John Carmack Says No Dedicated Servers for Rage

[hansari]

So it's really interesting to see him saying this.

Even more interesting that Carmack doesn't explain the merits of his position...

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Scotth:
People asked what our problem was, we explained it, we have been openly condemned and flamed.for daring to ask for not another lazy port.
Now, in the guise of a console gamer you've accused anyone with a PC of having a messiah complex, being childish and having to shut up until we've spent our money on something we don't want.

Don't you think that's a little unfair? Lazy 'ports have been made since the Spectrum era, and people haven't been lambasted openly for opinions.

All we're really asking for is a reason why they're moving to this new untested system and banning the old one. Neither IW or Carmack will say why.

That's hardly a reason to call us elitist three times in one post, is it? It's not like it's SSBB again.

 

[Fearzone]

Well it certainly does suck to be a hardcore PC gamer right now doesn't it? It's a shame really that this is happening, without Mods and stuff PC gaming would become like console online gaming. Fun for a while, that is until the next game comes out. Mods give life into games and can keep them going for years. But alas, no more.

This is the latest ploy from the game designers, make games fun for a limited time, so we have to buy more games. At least for me, I've been getting the Indie and small time PSN games for awhile now.

Great! I'm glad to hear this news. Sounds like a golden opportunity for an Indie team to stake new ground and maybe bring some innovation to a stale genre.

 

[4RT1LL3RY]

Wait? Is he saying there won't be dedicated server support, or that they won't host dedicated servers. If its type one thats bad, if its type two, that more then tolerable. I'm just trying to get this clarified.

 

[TheDude7053]

i'm gonna RAGE if there aren't any Linux excutables

 

[Brnin8]

I think this might be to stir up a little talk about Rage even if it will be mostly negative comments on the topic... I should PC gamers have the things that make the experience fun and unique taken away because some people don't know how to use a server list, which IMO is much faster and easier to use. Then there's the removal of mods, I don't mind in MW2 because I didn't mod that, but think if some games that really gain replay value from mods (I.E. most Bethesda games) were to suddenly lose them (I'm not saying Bethesda would I'm just using them as an example).

 

[FloodOne]

A dedicated server hosts the game with no players on, that means it can be set up for whatever game modes and left running.

Basically what it means as a gamer is that you get a list of servers which are there all the time, it tells you the game mode, number of players on, number of spaces available, map etc.

My experience of console gaming is that you click on multiplayer, it puts you in a random game with random people, random maps etc etc etc.

With dedicated servers you choose everything, you get to know the servers which are good/which people you like go on etc.

Far superior to random match making.

I can choose the modes I want to play on any console multiplayer I've played on. It seems to me like dedicated servers are outdated.

Another asinine desision from another developer who should know better. Carmack used to work for Activision, so you can see the dead hand of Bobby Kotick in this statement.

All it means is more money for Dice and EA Games. Honestly, some devlopers are to stupid for their own good.

Meanwhile PC gamers, don't worry the PC is still the dominant gaming platform in the world, no matter what the console crowd would have you believe.

This move to consoles is only a temporary affair, in a few years it'll be swinging back toward PC's again, and the xbox and all the rest of them will be consigned to the dustbin of gaming history. i.e. look at all the other consoles that have come and have now gone.

This is hilarious to me. The PC is the biggest game market in the world? Really? That's pretty laughable if you look at the numbers.

 

[scotth266]

IW's simply made the multiplayer the same for both console and PC

Which is a bit like cutting off everyone's dicks just because women don't have them.

And this is why nobody listens to you guys: you act like four year olds while complaining, instead of being mature about it.

 

[John Funk]

Another asinine desision from another developer who should know better. Carmack used to work for Activision, so you can see the dead hand of Bobby Kotick in this statement.

All it means is more money for Dice and EA Games. Honestly, some devlopers are to stupid for their own good.

Meanwhile PC gamers, don't worry the PC is still the dominant gaming platform in the world, no matter what the console crowd would have you believe.

This move to consoles is only a temporary affair, in a few years it'll be swinging back toward PC's again, and the xbox and all the rest of them will be consigned to the dustbin of gaming history. i.e. look at all the other consoles that have come and have now gone.

What? John Carmack has never worked for Activision. Several of his games have been PUBLISHED by Activision, but Carmack has been at id since ~1990, and they're owned by Zenimax now.

You may not like Activision, but blaming them for every little negative move in the industry is horrendously foolish and short-sighted.

 

[scotth266]

All we're really asking for is a reason why they're moving to this new untested system and banning the old one. Neither IW or Carmack will say why.

Which is why there's so much flame directed at IW for even DARING to mention the idea. I'm not objecting to your opinions on the dedicated server issue, I'm objecting to the way a good majority of your fellows are acting about it.

I think it's a GOOD thing to question the move to P2P, especially since the only game I remember with such a system was Gears Of War 2, and I don't have fond memories of that: but the ridiculous way some people are behaving has turned me against them. The dick analogy I quoted a little later on in the thread is a good example of why I'm more willing to listen to IW then to the complainers. Hell, the anti-L4D2 crowd was more civil than this.

I feel that there's a certain amount of trust that can be placed in these developers: there's got to be a reason for them to do this. Whether or not it amounts to anything good for the players is yet to be seen, but that's just it: we won't know how well the system works until people get their hands on the game and test it for themselves. Yet people don't seem to be willing to give it a chance.

Also, I'm mostly a PC gamer these days. The only people I accuse of being elitist among the PC crowd are those who act like IW has been bringing them a dumbed-down console version. Considering that you all seem to have loved the first MW so much, what makes you think that this is going to be a sloppy port job, even with their (unwise) decisions to eliminate most extras that PC games usually feature?

 

[metalhead467]

I'm sick of internet petitions.

 

[sgtshock]

If RAGE's multiplayer is just 4-player co-op, I can kind of understand (even though Left 4 Dead has dedicated servers despite having matchmaking). Still though, I hope to God this doesn't catch on.

Edit: Heh, my 777th post. Maybe that means I'm lucky and it won't catch on.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

The only people I accuse of being elitist among the PC crowd are those who act like IW has been bringing them a dumbed-down console version.

I'm seriously trying to find these people as I don't believe anyone here thinks that console are all bad, but we're being painted as such, just because we have a PC. There's an unbelievable torrent of hate coming towards the PC gaming community as of late and I just want to find out why?

If IW wish there to be 9vs9, rotating hosts, no mods, no records, then perhaps that's just a dick move on their part; but if Carmack is doing it, roughly at the same time, then it feels as if there's something WAY bigger than just dedicated servers on the line here, and we really don't want to lose the thing that makes us unique.

Apologies for any grammatical errors, I'm slaughtered atm.

 

[Pimppeter2]

I am completly speachless

Grrrr

 

[scotth266]

The only people I accuse of being elitist among the PC crowd are those who act like IW has been bringing them a dumbed-down console version.

I'm seriously trying to find these people as I don't believe anyone here thinks that console are all bad, but we're being painted as such, just because we have a PC.

There are several out there in Game Discussion who've either said that outright, or at least heavily implied that they're insulted to recieve the same/a similar version of the game as the console owners: trust me. I'd go sweep all the threads, but I'm all "controversied-out" at the moment, and I can't stand the thought of looking at another one of those endless shouting matches.

I don't have a problem with users like you or Roguewolf, who voice their discontent like adults. Heck, if I played MW on the PC, odds are I'd be siding with you, and I'm already a little miffed at how the console version has no party chat in certain game modes.

I DO have problems with people acting like this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.154097?page=4#3727026] though. If the PC gamer crowd wants to get through to the console gamer crowd about why this is such a bad thing, you're going to need to stop people from acting like this: otherwise the console gamers are going to stick their fingers in their ears and merrily ignore you.

The only reason I'm even attempting to side with IW/Carmack on this issue is because I want to play Devil's Advocate, and because I'm sort of curious to see what these companies have in store for us. I'm guessing that this is sort of a preliminary test for them: a way to innovate the way they think about multiplayer, and that as a result these early games are going to be a bit rough around the edges.

It could wind up that this turns into a "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" situation, but someone's got to be willing to try and shake things up.

 

[quack35]

I swear to God, this better not become a trend...

 

[lacktheknack]

I would like to thank game pirates for this. Everyone here who has ever pirated a game, this is because of you.

...?

(And no, I'm not a pirate, but I'd like to know how they are responsible.)

 

[lacktheknack]

Another asinine desision from another developer who should know better. Carmack used to work for Activision, so you can see the dead hand of Bobby Kotick in this statement.

All it means is more money for Dice and EA Games. Honestly, some devlopers are to stupid for their own good.

Meanwhile PC gamers, don't worry the PC is still the dominant gaming platform in the world, no matter what the console crowd would have you believe.

This move to consoles is only a temporary affair, in a few years it'll be swinging back toward PC's again, and the xbox and all the rest of them will be consigned to the dustbin of gaming history. i.e. look at all the other consoles that have come and have now gone.

As a PC fanatic, I think that you need to pull your head out of your ass say something resembling reality.