking hard when i try to commit; but as an ex-tabletop RPG veteran i have played both girls and guys with every sexual orientation quite well, or at least thats what the other players tell me). It has nothing to do with being entitled, lesbians are even less common than gays and you didn't saw this for the fem shep on hot pice of blue ass action, it just makes it has more choices and be more free, maybe deeper for some RPG plots, to have a gay shep.
As for being liberal... that might be, but not because liberals are soo interested in what their male voters do with their asses, instead it has more to do with republicans being interested in such subjects; liberals don't run on "you have the right of inserting a dick up your ass", it's republicans that run on the "gays are evelspaws trying to destroy our lifestyle" forcing liberals to take a stand on that (and surprisingly the normaly pussy liberals grow the balls to take a stand there).
As for the 0.1% gays, shrug, as a teen always thought the 30% gay pop that gays say was way over the top, that it was 1% was more the right number. Then went to study math, and there, among my math friends 23% is gay so... no wonder math keeps it's population low! lolz.
Summarizing, I agree with you, but not with your reasons, actually think they are wrong
Edit: Also OMFG! As a non english speaker nor gay dude, the use of the sustantives in such ways!!!! Silky.... WTF... my ears -.-''
Didn't liked it, but good work Jim.
Jim was actually trying to use just about every porn-novel clique he could in there, it was kind of funny. Most of those metaphor could have been applied to any sexual situation involving a guy with either gender. People assume because I'm anti-gay men, that I'm ignorant, but truthfully due to my reasons for my outlook I'm more familiar with the whole set of cultures than most people in them are. As far as such things go Jim could probably play that speil as proof that he isn't gay since other than the insertsion of some gay innuendo and popular character names there was nothing to do. It's probably a contender for worst gay porno ever created (in jest or not).
That said, when it comes to the numbers, I've looked into this more than most people would be comfortable with. Both as a victim of child molestation (when I was six) myself and things I leaned during Code Adam training, etc... I've spent a lot of time looking into it and my position has waffled between a few axises over the years before settling on gays and lesbians being differant issues, and being solidly anti-gay men (which I won't go into at length here). Your correct that statistics can be made to lie, and I've made that arguement myself on certain kinds of propaganda from other sides, but when it comes to things like overall numbers you can figure out where they tend to fall pretty easily.
The current gay claims that like 20% to 30% of people are homosexual are bunk, even if they make for good liberal propaganda, and they go through a lot of work to make it seem like these numbers could be true. This is one of the reasons why you see so much effort to force the media to include gay characters in dramas and such. To put things into perspective if between 1 out of 5 to 1 out of 3 people on the planet were gay there never would have been issues with oppression that's just too many people to oppress and force into hiding through most of history. With a representitive population that loud there would not be issues with one person being too scared to help others, and simply the intertia of property ownership and business would have altered things. Even 1% would be pushing it because that's 1 out of every 100 people, which would still represent a minority too numberous to keep down this way. To put things into perspectives Jews have typically had tiny populations within the nations they have inhabited, and even being hated, they have wound up representing a substantial force within society that couldn't just be ignored, while forced into hiding at specific times, they always returned in force. The point is 1% is too many for things to have been "forced into the closet through fear". The Nazis made an active effort to hunt down homosexuals, and while they got bunches of them culumatively, the numbers just weren't that big compared to other minorities they were hunting down, despite some attempts nowadys to inflate it.
One out of a thousand or ten thousand is more accurate as a ballpark because that's enough to be forced totally underground by society, even when drawing together in small groups due to similar interests. It's also fairly representitive of the numbers collected during the more effective gay purges that have been attempted. The Nazis aren't the boogie men of humanity because they sucked at hunting their targets down for example.
Now of course, there are points that can be made in response about the amount of homosexuality recorded at specific times, such as during the twilight years of the Roman Empire. However homosexuality *IS* a medical condition tied to chemicals (as is sexual attraction in general) and the human biological system. We don't understand everything about sexuality, but we do know the basics, and why things like castration work (by removing organs that help receive and process chemical signals). Some people can be born reacting to transmissions of their own gender, or perhaps processing chemicals wrong in their brain due to other problems, and others might wind up there due to outside stimulus such as injury, enviroment, diet, etc... not everything is understood perfectly, but it's likely that something about the enviroment of some of these more decadent nations at the time whether it be food, some kind of disease that altered the biology, but didn't persist into modern times, or whatever could have lead to the increase in that condition to a higher point than other periods of history.
The point is there is an effort made to make it LOOK like gays are everywhere, but that's hardly the case. It's not hard to find gay people if you seek them out (given that it's no longer forced underground) but at the same time it's possible to go to pretty large gatherings of people and not have one present at all, simply by the numbers, not due to any active attempt to keep them out.
As far as Mass Effect goes, what you are talking about IS entitlement though. See if your saying that they have all of these othr sexual behaviors (hetero, alien, lesbian) they need to have gay men too, that's entitlement by definition... when you say they HAVE or NEED to be represented. What's more, by that logic your argueing that every sexual deviation NEEDS to be covered if any are going to be. In this case "deviation" is anything other than the norm, which is homosexuality of either flavor. See, to a gay man what he is, is normal, but the same can be said of someone into say scat, extreme bondage, or a furry or whatever. Saying that the gay man should be able to find appropriate content that stimulates him is like saying that there should be an option to have Kelly ride Shepard around his quarters with a riding crop for those submissives out there who can't get it off any other way, or scat play as an option added into the romantic dialogues, or getting Miranda to enter the bedroom in a Girrafe themed fursuit, or whatever.... it never ends, which is why a minority should never be considered entitled to anything, if the writers put something there so be it, if not then just let it go, leave it to them, not political demands.
To be entirely blunt while I appreciate the sexual/adult content in games, I also don't think a general adventure game like this needs to be turned into a sexual carnival, and when you follow this logic through that's what you get because it goes from being a sideline to a major area of development with more thought than it warrents. Everyone has their kinks, I don't think many people want to hear about the nasty little things I'd love to do to Kelly or Liara with a Shepard of either gender BUT I'm not going to go out there insisting that Bioware cater to my hang ups. Likewise if I was playing a game with a romantic subplot and there were no options for me, I'd just ignore it, say if there was only gay men present in a game, I wouldn't sit there and say "noes! we need you to redo the game just for me!" well unless it was grossing me out enough where I'd just not play the game.
That said from what I've seen (though I have yet to play it) all the liberals should probablty forget about Mass Effect and go protest "Bonecraft". I mean it won't happen because it won't get the same platform that Mass Effect gives (and this is all about attention the end, and trying to make gays seem like a bigger deal than they are), but really that represents the issues more than Mass Effect does. Bonecraft is based largely around heterosexual and lesbian action, and from what I've seen the gay men (very stereotypically flaming gay male elves) are the bad guys who you are encouraged to kill as one of the enemy factions. That should be an issue because Sex is the *point* of that game unlike Mass effect. Of course it won't happen, because as I mentioned it's too limited a platform to make a good show, and I'd imagine the guys doing the political QQing realize what idiots it would make them look like for the attempt.
