Jimquisition: Mass Effect 3: A Gay Erotic Love Story

[Rafe]

.... Thank Jim for Jim
That was truly beautiful. It is now my mission in life to get the phrase 'suckling on each other like piglets at feeding time' into my everyday conversation. Also, i'm not sure many of you will get this, but Jim really reminds me of Garth Marenghi in this video.

You're right he really does! I haven't seen that show in ages, cheers for reminding me about it. I'll have to watch it again later.

Amazing video Jim, I still can't stop laughing at "What a dainty dish to set before the king. What a dainty dish of gay."

I loved this on Destructoid and you reading it made it so much funnier. I can't wait to hear you talk about writing this on Podtoid. Thank God for Jim and all that.

 

[Xanthious]

Hey those are just options. They wouldn't affect your Shepard. You dont like em don't use em. As for being illega, well we illegal things in games all the time so I fail to see how that's relevant. What you and those like you are really saying though isn't let's be open minded and accommodate all sorts of different people but rather simply just to accommodate you and those like you while everyone else can piss off.

Well, if you fail to see the difference between consensual sex between two dudes and an adult having sex with a minor, i don't think we can do anything for you mate.

Who said anything about two dudes or an adult and a minor? I'm talking about video games. I'm talking about zeros and ones and coding and the like. Real world consequences and/or morals have rarely ever figured into what is right or wrong to portray in video games.

I mean if that were the case I wouldn't have bought a hooker in a game before. After paying the hooker and letter her out of my car running said hooker over multiple times only to get out, shoot her in the head and take my money back. I wouldn't have slaughtered entire villages of innocent men women and children with sword and fire just so I could go through their meager belongings for things I could sell.

These are all things I've done in a game that would have probably rightly earned me a lifetime of imprisonment or an execution in the real world. So you can see that what's right or wrong in the real world plays no matter in games.

That being said all I want is for my Shepard to have the same options as your Shepard does to have a romance with whoever or whatever he wants to. As has already been said in defense of having gay romances this wouldn't affect your Shepard so why should you care how I want to play mine?

It seems hypocritical that the same people that are out here championing the gay romances are so quick to denounce the romance options that others may want. Whatever happened to "it's only an option, you don't have to make use of it"?

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

*stands up, begins slow clap*
Bravo, sir. Bravo

Agreed. And let us all thank the gods for Jim Sterling. ^^

I never really understood what the deal was about Bioware and their over-the-top-commitment to straight relationships. Femshep boning Lizard-Men is alright, but Lesbians are unholy?

Actually, it isn't Bioware's fault. They tried to have homosexual options in ME1 (the code is still in there, half done) but the guy who did the motion capture for Male Shep (some sort of Underwear model, I believe?) threw a hissy fit about anything "gay" being associated with him and threatened to not let them use his face for Shepard if they made it possible for Male Shep to be gay.

Unable to have gay Male Shep, Bioware removed Ashley from Femshep's options to make things fair.

They tried again in ME2 (again, the options are in the code, but unfinished) but hit the same wall from Mr. Underpants model.

However, since ME3 is the last game with Shepard in it, they no longer have to give a fuck about pissing Mr. Underpants off. Hence the gay options in ME3.

If I had my way my femshep would be whoring herself out to just about everyone on the normandy. She's already banged Liara and Garrus. lol

My Femshep is actually pretty specific about only dating one girl at a time (she's gay - Liara, Kelly, and (hopefully) Tali... or maybe Liara again, I can't decide).

However, my Male Shep is a total slut. Too bad you're only allowed to sleep with one crew member per game (unlike, say, Dragon Age) because, if he could, my Male Shep would work his way through every female crew member and half of the men too.

I played my Male Shep as my male DA:O character and managed to sleep with all four romancable party members before the end. I ended with Morrigan because he and she fit so well together. Also, it was hilarious when Leliana suspected I was cheating on her. I kept her happy on total bullshit while continuing to sleep with Morrigan. My Male Shep/Hero of Fereldin is a total Renegade bastard. ^^ I love him.

yeah its completely a "hissy fit" if you are uncomfortable doing something that isn't part of your sexuality. /sarcasm

Except he's not doing something. A virtual man that looks like him is doing that something.

He still has a right to decide how he is depicted, people don't have to agree with his choice, but they should respect it.

It's not him, though. It's Shepard.

It's still his image, and he should have final say over that. Actually if Bioware really want this option in the first game, why not just get a model that was ok with it?

Then identical twins should control what the other appears in.
You really don't think it's a bit petty to be upset that a virtual man who merely LOOKS like you happens to possibly have a taste for cock?

No I don't think its wrong for a person to have human feelings about how their digital image is being depicted.

Its just like if (hypothetically) the model Jacqui Ainsley didn't like being portrait as a women willing to use her body, I wouldn't try to minimize her feelings.

That's totally different. That's portraying a person as something they're not. But you see, there's this thing called 'acting'. And, since this is a digital representation of a person NOT INTENDED TO BE THE ACTOR, then I can't see any problem with how it's used. Especially since he's not a very distinctive person. If he was instantly recognisable from the image, and it was used as a slight against him, I'd understand it. But to get upset because you're a motion capture for a possibly gay character?
It's not him. It just looks like him. It has no relation to him. It's Captain Shepard. It'd be like saying Gerard Butler is without a doubt a murderer because you saw him in Law Abiding Citizen once. Only...this is actually more far-fetched.

As I said before, the man's feeling should be respected, even if you don't agree with them. You obviously think he is over reacting, fine, that's your opinion. But it's not asking to much to respect the mans feelings.

I just think he should chill out, is all I'm saying.

I realize that is how you feel, but I think the man has a right to have feelings on this matter just like Ms Ainsley would have a right to have feelings about how she was portrait.

Portrayed, surely?

And it's still objectively wrong to destroy a whole series of narrative potential because you didn't want people to think you might fancy a bit of bum.

damn spell check!

...your opinion is that he should chill out, but your using the word "objectively".....what?

No, no, destruction of narrative potential is objectively wrong. That's not an opinion, that's fact, that.

Being forced to do something that you find uncomfortable is also wrong.

.

BUT...YOU....WONT....BE....

at all

I'm not referring to the option to be gay in the game, I'm referring to the model not being comfortable having his image being displayed in a gay way, or gay activities.

 

[CardinalPiggles]

That was funny as hell! About 5 minutes of pure laughter, thank you Jim, for Jim.

Also, a good point made I thought.

 

[Vault101]

*stands up, begins slow clap*
Bravo, sir. Bravo

Agreed. And let us all thank the gods for Jim Sterling. ^^

I never really understood what the deal was about Bioware and their over-the-top-commitment to straight relationships. Femshep boning Lizard-Men is alright, but Lesbians are unholy?

Actually, it isn't Bioware's fault. They tried to have homosexual options in ME1 (the code is still in there, half done) but the guy who did the motion capture for Male Shep (some sort of Underwear model, I believe?) threw a hissy fit about anything "gay" being associated with him and threatened to not let them use his face for Shepard if they made it possible for Male Shep to be gay.

Unable to have gay Male Shep, Bioware removed Ashley from Femshep's options to make things fair.

They tried again in ME2 (again, the options are in the code, but unfinished) but hit the same wall from Mr. Underpants model.

However, since ME3 is the last game with Shepard in it, they no longer have to give a fuck about pissing Mr. Underpants off. Hence the gay options in ME3.

If I had my way my femshep would be whoring herself out to just about everyone on the normandy. She's already banged Liara and Garrus. lol

My Femshep is actually pretty specific about only dating one girl at a time (she's gay - Liara, Kelly, and (hopefully) Tali... or maybe Liara again, I can't decide).

However, my Male Shep is a total slut. Too bad you're only allowed to sleep with one crew member per game (unlike, say, Dragon Age) because, if he could, my Male Shep would work his way through every female crew member and half of the men too.

I played my Male Shep as my male DA:O character and managed to sleep with all four romancable party members before the end. I ended with Morrigan because he and she fit so well together. Also, it was hilarious when Leliana suspected I was cheating on her. I kept her happy on total bullshit while continuing to sleep with Morrigan. My Male Shep/Hero of Fereldin is a total Renegade bastard. ^^ I love him.

yeah its completely a "hissy fit" if you are uncomfortable doing something that isn't part of your sexuality. /sarcasm

Except he's not doing something. A virtual man that looks like him is doing that something.

He still has a right to decide how he is depicted, people don't have to agree with his choice, but they should respect it.

It's not him, though. It's Shepard.

It's still his image, and he should have final say over that. Actually if Bioware really want this option in the first game, why not just get a model that was ok with it?

Then identical twins should control what the other appears in.
You really don't think it's a bit petty to be upset that a virtual man who merely LOOKS like you happens to possibly have a taste for cock?

No I don't think its wrong for a person to have human feelings about how their digital image is being depicted.

Its just like if (hypothetically) the model Jacqui Ainsley didn't like being portrait as a women willing to use her body, I wouldn't try to minimize her feelings.

That's totally different. That's portraying a person as something they're not. But you see, there's this thing called 'acting'. And, since this is a digital representation of a person NOT INTENDED TO BE THE ACTOR, then I can't see any problem with how it's used. Especially since he's not a very distinctive person. If he was instantly recognisable from the image, and it was used as a slight against him, I'd understand it. But to get upset because you're a motion capture for a possibly gay character?
It's not him. It just looks like him. It has no relation to him. It's Captain Shepard. It'd be like saying Gerard Butler is without a doubt a murderer because you saw him in Law Abiding Citizen once. Only...this is actually more far-fetched.

As I said before, the man's feeling should be respected, even if you don't agree with them. You obviously think he is over reacting, fine, that's your opinion. But it's not asking to much to respect the mans feelings.

I just think he should chill out, is all I'm saying.

I realize that is how you feel, but I think the man has a right to have feelings on this matter just like Ms Ainsley would have a right to have feelings about how she was portrait.

Portrayed, surely?

And it's still objectively wrong to destroy a whole series of narrative potential because you didn't want people to think you might fancy a bit of bum.

damn spell check!

...your opinion is that he should chill out, but your using the word "objectively".....what?

No, no, destruction of narrative potential is objectively wrong. That's not an opinion, that's fact, that.

Being forced to do something that you find uncomfortable is also wrong.

.

BUT...YOU....WONT....BE....

at all

I'm not referring to the option to be gay in the game, I'm referring to the model not being comfortable having his image being displayed in a gay way, or gay activities.

you mean the mo-cap model?

well they could jsut get somone who is...its not like mo-capping is all the racognisable

 

[ungothicdove]

Good video, excellent point. Satirical Slash may be the next big thing...

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

*stands up, begins slow clap*
Bravo, sir. Bravo

Agreed. And let us all thank the gods for Jim Sterling. ^^

I never really understood what the deal was about Bioware and their over-the-top-commitment to straight relationships. Femshep boning Lizard-Men is alright, but Lesbians are unholy?

Actually, it isn't Bioware's fault. They tried to have homosexual options in ME1 (the code is still in there, half done) but the guy who did the motion capture for Male Shep (some sort of Underwear model, I believe?) threw a hissy fit about anything "gay" being associated with him and threatened to not let them use his face for Shepard if they made it possible for Male Shep to be gay.

Unable to have gay Male Shep, Bioware removed Ashley from Femshep's options to make things fair.

They tried again in ME2 (again, the options are in the code, but unfinished) but hit the same wall from Mr. Underpants model.

However, since ME3 is the last game with Shepard in it, they no longer have to give a fuck about pissing Mr. Underpants off. Hence the gay options in ME3.

If I had my way my femshep would be whoring herself out to just about everyone on the normandy. She's already banged Liara and Garrus. lol

My Femshep is actually pretty specific about only dating one girl at a time (she's gay - Liara, Kelly, and (hopefully) Tali... or maybe Liara again, I can't decide).

However, my Male Shep is a total slut. Too bad you're only allowed to sleep with one crew member per game (unlike, say, Dragon Age) because, if he could, my Male Shep would work his way through every female crew member and half of the men too.

I played my Male Shep as my male DA:O character and managed to sleep with all four romancable party members before the end. I ended with Morrigan because he and she fit so well together. Also, it was hilarious when Leliana suspected I was cheating on her. I kept her happy on total bullshit while continuing to sleep with Morrigan. My Male Shep/Hero of Fereldin is a total Renegade bastard. ^^ I love him.

yeah its completely a "hissy fit" if you are uncomfortable doing something that isn't part of your sexuality. /sarcasm

Except he's not doing something. A virtual man that looks like him is doing that something.

He still has a right to decide how he is depicted, people don't have to agree with his choice, but they should respect it.

It's not him, though. It's Shepard.

It's still his image, and he should have final say over that. Actually if Bioware really want this option in the first game, why not just get a model that was ok with it?

Then identical twins should control what the other appears in.
You really don't think it's a bit petty to be upset that a virtual man who merely LOOKS like you happens to possibly have a taste for cock?

No I don't think its wrong for a person to have human feelings about how their digital image is being depicted.

Its just like if (hypothetically) the model Jacqui Ainsley didn't like being portrait as a women willing to use her body, I wouldn't try to minimize her feelings.

That's totally different. That's portraying a person as something they're not. But you see, there's this thing called 'acting'. And, since this is a digital representation of a person NOT INTENDED TO BE THE ACTOR, then I can't see any problem with how it's used. Especially since he's not a very distinctive person. If he was instantly recognisable from the image, and it was used as a slight against him, I'd understand it. But to get upset because you're a motion capture for a possibly gay character?
It's not him. It just looks like him. It has no relation to him. It's Captain Shepard. It'd be like saying Gerard Butler is without a doubt a murderer because you saw him in Law Abiding Citizen once. Only...this is actually more far-fetched.

As I said before, the man's feeling should be respected, even if you don't agree with them. You obviously think he is over reacting, fine, that's your opinion. But it's not asking to much to respect the mans feelings.

I just think he should chill out, is all I'm saying.

I realize that is how you feel, but I think the man has a right to have feelings on this matter just like Ms Ainsley would have a right to have feelings about how she was portrait.

Portrayed, surely?

And it's still objectively wrong to destroy a whole series of narrative potential because you didn't want people to think you might fancy a bit of bum.

damn spell check!

...your opinion is that he should chill out, but your using the word "objectively".....what?

No, no, destruction of narrative potential is objectively wrong. That's not an opinion, that's fact, that.

Being forced to do something that you find uncomfortable is also wrong.

.

BUT...YOU....WONT....BE....

at all

I'm not referring to the option to be gay in the game, I'm referring to the model not being comfortable having his image being displayed in a gay way, or gay activities.

you mean the mo-cap model?

well they could jsut get somone who is...its not like mo-capping is all the racognisable

yeah, sorry I wasn't more clear, I was referring to the model not liking it, not me not liking the option.

But its his face, why should he not be aloud to decide what they do with his face?

 

[Tanakh]

-snip-

For it being bad gay porn... wouldn't know, my experience there is limited to damn internet trapz! God, i hate those.

For the demographics, being a lot doesn't mean a freaking thing. Polish jews were 10% of the pop pre WWII and they were STABBITYSTABBBQed (no disrispect meant to jews) and being gay seems easier to hide than being jew, hispanic people are the second minority at USA with 16% (after only whites) and they earn less, end up on the jail more, police can detain you for looking like one in some states and the candidates say stuff like spanish is the language of the ghetto. After a quick google i think male gays are around 2%-3% right now on USA, maybe even 4% and it is easily proven that they are at least 1% in the UK (but then again english dudes... well, you know), much lower than 30% and much higher than 0.1%; why the fuck it is 23% in my math faculty is certanly an interesting question that honeslty i am too lazy to explore, and that i like actually (anything that increases the availabe females can't be that bad right?).

And yeah, gay is not the common sexual orientation and it is due chems in your noggle (like anything else), medical condition? Nop, not a disiease or a disorder, same as being native american or NBA worthy tall, it's not common but not a condition. For gay and lesbians being different... well, i don't know, only have one lesbian friend, and i am deeply ignorant about the lesbian world (outside porn, naturally, but i don't the footage i have seen is realistic). It would seem rape as a child is more common as a detonator to being gay than to being lesbian, but honestly i couldn't say it for sure.

For the etitlement part, i disagree. Just for this example lets say that 2% of the men are gay and that 20% of the men have a foot fetish and also are straight (discovery says it's the most common, among that list i would go with leather... but also not that big on that), so, just by those numbers we should indeed have some good foot on penis action (or however that works), the thing is that the cutscene is not that long and not the focus, and it depicts you and whatever hot alien chick you choose starting the intercourse, you can imagine whatever after that, so it "covers" feet if you want; if you are gay there was no choice, you either played a fem shep and imagine it being a tranny or just skip the meals alltogether. Gay-Straight-Lesb seems just a efficient way to cover all "basic" bases and leave the spicing up to the player, maybe there are not enough gay and lesb to warrant that, but seems like basic civility, just like maybe black players are not enough to warrant a black shep but I am glad there is one.

As for the Giraffe part... i think you are a genious! Send this to Bioware, i will pay for that DLC.

 

[Saulkar]

*stands up, begins slow clap*
Bravo, sir. Bravo

Agreed. And let us all thank the gods for Jim Sterling. ^^

I never really understood what the deal was about Bioware and their over-the-top-commitment to straight relationships. Femshep boning Lizard-Men is alright, but Lesbians are unholy?

Actually, it isn't Bioware's fault. They tried to have homosexual options in ME1 (the code is still in there, half done) but the guy who did the motion capture for Male Shep (some sort of Underwear model, I believe?) threw a hissy fit about anything "gay" being associated with him and threatened to not let them use his face for Shepard if they made it possible for Male Shep to be gay.

Unable to have gay Male Shep, Bioware removed Ashley from Femshep's options to make things fair.

They tried again in ME2 (again, the options are in the code, but unfinished) but hit the same wall from Mr. Underpants model.

However, since ME3 is the last game with Shepard in it, they no longer have to give a fuck about pissing Mr. Underpants off. Hence the gay options in ME3.

If I had my way my femshep would be whoring herself out to just about everyone on the normandy. She's already banged Liara and Garrus. lol

My Femshep is actually pretty specific about only dating one girl at a time (she's gay - Liara, Kelly, and (hopefully) Tali... or maybe Liara again, I can't decide).

However, my Male Shep is a total slut. Too bad you're only allowed to sleep with one crew member per game (unlike, say, Dragon Age) because, if he could, my Male Shep would work his way through every female crew member and half of the men too.

I played my Male Shep as my male DA:O character and managed to sleep with all four romancable party members before the end. I ended with Morrigan because he and she fit so well together. Also, it was hilarious when Leliana suspected I was cheating on her. I kept her happy on total bullshit while continuing to sleep with Morrigan. My Male Shep/Hero of Fereldin is a total Renegade bastard. ^^ I love him.

yeah its completely a "hissy fit" if you are uncomfortable doing something that isn't part of your sexuality. /sarcasm

Except he's not doing something. A virtual man that looks like him is doing that something.

He still has a right to decide how he is depicted, people don't have to agree with his choice, but they should respect it.

It's not him, though. It's Shepard.

It's still his image, and he should have final say over that. Actually if Bioware really want this option in the first game, why not just get a model that was ok with it?

Then identical twins should control what the other appears in.
You really don't think it's a bit petty to be upset that a virtual man who merely LOOKS like you happens to possibly have a taste for cock?

No I don't think its wrong for a person to have human feelings about how their digital image is being depicted.

Its just like if (hypothetically) the model Jacqui Ainsley didn't like being portrait as a women willing to use her body, I wouldn't try to minimize her feelings.

That's totally different. That's portraying a person as something they're not. But you see, there's this thing called 'acting'. And, since this is a digital representation of a person NOT INTENDED TO BE THE ACTOR, then I can't see any problem with how it's used. Especially since he's not a very distinctive person. If he was instantly recognisable from the image, and it was used as a slight against him, I'd understand it. But to get upset because you're a motion capture for a possibly gay character?
It's not him. It just looks like him. It has no relation to him. It's Captain Shepard. It'd be like saying Gerard Butler is without a doubt a murderer because you saw him in Law Abiding Citizen once. Only...this is actually more far-fetched.

As I said before, the man's feeling should be respected, even if you don't agree with them. You obviously think he is over reacting, fine, that's your opinion. But it's not asking to much to respect the mans feelings.

I just think he should chill out, is all I'm saying.

I realize that is how you feel, but I think the man has a right to have feelings on this matter just like Ms Ainsley would have a right to have feelings about how she was portrait.

Portrayed, surely?

And it's still objectively wrong to destroy a whole series of narrative potential because you didn't want people to think you might fancy a bit of bum.

damn spell check!

...your opinion is that he should chill out, but your using the word "objectively".....what?

No, no, destruction of narrative potential is objectively wrong. That's not an opinion, that's fact, that.

Being forced to do something that you find uncomfortable is also wrong.

.

BUT...YOU....WONT....BE....

at all

I'm not referring to the option to be gay in the game, I'm referring to the model not being comfortable having his image being displayed in a gay way, or gay activities.

you mean the mo-cap model?

well they could jsut get somone who is...its not like mo-capping is all the racognisable

yeah, sorry I wasn't more clear, I was referring to the model not liking it, not me not liking the option.

But its his face, why should he not be aloud to decide what they do with his face?

Aloud? You mean allowed. Gr-r-rammah Nazi strikes again!

OT: I agree, if he signed a full release contract I would feel sorry for him but that is his own fault, but if they outlined specifically what they would do with his visage and having homoerotic depictions of a character with said visage was not outlined in said contract then I would support the guys choice to oppose it.

 

[Deathmageddon]

8 minutes of shock laughs and trying to keep my gag reflex under control for a point that goes without saying? Thanks, Jim...

 

[Vault101]

*stands up, begins slow clap*
Bravo, sir. Bravo

Agreed. And let us all thank the gods for Jim Sterling. ^^

I never really understood what the deal was about Bioware and their over-the-top-commitment to straight relationships. Femshep boning Lizard-Men is alright, but Lesbians are unholy?

Actually, it isn't Bioware's fault. They tried to have homosexual options in ME1 (the code is still in there, half done) but the guy who did the motion capture for Male Shep (some sort of Underwear model, I believe?) threw a hissy fit about anything "gay" being associated with him and threatened to not let them use his face for Shepard if they made it possible for Male Shep to be gay.

Unable to have gay Male Shep, Bioware removed Ashley from Femshep's options to make things fair.

They tried again in ME2 (again, the options are in the code, but unfinished) but hit the same wall from Mr. Underpants model.

However, since ME3 is the last game with Shepard in it, they no longer have to give a fuck about pissing Mr. Underpants off. Hence the gay options in ME3.

If I had my way my femshep would be whoring herself out to just about everyone on the normandy. She's already banged Liara and Garrus. lol

My Femshep is actually pretty specific about only dating one girl at a time (she's gay - Liara, Kelly, and (hopefully) Tali... or maybe Liara again, I can't decide).

However, my Male Shep is a total slut. Too bad you're only allowed to sleep with one crew member per game (unlike, say, Dragon Age) because, if he could, my Male Shep would work his way through every female crew member and half of the men too.

I played my Male Shep as my male DA:O character and managed to sleep with all four romancable party members before the end. I ended with Morrigan because he and she fit so well together. Also, it was hilarious when Leliana suspected I was cheating on her. I kept her happy on total bullshit while continuing to sleep with Morrigan. My Male Shep/Hero of Fereldin is a total Renegade bastard. ^^ I love him.

yeah its completely a "hissy fit" if you are uncomfortable doing something that isn't part of your sexuality. /sarcasm

Except he's not doing something. A virtual man that looks like him is doing that something.

He still has a right to decide how he is depicted, people don't have to agree with his choice, but they should respect it.

It's not him, though. It's Shepard.

It's still his image, and he should have final say over that. Actually if Bioware really want this option in the first game, why not just get a model that was ok with it?

Then identical twins should control what the other appears in.
You really don't think it's a bit petty to be upset that a virtual man who merely LOOKS like you happens to possibly have a taste for cock?

No I don't think its wrong for a person to have human feelings about how their digital image is being depicted.

Its just like if (hypothetically) the model Jacqui Ainsley didn't like being portrait as a women willing to use her body, I wouldn't try to minimize her feelings.

That's totally different. That's portraying a person as something they're not. But you see, there's this thing called 'acting'. And, since this is a digital representation of a person NOT INTENDED TO BE THE ACTOR, then I can't see any problem with how it's used. Especially since he's not a very distinctive person. If he was instantly recognisable from the image, and it was used as a slight against him, I'd understand it. But to get upset because you're a motion capture for a possibly gay character?
It's not him. It just looks like him. It has no relation to him. It's Captain Shepard. It'd be like saying Gerard Butler is without a doubt a murderer because you saw him in Law Abiding Citizen once. Only...this is actually more far-fetched.

As I said before, the man's feeling should be respected, even if you don't agree with them. You obviously think he is over reacting, fine, that's your opinion. But it's not asking to much to respect the mans feelings.

I just think he should chill out, is all I'm saying.

I realize that is how you feel, but I think the man has a right to have feelings on this matter just like Ms Ainsley would have a right to have feelings about how she was portrait.

Portrayed, surely?

And it's still objectively wrong to destroy a whole series of narrative potential because you didn't want people to think you might fancy a bit of bum.

damn spell check!

...your opinion is that he should chill out, but your using the word "objectively".....what?

No, no, destruction of narrative potential is objectively wrong. That's not an opinion, that's fact, that.

Being forced to do something that you find uncomfortable is also wrong.

.

BUT...YOU....WONT....BE....

at all

I'm not referring to the option to be gay in the game, I'm referring to the model not being comfortable having his image being displayed in a gay way, or gay activities.

you mean the mo-cap model?

well they could jsut get somone who is...its not like mo-capping is all the racognisable

yeah, sorry I wasn't more clear, I was referring to the model not liking it, not me not liking the option.

But its his face, why should he not be aloud to decide what they do with his face?

theres only a "chance" that it will be his face (did we all fo a sudden forget that shpard has options?)

hell...its not the same as actually "acting" in real life as a gay person..it just seems like a non-issue, why would he care?

 

[empirialtank]

We should ban this video less the hot gay action corrupt the youth visiting the sight! Won't someone please think of the children!

LOL!


Seriously though, this is why you play games with a female avatar, so if the game turns gay its hot lesbian action which will only serve to reinforce your sexuality.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

*stands up, begins slow clap*
Bravo, sir. Bravo

Agreed. And let us all thank the gods for Jim Sterling. ^^

I never really understood what the deal was about Bioware and their over-the-top-commitment to straight relationships. Femshep boning Lizard-Men is alright, but Lesbians are unholy?

Actually, it isn't Bioware's fault. They tried to have homosexual options in ME1 (the code is still in there, half done) but the guy who did the motion capture for Male Shep (some sort of Underwear model, I believe?) threw a hissy fit about anything "gay" being associated with him and threatened to not let them use his face for Shepard if they made it possible for Male Shep to be gay.

Unable to have gay Male Shep, Bioware removed Ashley from Femshep's options to make things fair.

They tried again in ME2 (again, the options are in the code, but unfinished) but hit the same wall from Mr. Underpants model.

However, since ME3 is the last game with Shepard in it, they no longer have to give a fuck about pissing Mr. Underpants off. Hence the gay options in ME3.

If I had my way my femshep would be whoring herself out to just about everyone on the normandy. She's already banged Liara and Garrus. lol

My Femshep is actually pretty specific about only dating one girl at a time (she's gay - Liara, Kelly, and (hopefully) Tali... or maybe Liara again, I can't decide).

However, my Male Shep is a total slut. Too bad you're only allowed to sleep with one crew member per game (unlike, say, Dragon Age) because, if he could, my Male Shep would work his way through every female crew member and half of the men too.

I played my Male Shep as my male DA:O character and managed to sleep with all four romancable party members before the end. I ended with Morrigan because he and she fit so well together. Also, it was hilarious when Leliana suspected I was cheating on her. I kept her happy on total bullshit while continuing to sleep with Morrigan. My Male Shep/Hero of Fereldin is a total Renegade bastard. ^^ I love him.

yeah its completely a "hissy fit" if you are uncomfortable doing something that isn't part of your sexuality. /sarcasm

Except he's not doing something. A virtual man that looks like him is doing that something.

He still has a right to decide how he is depicted, people don't have to agree with his choice, but they should respect it.

It's not him, though. It's Shepard.

It's still his image, and he should have final say over that. Actually if Bioware really want this option in the first game, why not just get a model that was ok with it?

Then identical twins should control what the other appears in.
You really don't think it's a bit petty to be upset that a virtual man who merely LOOKS like you happens to possibly have a taste for cock?

No I don't think its wrong for a person to have human feelings about how their digital image is being depicted.

Its just like if (hypothetically) the model Jacqui Ainsley didn't like being portrait as a women willing to use her body, I wouldn't try to minimize her feelings.

That's totally different. That's portraying a person as something they're not. But you see, there's this thing called 'acting'. And, since this is a digital representation of a person NOT INTENDED TO BE THE ACTOR, then I can't see any problem with how it's used. Especially since he's not a very distinctive person. If he was instantly recognisable from the image, and it was used as a slight against him, I'd understand it. But to get upset because you're a motion capture for a possibly gay character?
It's not him. It just looks like him. It has no relation to him. It's Captain Shepard. It'd be like saying Gerard Butler is without a doubt a murderer because you saw him in Law Abiding Citizen once. Only...this is actually more far-fetched.

As I said before, the man's feeling should be respected, even if you don't agree with them. You obviously think he is over reacting, fine, that's your opinion. But it's not asking to much to respect the mans feelings.

I just think he should chill out, is all I'm saying.

I realize that is how you feel, but I think the man has a right to have feelings on this matter just like Ms Ainsley would have a right to have feelings about how she was portrait.

Portrayed, surely?

And it's still objectively wrong to destroy a whole series of narrative potential because you didn't want people to think you might fancy a bit of bum.

damn spell check!

...your opinion is that he should chill out, but your using the word "objectively".....what?

No, no, destruction of narrative potential is objectively wrong. That's not an opinion, that's fact, that.

Being forced to do something that you find uncomfortable is also wrong.

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BUT...YOU....WONT....BE....

at all

I'm not referring to the option to be gay in the game, I'm referring to the model not being comfortable having his image being displayed in a gay way, or gay activities.

you mean the mo-cap model?

well they could jsut get somone who is...its not like mo-capping is all the racognisable

yeah, sorry I wasn't more clear, I was referring to the model not liking it, not me not liking the option.

But its his face, why should he not be aloud to decide what they do with his face?

theres only a "chance" that it will be his face (did we all fo a sudden forget that shpard has options?)

hell...its not the same as actually "acting" in real life as a gay person..it just seems like a non-issue, why would he care?

Idk go ask him yourself, lol.

 

[renegade7]

That awkward moment when your parents catch you listening to a gay fanfic...

 

[theheroofaction]

Now, considering that somehow,Jim has made a description of a wank more gross than the actual act itself, I think I can say that this has changed me from not understanding homoeroticism to actively thinking it's nauseating.

Essentially, I'm less gay after listening to this homoerotica.

Take that how you will.

 

[Something Amyss]

Would the Day 1 dlc have been in the main game if Bioware didn't feel they had to put a gay romance in?

No, because the intent to have a collector's edition bonus was there from before the game was completed. I can't believe people are even suggesting that.

 

[Tanakh]

-snip-

Well, you compared your toon in a game being gay with him being a pedophile, didn't you? let me see... ohh, way to edit your post. Gratz.

 

[Arkynomicon]

I made it trough 2 Dragon Age games without catching the Gay (although, that Alistair was rather charming...) so I think I can handle ME3.

Actually, surprised by how many prudes there are in current generation of gamers.

 

[Denamic]

Well...
That was certainly interesting.
Can you do Femshep/Tali now?