Joining the glorious PC Master Race

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

But I am saying the vast majority of "master race" PC gamers are being amazingly hypocritical if they do really think console gamers are somehow beneath them.

you do realize how many people have already pointed out that is entirely a joke, right? there isn't some critical divide where you must be one or the other either, I would argue many if not the majority of people who game on pc also have a console or two or more, so splitting sides there is silly.

Because according to sales data, most PC gamers are actually playing the same games the console gamers are, just turbocharged and belated.

...isn't that what most people argue in favor of pc for? I mean right there in itself is a positive for the pc, if you can mod a game to holy hell and back with whatever you please, and the "same games" are on both platforms, how is that in any possible way a negative to the pc?

 

[DrOswald]

There's no point in being histrionic about the history of PC gaming, I'm not talking about history. I'm talking about modern times and the way things are now.

My point is simple. The majority of folks who are new to PC gaming, are actually mainly playing console ports on their PC. That's why they need a 360 pad, instead of a mouse & keyboard. Most people are treating their PCs as souped up console game players. They're mainly playing console ports with better frame rates and higher resolution. That's not my opinion, that's pure fact based on sales of PC games for the past many years.

If you play AAA PC games, it's most likely they are ports. Look at how many of those have console versions. Now look at when the console versions were released, it's before the PC version was. That's because the PC version is the port. Ask yourself how many of the indie PC games you're playing are also available on XBLA, PSN, or eShop. Then look and see when said indies were released on those online stores, it's most likely before they ported to PC.

Right now the biggest selling PC game is Titanfall. The game is also on Xbox One (and 360...). Funny how the biggest selling PC game is also on console. Then again, that's been the case for years. The number one selling PC game is almost always a port of the number one selling console game. Don't think so? Right now the number one most requested PC game is Dark Souls II, which is a console game, factually.

I'm not saying consoles are better than PC. But I am saying the vast majority of "master race" PC gamers are being amazingly hypocritical if they do really think console gamers are somehow beneath them. Because according to sales data, most PC gamers are actually playing the same games the console gamers are, just turbocharged and belated.

Here is the problem: Sales charts do not tell you the whole story. The strength of the PC platform is not in the AAA market, it is in the diversity of games available. Of course the sales charts are always going to be topped by AAA multiplatform games. But total up the 15:1 game ratio of the PC to any other platform and I guarantee that PC exclusives sell far more and far more time is spent on PC exclusives, if only because console games tend to be so expensive and short. I bet the time I have spent on Civ V last year alone would account for more time than all the console ports I played on PC last year.

 

[Vigormortis]

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Sales data? I wonder if you've even looked at any proper sales data since most of your assertions are just patently false. Absurdly false, even.

I'm also curious where you got the Titanfall sales data. I've actually looked and could find almost nothing concrete. So I have a hard time believing that it is the "best selling PC game right now". It may very well be, but even if it is, it's irrelevant. Titanfall started out as, and was coded as, a PC game first. It was ported to the consoles. Rendering your entire claim moot.

PC gamers are being amazingly hypocritical if they do really think console gamers are somehow beneath them

The only hypocrisy on display is you claiming that people in this thread have been poking fun at console players when you are the only one who's actually brought up the topic.

 

[Vault101]

My point is simple. The majority of folks who are new to PC gaming, are actually mainly playing console ports on their PC. That's why they need a 360 pad, instead of a mouse & keyboard.

unless its a special case like Dark Souls you don't need a controller for a port if youre more comfortable with M/K, I was fine with DMC and a K/M

 

[Kathinka]

controllers are fun and very viable for most third person games.
now should you dive into the vast pool of first person games, i'd recommend investing a few hours to learn how to use mouse and keyboard. not only will it greatly enhance your performance as a player, it also opens the door to games much too deep and full of possibilities to be played with a controller, like red orchestra 2, arma or insurgency. plus you won't ever be able to really compete with m+k players online.

 

[RA92]

Now all you have to do is beg for console games now like GT5 or whatever.

Why beg for Gran Turismo when there's already iRacing, rFactor, X Motor Racing, Project Cars and Assetto Corsa on PC, especially when GT6 is a bit shit?

 

[Vault101]

Now all you have to do is beg for console games now like GT5 or whatever.

Why beg for Gran Turismo when there's already iRacing, rFactor, X Motor Racing, Project Cars and Assetto Corsa on PC, especially when GT6 is a bit shit?

they might mean GTA5

in which case...ehh i'd be nice to have for the people who want it but no big loss overall..nowhere near Red dead anyway

 

[RA92]

Now all you have to do is beg for console games now like GT5 or whatever.

Why beg for Gran Turismo when there's already iRacing, rFactor, X Motor Racing, Project Cars and Assetto Corsa on PC, especially when GT6 is a bit shit?

they might mean GTA5

in which case...ehh i'd be nice to have for the people who want it but no big loss overall..nowhere near Red dead anyway

Yeah.. plenty of better console exclusives to beg for. Vanquish, Bayonetta... getting Revengeance for the PC has been a good sign.

 

[Mr.Darkling]

A lot of people suggest the 360 controller and from what I have gathered, in my experience, this is your best option.
If you have a PS3 controller however you can find software that easily tricks a game into thinking it's a 360 controller too.
Any option should work either way; personally I only use a controller for Dark Souls and racing games so I can't say whether or not controllers are generally compatible with a lot of games.

 

[Pheo1386]

Not meaning to be confrontational, but playing devils advocate.....

1) my last gaming PC was a b**** to get working. Software updates, hardware updates, it's often that I had to optimise the machine for the game. In consoles, the game has been already optimised for the machine.

2) viruses/malware. I know consoles could be hit by these too but I've had a ps3 for 7 years and not once have I ever had any kind of software/hardware problem. PC has SOMETHING wrong with it on a regular basis

3) price. A half decent PC to avoid what I said above? Probably £700-800. I've bought a PS4, PSVita and games on both for that.

And finally 4) exclusives. Last of us, god of war, infamous SS are some truly excellent games. Microsoft exclusives such as Halo, Left4Dead ad Gears of War have just not really compared.

Each to their own, but I've had less problems with my PS3, PS4 and PSVita combined in all the time I had them than I have in a couple of months with a PC.

 

[MetalDevil]

Not meaning to be confrontational, but playing devils advocate.....

1) Laziness.
2) Uncarefulness/Stupidity
3) Get a job..?
4) http://i.imgur.com/TCRFBGs.jpg

The problems come with being un experienced, why do you want to be a pleb and play on a console when you could actually try and understand the technology you are using, my guess is that you didn't even build your PC, you are one with your PC, you know what you put into it, you know what can go wrong, consoles are just this closed box that some manufacturer gave to you. Building your first PC is what makes you love PCs, I remember first time fucking around with my first PC, I broke a Pentium I processor, it was so expensive back then, but that's why I'm in IT today. You must understand the technology you are using to love it, you can never say that you built a console, so excuse me while I go sit on my golden chair of peasants bodies..

No but seriously, some times I too get the urge to just say fuck this and buy a console, but patience is the key I guess.

 

[Cerebrawl]

1) my last gaming PC was a b**** to get working. Software updates, hardware updates, it's often that I had to optimise the machine for the game. In consoles, the game has been already optimised for the machine.

My latest was easy, but then it's like the 5th one I've built. Experience helps.

2) viruses/malware. I know consoles could be hit by these too but I've had a ps3 for 7 years and not once have I ever had any kind of software/hardware problem. PC has SOMETHING wrong with it on a regular basis

This used to be more of a problem than it is now. Just get some good antivirus(for a free option I recommend Avast!) and something that limits websites from sending you malware, like a noscript plugin, or things which cannot be discussed on this forum.

I haven't had a malware/virus problem in years. Much of it because I've plugged the infection vectors, so my antivirus doesn't even get much to do.

3) price. A half decent PC to avoid what I said above? Probably £700-800. I've bought a PS4, PSVita and games on both for that.

Well you could get a decent one cheaper, but that's what you'd expect for a somewhat future proof one that runs games on high/ultra settings that consoles can't even dream of. You can get a console-equivalent PC for a console-equivalent price(or possibly less), you'd just be stuck playing games on low settings, just like on consoles. Also due to game pricing, I could get 100 good games on the PC for the price of 10 games for the PS4/Vita. Suddenly the PC is looking more economical.

And finally 4) exclusives. Last of us, god of war, infamous SS are some truly excellent games. Microsoft exclusives such as Halo, Left4Dead ad Gears of War have just not really compared.

Many more exclusives on PC, and cheaper games.

Each to their own, but I've had less problems with my PS3, PS4 and PSVita combined in all the time I had them than I have in a couple of months with a PC.

Don't forget that consoles are built with budget components, PS3/4 might not have as much problems as the 360 did(47% hardware failure rate!) but even the PS3 and PS Vita both had a 10% failure rate, we don't have numbers for PS4 yet, as far as I'm aware. Consoles aren't free of hardware problems, but when they happen you can't fix them yourself, like you often can with PC(get replacement part), you're left with a bricked system, which is expensive to send in for repair unless you're still on warranty(PC parts have warranty too), it can often cost as much as just buying a used system.

 

[Vigormortis]

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You're first point is just patently false. Especially in light of today's PC gaming platforms and the current state of console gaming. Notably: day one patches, stability patches, firmware updates, and consoles being bricked by a combination of bad hardware and poorly coded games.

2) viruses/malware. I know consoles could be hit by these too but I've had a ps3 for 7 years and not once have I ever had any kind of software/hardware problem. PC has SOMETHING wrong with it on a regular basis

Sorry, but this is a user issue, not a platform issue.

If a user is idiotic enough to surf the web and/or download files haphazardly and without some amalgam of protection or self awareness then it's on them if their machine gets any malware.

And personally? I haven't had any issues with my PCs in regards to gaming, that weren't the result of something I did or something the dev screwed up, for near a decade. And the few times I have were similar situations to what's been happening on consoles.

I have never and will never understand this complaint...

3) price. A half decent PC to avoid what I said above? Probably £700-800. I've bought a PS4, PSVita and games on both for that.

This is still a fallacy. And, in the long run, PC gaming winds up being drastically cheaper than console gaming.

And finally 4) exclusives. Last of us, god of war, infamous SS are some truly excellent games. Microsoft exclusives such as Halo, Left4Dead ad Gears of War have just not really compared.

Each to their own, but I've had less problems with my PS3, PS4 and PSVita combined in all the time I had them than I have in a couple of months with a PC.

This is a matter o...wait. Hold on.

Microsoft exclusives such as Left4Dead

Huh-wha?

Anyway, this is a matter of taste, not quality or quantity. If anything PC has, and has had, far more exclusives than any given console. Especially in the last few years.

Quite frankly, if "exclusives" are your primary draw then consoles are the last platforms you want to turn to.

I get the disdain people have at the prospect of PC gaming, but much of their revulsion is based on misinformation and rhetoric. Some perpetuated by the community, some by the console makers.

I'm not saying PC gaming is for everyone. Not even remotely. But I think a lot of gamers miss out on the opportunity to try it just because they refuse to learn about it.

 

[Signa]

It's hilarious how venomous these conversations get for no reason at all. Guy wants to know how to not waste his money on periph-OMG GAME PLATFORMS!!!!

This is starting to feel like Yahoo answers and the infamous Babby Formed thread.

 

[Savo]

Go with the 360 controller. It works with damn near everything and it's a solid controller.

4) http://i.imgur.com/TCRFBGs.jpg

I'm sorry but that list makes me laugh every time I see it brought up. People think it proves that consoles are getting the short end of the stick for exclusives, but it says the exact opposite for me. There are so many good looking games on the console side of things, whereas I have to comb through the PC list to find something that even looks remotely decent to me. The PC side has so much stuff that looks like utter garbage. I always liken it to quality vs quantity, if you want mountains of bad-decent games, PC's got you covered, if you want fewer but better exclusives, consoles are the way to go.

 

[DarklordKyo]

I would suggest a dualshock 3 with betterDS3: http://betterds3.ciebiera.net/

Set up motioninjoy, run motioninjoy thru this software, use the default X-Input settings, and you get what amounts to a 360 pad with a better D-Pad.

 

[The Lunatic]

I'm sorry but that list makes me laugh every time I see it brought up. People think it proves that consoles are getting the short end of the stick for exclusives, but it says the exact opposite for me. There are so many good looking games on the console side of things, whereas I have to comb through the PC list to find something that even looks remotely decent to me. The PC side has so much stuff that looks like utter garbage. I always liken it to quality vs quantity, if you want mountains of bad-decent games, PC's got you covered, if you want fewer but better exclusives, consoles are the way to go.

What you've said is completely and utterly untrue.

 

[Savo]

I'm sorry but that list makes me laugh every time I see it brought up. People think it proves that consoles are getting the short end of the stick for exclusives, but it says the exact opposite for me. There are so many good looking games on the console side of things, whereas I have to comb through the PC list to find something that even looks remotely decent to me. The PC side has so much stuff that looks like utter garbage. I always liken it to quality vs quantity, if you want mountains of bad-decent games, PC's got you covered, if you want fewer but better exclusives, consoles are the way to go.

What you've said is completely and utterly untrue.

Admittedly the PC average metacritic score is a hell of a lot higher than I would have guessed it to be. Yes, there are good PC exclusives. I would never dispute that. However, the ratio of garbage to good games is considerably higher than it is on consoles, because it's a lot easier to make games for the PC. If we reviewed and factored in all the free-to-play MMOs, really obscure indie titles, and low budget garbage that flies under the radar and either doesn't get a Metacritic score or not enough reviews for it to count, I would bet you that average would be a lot lower. If we look at all the games that come out on each platform (not just the ones that got reviewed), describing it as quantity vs quality isn't that unfair of an assessment in my book.

I apologize if that came across as condescending to the PC platform, but I seriously am having trouble remembering the last time I was truly impressed with the PC lineup for a given year. I'm old enough to remember when the PC was the hottest place in town for exclusives (for me at least), but those days seem to be long gone, and I've gotten a bit jaded.

On another note, let me tell you what I see when I look at that chart I quoted. This is largely based in taste, but I'm seeing some damn fine exclusives across the board for the console side of things. The kind of games that people preorder and can't wait to play. There's AAA exclusives that, if nothing else, outspend the competition to the point that they're at least fun to play just to enjoy the production values.

I look over at the PC side and I see a lot of free-to-play games. I see a lot of MMOs, both free and paid. I see a lot of obscure indie titles that, although probably not that bad, I doubt I'll remember twenty minutes past the time I finish them. There's a bunch of strategy games, which is to be expected since they really only work on PC, which is cool, and we have some WRPGs. I'm not factoring in every single game that's represented, but you get the idea.

I love my PC. But, from where I'm sitting, the PC exclusive scene isn't all that great.

How often do us PC gamers get blockbuster can't miss AAA exclusives that light the gaming world on fire? Games like The Last of Us that have people crowing about them for months on end? We get some cool stuff like Day Z and the Witcher 2 (well, it was exclusive for a while anyway), but I basically have to keep a console just so I don't miss out on the awesome exclusives that won't come to PC. Like I said, a lot of it is taste. Maybe you love the PC exclusives, and that's perfectly fine. I don't particularly enjoy indie games, MMOs, or strategy games, so that's where I'm coming from.

 

[Vault101]

2) viruses/malware. I know consoles could be hit by these too but I've had a ps3 for 7 years and not once have I ever had any kind of software/hardware problem. PC has SOMETHING wrong with it on a regular basis

its not hard to avoid if you have anti virus, dont go to dodgey sites and slick on dodgey shit...ot know what you are downloading...

what the heck are you typing this on anyway? chances are THAT could get a virus


[quote/]Each to their own, but I've had less problems with my PS3, PS4 and PSVita combined in all the time I had them than I have in a couple of months with a PC.[/quote]

left 4 dead is not an exlcusive its on PC