Jimquisition: Videogames Are A Luxury

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vxicepickxv

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I think we need a new term instead of luxury item. A luxury item is desirable.

We should start calling them excess items. I wouldn't call X-Men Destiny desirable.
 

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Greed will fuk this industry up. Just like in the 1980's or the discrete video card business nowadays.
 

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DiMono said:
I wonder if there's a non-corrupt way to have critics set game prices. i.e. the better a game is rated, the more it's allowed to cost.
We do it's called wait a few months.
 

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nodlimax said:
It's not just, that videogames are to expensive, they have been getting worse and worse over the last few years. So much stuff got dumbed down so that the game can reach a bigger audience that as a player who appreciates a good challenge I can't enjoy most of the games anymore.
That might be subjective to player views, and over-generalizing the game industry as a whole. You could argue that a sequel to one game (Dragon Age II) is a dumbed-down version of the prequel (Dragon Age: Origins), but one player might prefer the "console" style version of that game-world over the PC RPG version of the predecessor. I know I felt like this when I looked at "Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion" after "Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind" as I saw IV a dumbed down sequel to III. But does this make IV bad? No, I really enjoy playing the copy I have on Steam, along with the more simple "Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim."

As for the generalization, there are still new games being made that aren't sequels. Last year we got "Bastion," "Dark Souls," and "Hard Reset." Two of them action-RPGs with different difficulty levels and game-worlds, while the other is an FPS that allows us to shoot giant, bulky robots to tiny bits (now only if they made 'Michael Bay' as a final boss to that game).

@Jim Sterling: Sounds more like a repeat of the past few episodes and a bit defensive, but overall an episode with a good message. I think developers and publishers could encourage more sales for their products if they reduced the price or provided options to get the game at a cheaper price. Actually, I always wondered why don't publishers open their own store that allows them to accept and sell used versions of their game?
 

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PunkRex said:
Im quite poor. I live with my mum at the mo and earn, roughly, £200-250 every two weeks. I give half to my mum which leaves me with about £100 for myself every fortnight. Its enough to get by and ive always hated London transport so prefer to walk everywhere but after buying food for myself every day and the handful of times a week I need to take the tube I only have about £50 left. If I wanna go out with my brother to the cinema or if I have a relatives birthday then basically I don't get any spending money. I don't mind, im not greedy, all in all I think over the past year ive bought 2 AAA games for myself and play 1 or 2 of my brothers. The point im trying to make is that I have to be careful with what I buy, I would never pirate a game so I tend to check out CEX before any of my purchases. If publishers want me to buy their stuff then they sould stoping crying and start acting like a REAL f*cking buisness! I personally don't mind a slightly lower resolution if it means I can actually afford the bloody thing.

Ive got several 1st world problems being a publishers ***** aint one!
The horrible irony is that the people who pirate games, more often than not, can afford paying for them.

I feel like eating shrimps suddenly...
 

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freaper said:
PunkRex said:
Im quite poor. I live with my mum at the mo and earn, roughly, £200-250 every two weeks. I give half to my mum which leaves me with about £100 for myself every fortnight. Its enough to get by and ive always hated London transport so prefer to walk everywhere but after buying food for myself every day and the handful of times a week I need to take the tube I only have about £50 left. If I wanna go out with my brother to the cinema or if I have a relatives birthday then basically I don't get any spending money. I don't mind, im not greedy, all in all I think over the past year ive bought 2 AAA games for myself and play 1 or 2 of my brothers. The point im trying to make is that I have to be careful with what I buy, I would never pirate a game so I tend to check out CEX before any of my purchases. If publishers want me to buy their stuff then they sould stoping crying and start acting like a REAL f*cking buisness! I personally don't mind a slightly lower resolution if it means I can actually afford the bloody thing.

Ive got several 1st world problems being a publishers ***** aint one!
The horrible irony is that the people who pirate games, more often than not, can afford paying for them.

I feel like eating shrimps suddenly...
With yellow (imitation) bannanas?
 

Owyn_Merrilin

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Great video. Only question: do I get a writing credit? :p

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.374224-Games-are-a-luxury-item-So

I kid, but that is two weeks in a row where the topic has come straight from the forums. A special thanks line in the credits might be a good idea for videos like that.
 

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
Great video. Only question: do I get a writing credit?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.374224-Games-are-a-luxury-item-So

I kid, but that is two weeks in a row where the topic has come straight from the forums. A special thanks line in the credits might be a good idea for videos like that.
Don't get your hopes up. In the years that I've been here, I've posted several topics hours, even days before they posted them as news and yet I've never once received credit. I even brought it up a time or two and said they have no obligation to do so etc.
 

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freaper said:
PunkRex said:
Im quite poor. I live with my mum at the mo and earn, roughly, £200-250 every two weeks. I give half to my mum which leaves me with about £100 for myself every fortnight. Its enough to get by and ive always hated London transport so prefer to walk everywhere but after buying food for myself every day and the handful of times a week I need to take the tube I only have about £50 left. If I wanna go out with my brother to the cinema or if I have a relatives birthday then basically I don't get any spending money. I don't mind, im not greedy, all in all I think over the past year ive bought 2 AAA games for myself and play 1 or 2 of my brothers. The point im trying to make is that I have to be careful with what I buy, I would never pirate a game so I tend to check out CEX before any of my purchases. If publishers want me to buy their stuff then they sould stoping crying and start acting like a REAL f*cking buisness! I personally don't mind a slightly lower resolution if it means I can actually afford the bloody thing.

Ive got several 1st world problems being a publishers ***** aint one!
The horrible irony is that the people who pirate games, more often than not, can afford paying for them.

I feel like eating shrimps suddenly...
There was a study that pirates spend more on music than non pirates. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/illegal-downloaders-spend-the-most-on-music-says-poll-1812776.html

I wonder if it's true for games too.
 

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That's all fair, but that isn't [what I think] is the key point of "games are a luxury."

Games are a luxury is a reply to people who try to make game pricing et. al. into a moral issue. Evil, selfish, greedy and the like are null terms in this case. No one is dying from the lack of games, no one is forced into a life of crime to acquire games and games aren't being made for pennies by 3rd-world children.
 

Owyn_Merrilin

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Eri said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
Great video. Only question: do I get a writing credit?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.374224-Games-are-a-luxury-item-So

I kid, but that is two weeks in a row where the topic has come straight from the forums. A special thanks line in the credits might be a good idea for videos like that.
Don't get your hopes up. In the years that I've been here, I've posted several topics hours, even days before they posted them as news and yet I've never once received credit. I even brought it up a time or two and said they have no obligation to do so etc.
News items are different from an editorial column, though. The Escapist gets most of their news sources from the same places any user who finds it first would be likely to. An opinion piece is more original writing. I'm not really complaining anyway, I just find it funny.
 

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I just don't agree with Jim this week. On many occasions I think he is correct but not this week. And that's because this episode seemed to be a rant of omission rather than a in depth look at the problem.

I am for:
used games
the termination of online passes
servers being available for the life of a console
milking of the DLC model

I do agree that games are a luxury item in so far as that it isn't a necessity of life. I also think that early adoption of games is a luxury. But I think that the $60 for a new (release) game isn't a bad thing. Here in Canada, games were typically $70 or more on release 10 to 20 years ago. I was pleased when games started showing up for $59.99 regularly. Considering the increase in development costs and such, I don't find it unreasonable. I also find it funny that anyone with a console or gaming level PC would dare complain that any game costs too much. If you can buy a console, you can afford games for it.

The truth is I pay what I think a game is worth. If I find $60 too much then I simply wait. He brought up Dragon Age. The Ultimate Edition with all the DLC is now on sale for $20 brand new and $15 dollars used at my local game shop. Sure it isn't the newest game on the market, but its still a great game.

What I find problematic is the dishonesty within the industry. On disc DLC has no business existing. Tacked on multiplayer for the sake of encouraging early adoption sales as well as server shutdowns are horrible. There is no excuse for either from a consumers point of view. For this reason I have stopped buying new EA games amongst others altogether. I pick up their games used if I still have to get something like Mass Effect 3 to finish the story.