Just stupid! The things people believe!

[SilentHunter7]

Actually in some cases this crazy new age healing works.
Those Japanese foot pads are very therapeudic for your feet. Helps keeps callouses down.
There's also alot of mental power when it comes to many sicknesses. If you simply beleive you're being cured, some things will just go away as your body's immune system will get a random jolt.

You ever watch House? In one of (if not THE) first episodes, he gets a hypochondriac who lists off these symptoms to a disease he found out about in a commercial, and looked up online. House puts some TicTacs in a pill bottle, and gives it to him. Sure as hell, he's back two weeks later for a refill, because the 'prescription' was 'working wonders'.

 

[orreso]

I find it interesting that there are a LOT of people out there that believe there is this...invisible dude in the sky that had sex with a human who gave birth to a kid in a manger. This kid also grew up and was able to cure leprosy with just a touch of his hand and walk on water. That's some REAL funny stuff right there...! Ranks right up there to those guys that believe there are soulcatchers in the sky that capture alien souls and send them back to earth. I think South Park did an episode on THOSE guys.

I'm one to believe we never made it to the moon (based on science fact that we didn't have the technology...we simply didn't) and that 9/11 just /might/ have been a government plot given the recent move to seemingly make the US read like it came out of "1984".

There is scientific proof that Jesus did exist. Wheteher or not you want to believe he was the son of God is your problem.

Edit: I'm suprised flaming hasn't broken out. Someone will put something then someone else will politely dissagre and place their argument against the other person's. That's why this is the only forum I use. People who use it are civilized.

true (for both the accounts of jesus DID exist and escapist is indeed very civilized) but my theory is that jesus wasn't able to do all that stuff and that the Jews/Hebrews/whatever you want to call them were completely smashed on altar wine

 

[pieeater911]

She also beleives the moon landing was fake.

I'll be honest, so do I. Not in a conspiricy sort of way, but more of an, it's a good trillion miles from us. How did they 1: Get there in the course of a week 2: why haven't we gone back and 3: We didn't actually have the technology to safely store a reproducing supply of oxygen until the later seventies early eighties. (I think we just really wanted to beat them ruskies.)
The reasons the government gives are just a little, empty. But hey, me being psychotic and terrified of planes is not the subject at hand .

Anyway, there's more to the world than science can prove and even scientists know it. Bottom line. They'll say crazy things that you don't understand, and "show" you proof, when chances are, it's probably a randomly drawn pie chart. I'm now going back to my hut so I can pray to the horrible thunder bird demon in hopes that my crops grow this year.

A US Congressman (forgot the name) made a speech on the floor on the House when debating making English the official language of the USA and declared "If English was good enough for Jesus Christ, then it ought to be good enough for us."

LOL, guess we should be speaking hebrew then.

The moon is only 406,500 km away from the Earth. And we have been to the moon more than once. We've been SIX times. All of the Apollo missions from 11 through 17 landed on the moon, except for Apollo 13 which had system failures and had to go back home.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

There were no authors alive during the life of Jesus who wrote about him. None. Zip. Zero. Zilch.

actually there was ppl who did write about him, the thing is most early christians destroyed the material when they came across it

any text that made him appear to be human or less than divine was made illegal and burned, that is the rare one or two gospels that weren't hidden away and forgotten about, a few have recently surfaced. this is what happened with the library in alexandria

 

[FaultyClockwork]

i really don't know where you were taught theology but you are definitely mistaken. there are drastic differences just between the various books of the apostles and that's just within the New Testament.

I apologize, could you please provide a little more clarification? I'm not sure what you mean. By "drastic differences", are you referring to contradictions? If so, would you please name one?

i'd imagine the variations and differences get even more bizarre when you start examining the various iterations of the same books.

I already addressed comparisons of the 24,000 known manuscript copies of the New Testament in post #45.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/inerrant.htm

An interesting list of some errors and contradictions in the Bible I found a while ago.

 

[FaultyClockwork]

Billy Mayes is a witch.

 

[the monopoly guy]

http://www.hlcomic.com/index.php?date=2005-10-31
yes, some people will beleive the craziest things

 

[TheIceface]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/inerrant.htm

An interesting list of some errors and contradictions in the Bible I found a while ago.

I'm always interested in the proofs of innacurracies and contradictions people find in the Bible. Unfortunately, this link, like most peoples' examples are just speculations. In fact, the site admits to having no proof of inaccuracies or contradictions, all they have are "indications". (That word is in quotes because it is the exact word the site uses.)

So still, we don't have any examples of contradictions and such.

 

[werepossum]

I find it interesting that there are a LOT of people out there that believe there is this...invisible dude in the sky that had sex with a human who gave birth to a kid in a manger. This kid also grew up and was able to cure leprosy with just a touch of his hand and walk on water. That's some REAL funny stuff right there...! Ranks right up there to those guys that believe there are soulcatchers in the sky that capture alien souls and send them back to earth. I think South Park did an episode on THOSE guys.

I'm one to believe we never made it to the moon (based on science fact that we didn't have the technology...we simply didn't) and that 9/11 just /might/ have been a government plot given the recent move to seemingly make the US read like it came out of "1984".

There is scientific proof that Jesus did exist. Wheteher or not you want to believe he was the son of God is your problem.

Edit: I'm suprised flaming hasn't broken out. Someone will put something then someone else will politely dissagre and place their argument against the other person's. That's why this is the only forum I use. People who use it are civilized.

true (for both the accounts of jesus DID exist and escapist is indeed very civilized) but my theory is that jesus wasn't able to do all that stuff and that the Jews/Hebrews/whatever you want to call them were completely smashed on altar wine

From what I understand there is considerable historical evidence (which is different from scientific proof) that Jesus existing as a man. Remember that He was an important man from a powerful family; when the Romans mocked Him as "King of the Jews", it was because He was of the House of David.

There are even documents said to be in Jesus' hand, which the Vatican will not release or even acknowledge because they are secular (bills of lading, tax receipts) rather than from His ministry. Thus we don't know if they truly could have been written by Jesus (i.e. dated to his time) or are clearly fakes. For instance, there was a bishop in (I believe) 14th century France who collected Christian artifacts; he alone had several warehouses full of splinters of the True Cross and seven Foreskins of Our Lord. Even Saladin had a fragment of the True Cross, which he embedded into a threshold so that all entering his tent had to trod on it. Fake artifacts of Jesus were big business for centuries.

EDIT: Wow, thanks to thedrop2zer0 for an excellent encapsulation of Bible history. Too many people have this idea that the Bible was edited or compiled for ulterior motives; I tend to believe the people who decided which books to include, or equally difficult which word to use in translation, had motives as pure as can be expected of man. I have problems with the Apocrypha myself, but I don't doubt the motives of those who decided to include it.

On a side note, I find those historians and archeologists who honestly study the life of Jesus and the early Church produce some of the most interesting work of all, although I confess it's been a decade or two since I've really followed it.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

are u people really going to make me re-research this crap? 3 months of analyzing the books of the apostles under a Jesuit priest who studied from the actual dead sea scrolls and now I have to dig up this stuff again? Zzzzzzzz. You' re the one who claimed that their are magically 24000 duplicate manuscripts. How about you validate that fantastical claim before you make me dig up my bible?

You're the one who claims to love this stuff not me. Maybe I'll tackle this when your claim has more meat to it

 

[Hammerfan]

To the originator of this thread:
I know it's a petty, petty nitpick, but at 2 am I felt I couldn't ignore it. Please start only proper nouns and the first word of each sentence with capitals. I know trying to combat grammatical errors or any kind of sloppiness on the internet is like trying to bail out a sinking ship with a thimble, but honestly.
Sorry, it just annoyed me.

 

[Haliwali]

Actully the bit about the fire preventing plague was semi true. I forget the details but there was a monk who spent several years trying to find a way to stop the plague, one of the ways he found to reduce the chances of getting the plague was having a wall of fire around you. Unfortunately while he was visiting a patient he caught the Plague. However he pulled through it using the knowledge he gained, and actually lived quite a while longer.

And moon landings... Come on...

 

[Cab00se206]

Think about this though: there is amazing agreement in the Bible. Lets suppose that we were to take 40 random people from this forum and say to them that we want them to write about a subject, something non-controversial, like sports. Okay, ready to write? All 40 of you, write about what you think is going to happen at the next Cubs game. What you believe is going to happen, and how you think it is going to happen, I want you all to write about it.

i really don't know where you were taught theology but you are definitely mistaken. there are drastic differences just between the various books of the apostles and that's just within the New Testament. i'd imagine the variations and differences get even more bizarre when you start examining the various iterations of the same books.

hell, there are tons of books found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls that weren't even included in the modern cannon that you consider the bible. i mean, did you know that there is even an Ebonics Bible? yup, the supposed word of God translated into urban slang and jive talk. if that and the King James edition doesn't dissprove your theory then i don't know what does.

oh, FYI, respected theologians understand the book of the apostles as altered versions of christ's gospel written specifically for their own congregation in order to address problems and vices that their church were going through.

Very true ballptpenthief.
Taking the approved Good news Bible's story of the circumstances surrounding the birth of Jesus, only two books deal with it, and even in those two there are a whole slew of inconsistencies and contradictions.

In relation to Jesus' relation to David (the distant relative who was the reason Joseph and Mary went to Bethlehem in the first place) the two books have different numbers of names on the family tree, and almost none of the names overlap. This just begs the question as to why Joseph and Mary had to go there anyway, (because claiming David as your procreator carried about as much weight as Poo-Plop McJock of Aberdeen; At that time a huge percentage of the nation of Israel was descended from David, many more directly than Jeses) but that's a discussion for another time.

The point I've taken a while to get to is that we cannot take much from the Bible literally or historically, as it is the product of fallible people and much of it is contradicary when viewed together.

 

[Cab00se206]

While on the subject of the truth of the Bible, many people have tried to claim that although it IS Gods Word, designed to give people direction and a way to live life, sent to people by Him blah di blah, you can't dismiss its obvious inconsistencies by taking it LITERALLY. It was written as a metaphorical aid, much like Jesus' parables that sort of meandered about and made fools of people. You have to know what to take literally (like apparently things such as stoning adulterers and homosexuals) and what to take metaphorically (like the whole faith-as-a-mustard-seed, nothing shall be impossible for you bollocks, which is clearly not true) The thing is though, if you have the ability to pick and take things from the Bible to believe, that beans that the Bible itself, and therefore Gods Word cannot be, in of itself, your moral compass point, as you can choose do selectively disobey certain things in the Bible.