Just trying to save the world

[guardian001]

Everyone who wish to work just need to enlist. You get formation for what you wish to accomplish with your life. In the event of mass laziness, robots will be created for the tasks left that needs to be done. People who dont want to or can't work dont have to.

People won't work without compensation. And no, giving blood or volunteering doesn't count. people will commit acts of charity, but they will not work for the convenience of people who are just lazy. It a perfect world, maybe they would, but we don't live in a perfect world.

People risk their lives to do jobs that give us the things we take for granted. They do so because it pays them good money. If somebody asked me to work on an oil drilling platform for no money, I would laugh in their face. On the other hand, if I am offered a job on an oil rig where I can get paid up to $7000 per month, I would be there working on the rig as soon as was physically possible. Sure, it's dangerous, but I'm making a profit, and am able to make my own life more comfortable.

As for robots, we are nowhere even close to the level of sophistication needed to create robots that could replace workers. If we had that kind of technology, the working masses would have been out on their asses in the street before they knew what hit them. Even if we do somehow get to this level of technology, Who do you propose would make the robots? Why would people spend time and effort to create a robot for the benefit of the unwashed lazy masses?

This idea ranks below Communism on the scale of intelligence. Communism, at least, sounded good on paper. This doesn't sound good on paper, nor would it work in practice.

EDIT:

Oh, and do you realize that without the hundreds of people working as network engineers and maintenance workers, a job no robot could ever accomplish with current technology, you would never have been able to post this message? Or even find that website? People get paid good money to do these absolutely shitty jobs. If you stop paying them, they stop working. If they stop working, the internet stops working.

EDIT 2:
Why would anyone want our society to be a demented smiley face that is 1/4 on fire, 1/4 chia pet, 1/4mud, and 1/4 what appears to be icicles?

 

[Zetona]

I think the biggest problem is that if you give people no true incentive to work, then you can just as easily strip away their incentive to learn. Then the government can lead a society of stupid, brainwashed zombies.

 

[Aramax]

Because I'm bored!

"The premise upon which this system is based is that the Earth is abundant with plentiful resource"

Hold on to that line for later.

"Modern society has access to highly advanced technology and can make available food, clothing, housing and medical care; update our educational system; and develop a limitless supply of renewable, non-contaminating energy.

So all we need is power that never runs out and is completely clean? Have we checked unicorn farts or fairy poo?

"At present, we have enough material resources to provide a very high standard of living for all of Earth's inhabitants."

Well then, there shouldn't be anything like greed or crime....

"Only when population exceeds the carrying capacity of the land do many problems such as greed, crime and violence emerge."

You just said we haven't exceeded the carrying.... what? So are we over the limit with people or not?

"By overcoming scarcity, most of the crimes and even the prisons of today's society would no longer be necessary."

What about murderers or sexual predators?

"A resource-based world economy would also involve all-out efforts to develop new, clean, and renewable sources of energy: geothermal; controlled fusion; solar; photovoltaic; wind, wave, and tidal power; and even fuel from the oceans. We would eventually be able to have energy in unlimited quantity that could propel civilization for thousands of years. A resource-based economy must also be committed to the redesign of our cities, transportation systems, and industrial plants, allowing them to be energy efficient, clean, and conveniently serve the needs of all people."

Well I'm sure you'll have a nice supply of workers willing to do this work to set up a utopia if you pay them a nice salary. I mean, the limitless supplies of energy and redesigns of the cities haven't happened yet.

"With automated inventory on a global scale, we can maintain a balance between production and distribution. Only nutritious and healthy food would be available and planned obsolescence would be unnecessary and non-existent in a resource-based economy."

I'm starting to see a theme showing up and it has nothing to do with total freedom from capitalism. I like my snacks and fats and sodas.

"As we outgrow the need for professions based on the monetary system, for instance lawyers, bankers, insurance agents, marketing and advertising personnel, salespersons, and stockbrokers, a considerable amount of waste will be eliminated."

So... no law anymore? What about police? Are there police? Who will stop people from committing crimes when they get super bored from not having to work?

"With the elimination of debt, the fear of losing one's job will no longer be a threat"

Because you can just quit and ask for a free house.

We would run out of resources faster if we just handed everyone everything and didn't require people to do a bit of work about it.

You criticize well. Now if only you could come up with a suitable solution for all of our problems I would be happy to actually care about what you say.

 

[Zeke the Freak]

so you want the government to make people who want to actually EARN a living to give the shit THEY WORKED HARD FOR to LAZY ASSHOLES who dont have jobs for FUCKING FREE thus encouraging uneducation, unemployment and paying people to be lazy while PUNISHING those who work hard and want to have a good life, eh?

ive officially lost faith in humanity

Your range of thought is limited by the dominant values of your society. I can feel your frustration but that's only because you're already doing all those things you just mentioned.

My range of thought is....
DID YOU JUST CALL ME STUPID?!?!?
thems fightin words.

Back on topic, Your not rewarding the people, your spoiling them. and just like spoiled children, theyll be disobedient, theyll want more and more for free from their government.
You seem to think that everybody in the world is "very generous deep down inside, willing to work for the betterment of every body". All people are dicks who want to get ahead in life. You are, I am, the post after this one is, your mother, your father, mine as well. Its human nature to want luxury and to be above other people, to be envied by their peers because it meens theyve been prosperous.

 

[Yegargeburble]

You know, I like the "pessimist" image more than the other one...it looks more fun.

 

[Delicious]

This is some grade A trolling.

Loved the pictures by the way.

 

[sgtshock]

I already stated that a resource based economy is nothing like communism. It's way better.

If you think that doing nothing will save more lives then I pitty you.

You never stated why it isn't like communism. In fact, it sounds exactly like communism. The government distributes everything everyone needs to everyone without anyone having to do anything for it.

Why would anyone work? "Lol, it dusn't matter we'll just maek robots olololol" Whose going to make the robots? And what about jobs that robots can't do, like surgeons, psychologists, lawyers, etc. Plus, who is going to work for the government to distribute all this food?

Did you think this up in like, 5 minutes?

...or maybe I just fell for trollbait. Oh well.

 

[Antidamacus]

You criticize well. Now if only you could come up with a suitable solution for all of our problems I would be happy to actually care about what you say.

Easy: People are selfish, needy, hyper-emotional beings.

People want rewards for their work. If you reward people who won't work, there is no incentive to clean toilets, or do backbreaking physical labor, or frankly anything that isn't immediately gratifying.

What they're asking for is a MASSIVE undertaking of work. The example of WWII and not having the money glosses over one important fact: they paid all the workers and companies. They did not work for free.

People are not going to get up every day and do the work required to keep this going (who is going to make all the phones, cars, houses, roads, planes etc? Who is going to do service jobs like waiters?) if other people can just sit around all day and ponder philosophy and get rewarded exactly the same.

 

[Antidamacus]

This is some grade A trolling.

Loved the pictures by the way.

He did this in the North Korea thread, just random threadjacking to this topic. I think he's upset people stopped paying attention to it.

And yes, some good trolling. But I'm bored of the other threads.

 

[Berithil]

I would never freely give my money and possessions to lazy people (unfortunalty, that's what its comming to). I have this one question: what would happen if everyone decided to not work? Who would make all the food and products that we need? We're not at the age of robots doing everything for us. Who would operate all of the necessary city jobs (plumbing, electricity, ect) With an idea like this, we would end up living in a wasteland full of garbage because everyone is too lazy to clean up. Have you ever seen Wall-E? Thats what would happen. And who would engineer all of the robots? Thats a major flaw in your plan. You said in the case of mass laziness, robots would be created. How would robots be created if everyone is to lazy to work?

 

[Aramax]

All people are dicks who want to get ahead in life. You are, I am, the post after this one is, your mother, your father, mine as well. Its human nature to want luxury and to be above other people, to be envied by their peers because it meens theyve been prosperous.

Pessimist much. Just dont go in the street shooting people, kay.

 

[sorry user name taken.]

God I think this guy is just a troll...

agreed

 

[TheOnion]

this could be the worst idea I've ever heard. wow. When do I get my free car?

 

[Aramax]

If there was an immediate planetary threat, then a resource based economy may work as people would try their hardest to save themselves, so people would take up their roles in society with no resentment.

Seriously... grow some balls and stop smoking weed.

 

[Daye.04]

I think the biggest problem is that if you give people no true incentive to work, then you can just as easily strip away their incentive to learn. Then the government can lead a society of stupid, brainwashed zombies.

Shush! Don't say it like that, it might sound appealing to them =P

I guess we've all pretty much made it very clear that this idea is no where realistic .. But a nice thought, though. I might join Aramax on fairy island sometime ..

 

[Duke Nil]

Don't quite your day job

(and before some retard gets all excited, yes i did indeed intend the irony in that statement)

 

[Naeo]

I see the value in a resource-economy, but there's a major problem:
People will still want to wage wars. They just won't have to do it themselves now, resulting in more atrocities as the robots will be doing it. No, this is not a "robot takeover" scenario, but rather a "we don't have to actually do/see it now". It's happening externally; whoever has the better robots wins the war and suffers no real losses.

With no money, too, people get greedy and take what the want, not what they need. Human nature may not be inherent but it damn well won't change to "for the good of all" in anything less than many more generations than have existed in the past, oh, ever. People will want more than anyone else, so people will take the biggest houses possible, the most iPods possible, etc etc, and other will want this and either take the next thing down or kick them out and take what was taken before them. People will still rise up above others, someone will arise to lead and other will follow or not follow at their prerogative; someone will kill and be killed, rape and be raped, etc etc. This will not change at all. Animosity will still exist; people will still take out that animosity. Those who rise up and lead will rule over their less inclined followers and the less educated will likely be led like sheep; things will inadvertently end up more or less as they are now, just with no money and everything's free but nothing in stores/distribution points because greedy fucks take it all.

 

[Aramax]

I would never freely give my money and possessions to lazy people (unfortunalty, that's what its comming to). I have this one question: what would happen if everyone decided to not work? Who would make all the food and products that we need? We're not at the age of robots doing everything for us. Who would operate all of the necessary city jobs (plumbing, electricity, ect) With an idea like this, we would end up living in a wasteland full of garbage because everyone is too lazy to clean up. Have you ever seen Wall-E? Thats what would happen. And who would engineer all of the robots? Thats a major flaw in your plan. You said in the case of mass laziness, robots would be created. How would robots be created if everyone is to lazy to work?

And the console war will never come to an end... Oh wait!...