This made me sick to my stomach. I don't care if it's legal or not, this guy needs to be punished. Harshly.
Judge beats daughter, internet has her back
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I don't think spanking should ever be allowed, for two reasons.
1) it tends to create a fear of the spanking as opposed to the actual act itself. For example, if my kid smoke drugs and I find out and beat the shit out of him for it, it won't make him afraid of the drugs (directly) it will make him afraid of what I will will do to him if he does drugs. What should be done is taking the minor aside and showing them the effects of drug abuse and all the bad things that come with it. Granted for stubborn or unyielding kids other non-violent methods should be applied, ie time outs removal of privileges etc either to accent the discussion or to give your child to calm down and think.
Think of it this way, if my dad told me not to smoke because he will beat me, I probably won't smoke while he can fulfil his threat. But what happens when he can't beat me. Perhaps I have grown or moved far away, based on my fathers teachings, why would I not smoke? the only danger that I've been told smoking brings is fatherly beatings/spankings/whatever, so with dad out of the way, smoking has no danger anymore.
But if instead I'm told not to smoke because it could hurt me and do damage to my body, it doesn't matter if my father is still around to enforce the rules, I will enforce them upon myself, I will be afraid of what damage smoking can do, not of what damage my father can do if I'm caugt.
2) we won't have to try and decide how physical is TOO physical anymore. the more ambiguous a law is written, the more often it gets exploited or undermined
1) it tends to create a fear of the spanking as opposed to the actual act itself. For example, if my kid smoke drugs and I find out and beat the shit out of him for it, it won't make him afraid of the drugs (directly) it will make him afraid of what I will will do to him if he does drugs. What should be done is taking the minor aside and showing them the effects of drug abuse and all the bad things that come with it. Granted for stubborn or unyielding kids other non-violent methods should be applied, ie time outs removal of privileges etc either to accent the discussion or to give your child to calm down and think.
Think of it this way, if my dad told me not to smoke because he will beat me, I probably won't smoke while he can fulfil his threat. But what happens when he can't beat me. Perhaps I have grown or moved far away, based on my fathers teachings, why would I not smoke? the only danger that I've been told smoking brings is fatherly beatings/spankings/whatever, so with dad out of the way, smoking has no danger anymore.
But if instead I'm told not to smoke because it could hurt me and do damage to my body, it doesn't matter if my father is still around to enforce the rules, I will enforce them upon myself, I will be afraid of what damage smoking can do, not of what damage my father can do if I'm caugt.
2) we won't have to try and decide how physical is TOO physical anymore. the more ambiguous a law is written, the more often it gets exploited or undermined
I honestly couldn't watch the video, I started it and then stopped it immeadiately.
But from the description this is just not on.
I myself have worked with children (younger than her, but still) with physical and mental disabilities, as well as without and there is never a reason to beat them- as I'm sure anyone with common sense will realise.
What I am NOT looking forward to is the BS excuses this guy will come out with in defence of this horrible behaviour.
But from the description this is just not on.
I myself have worked with children (younger than her, but still) with physical and mental disabilities, as well as without and there is never a reason to beat them- as I'm sure anyone with common sense will realise.
What I am NOT looking forward to is the BS excuses this guy will come out with in defence of this horrible behaviour.
Agreed. Sorry op but theres no excuse you can give to let her go. she allowed it to happen and even participated. You almost come across like the wife is just as much of a victim but how do we know shes not just lying to cover her own ass? If she was concerned for her daughter she should have called the police but she didnt.Fusioncode9 said:
My thoughts exactly. This man abused his daughter, as did the wife. The wife can apologize all day long, but the fact remains that she is an accessory to crime, and should be treated as such.FieryTrainwreck said:
No pity, no mercy, only justice.
I'm a cat person, do you have anything that could suit my tastes better?Phlakes said:Well, since this video has made a lot of people's days worse, here are some puppies-
Agreed. Sorry op but theres no excuse you can give to let her go. she allowed it to happen and even participated. You almost come across like the wife is just as much of a victim but how do we know shes not just lying to cover her own ass? If she was concerned for her daughter she should have called the police but she didnt.[/quote]Fusioncode9 said:
I don't think that's the OP's opinion, I believe it is a quote from the youtube description.
Uhh, did you watch the video?emeraldrafael said:
His actions weren't overkill, it was abuse.
He beat his daughter. That's not the kind of action any parent should do, let alone a judge.
While I'd say the mother does take a share of the blame, it's certainly not more her fault. The truth of it is, I'm assuming the majority of the Escapist isn't to familiar with spousal abuse. There is usually more psychological abuse done than physical. The mother is a victim too, even if her abuse wasn't caught on film.
Hey, Rockport is my hometown! It's actually a fairly nice community, so I'm hoping people won't immediately start posting ignorant comments about my town and my state OH WAIT I'M ON THE INTERNET.
This judge is despicable. I hope he pays for his abuse. I also hope people realize that despicable people are found all over the world.
This judge is despicable. I hope he pays for his abuse. I also hope people realize that despicable people are found all over the world.
I agree with everything in this post. Video was hard to watch. She sounds like my niece when she cries. I had to skip past the first beating where he was telling her to bend over the bed.Mimsofthedawg said:
So the wife let this deranged person wield the power of a judge for 7 years and only now came forward? She should be prosecuted for negligence.
Phlakes said:
Hmmm, well I only watched enough of it to get the idea, unless there is something missing, this is contreversial but not anything I expect to number his days or anything like that.
The issue of spanking a child, especially a teenager, is a touchy one, and a hot topic of debate. Paddles, belts, switches, rulers, and similar things are not unusual for this. From what I can see he doesn't appear to be doing any serious damage, and yeah he's angry, but the idea is to scare her and give her some bruises and welts.
The girl in question having problems, doesn't nessicarly mean she should be off limits to be spanked if you happen to agree with it in general. The bottom line is that she's capable of doing the things that she did to get in trouble, and knew she was disobeying her parents. In this case she was engaged in piracy, and her parents clearly view it as stealing.
Speaking for myself, I think corperal punishment can go too far, but is oftentimes the best way to keep kids in line. When your dealing with teenagers who are closer to being fully formed adults, it becomes more debatable on what effect it's going to have, and really raises all kinds of sexual questions as well.
Do I LIKE this, no... to be honest I don't. I'm not entirely sure I can condemn it though.
If I ever had kids (I never will) the question on whether to spank them or not is something I'd have to contemplate, and really it's a touchy subject. Honestly I might, especially when they are kids, since I tend to think bribing kids to behave and listen is more likely to turn them into self centered twits. It would be very situation, you don't want your kids to fear you in a general sense, but before they develop their own moral compass you do need to keep them in line and guide them in what's right and wrong. You also don't want them to get the idea that "why should I listen to Daddy, unless he's going to give me something" which is the whole problem with the usual alternative to spanking. Kids are not little adults, their thought processes about things are going to be differant from ours, and they really can't help it.
I guess it comes down to the differance between a spanking and a beating. The former I can understand, the latter is going too far. From what I saw here it's really hard to tell if this was excessive, or just loud.
I remember being beaten like this as a child, for everything from cussing to stealing a candy bar from the store by our house to not finishing everything on my plate at dinner time. It has had some lasting effects on me, to this day my siblings and I have nothing to do with our parents and they will NEVER meet their grandchildren.
I can remember being made to wear long pants to hide the bruises, and not being allowed to compete in sports, as most of the made you wear shorts.
The abuse was so bad that my brother and I both turned to drugs before we were out of middle school and my sister lived in her head; always off in her own world dreaming and singing it away, hiding in her closet with a flashlight and a doll named Betsy to keep her safe when the yelling would start, until she was 17 years old.
I do not believe this video was faked, I believe that this was so common an occurrence that the girl could anticipate when it was coming, and was smart enough to capture it on camera, but too scared to come forward with it. Imagine what would have happened if she had gone to the authorities with the video when she was still in the home with him... he being a judge, in Texas no less, (a state known for more child deaths at the hands of parents than any other state) he would have likely gotten away with it, then she would have been sent back into his care for him to do the same again, or worse.
I believe the OP has forgiven her mother, and that's why she defends her. She wants someone to hold on to, which is not uncommon with abused children. My sister always defended our father, saying mother was the one who was bat-shit crazy and always telling him to hit us harder and making him give us "preventional ass-whoopins" before he would going out of town, (for whatever we were planning to do wrong in his absence) but in the last year or so, since he disowned her when she finally confronted him about the abuse she has stopped defending him.
I can remember being made to wear long pants to hide the bruises, and not being allowed to compete in sports, as most of the made you wear shorts.
The abuse was so bad that my brother and I both turned to drugs before we were out of middle school and my sister lived in her head; always off in her own world dreaming and singing it away, hiding in her closet with a flashlight and a doll named Betsy to keep her safe when the yelling would start, until she was 17 years old.
I do not believe this video was faked, I believe that this was so common an occurrence that the girl could anticipate when it was coming, and was smart enough to capture it on camera, but too scared to come forward with it. Imagine what would have happened if she had gone to the authorities with the video when she was still in the home with him... he being a judge, in Texas no less, (a state known for more child deaths at the hands of parents than any other state) he would have likely gotten away with it, then she would have been sent back into his care for him to do the same again, or worse.
I believe the OP has forgiven her mother, and that's why she defends her. She wants someone to hold on to, which is not uncommon with abused children. My sister always defended our father, saying mother was the one who was bat-shit crazy and always telling him to hit us harder and making him give us "preventional ass-whoopins" before he would going out of town, (for whatever we were planning to do wrong in his absence) but in the last year or so, since he disowned her when she finally confronted him about the abuse she has stopped defending him.
I would also like to point out, if you watch the video closely, the Judge is putting quite a bit of weight and force behind the lashings.
She has ataxic cerebral palsy, meaning she has no motor control over certain parts of her body. Sure she could flail her legs, but she couldn't do much else to defend herself.ravensheart18 said:
She's not technically paralyzed, but I think you know what I mean.
You can comment on what you please however you do so in ignorance at your own risk.Eri said:
Its not as if they were hit a couple of times... that video is 5 minutes long and that is a fully grown man using his full force to leave trauma quality bruising no a 16 year old girl with motion control problems.
Concentrated around the legs it would effect walking but obviously can not be seen.
I was hit when I was very young but this is of a completely different nature and scale.
To comment on it without actually watching in the fashion you have is on a par with outright trolling.
