Kanye West announces bid for president.

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Yeah. There are few classes of drugs so awful for side effects as antipsychotics: horrible drugs to be on. Around for 70 years, dozens and dozens of them available, and they're all grim. The main advance in that time has been for more modern ones to reduce the likelihood and severity of really, really bad side effects (motor dysfunction) at the cost of increased susceptibility to less bad but still unpleasant side effects (sexual dysfunction, weight gain, sedation, etc.)

Although Kanye would more likely do better with lithium or an anticonvulsant (as they can be effective for mania) rather than an antipsychotic. Even so, many people with bipolar don't like them, as they can suppress emotional range, coginition, and generally feel quite mentally deadening.
Yep, it made social interaction for him really hard. Because he smoked cigarettes, and one of his reactions would be to randomly gag when smoking, sometimes literally vomiting on himself as a result. So it made going out around other people nearly impossible for him. And that was just one of the reactions that he apparently had on the various drugs.
 
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I think he just bailed ou,mt of it, so bow we no longer have to ask what is a more terrifying thought: Kim as first lady or Kanye haveing controle of the nukes
 

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You've got to wonder how much of this is just Kanye diving into things by the power of narcissism and how much is his family letting him because trotting him out like a grim dancing bear of old is a great way to stay in the headlines
 

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I think he just bailed ou,mt of it, so bow we no longer have to ask what is a more terrifying thought: Kim as first lady or Kanye haveing controle of the nukes
The latter. Don't have a problem with Kim Kardashian myself, and all the first lady needs to do is be rich and turn out to functions with the right people, right?
 

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You've got to wonder how much of this is just Kanye diving into things by the power of narcissism and how much is his family letting him because trotting him out like a grim dancing bear of old is a great way to stay in the headlines
If we are going by Kanye's rant I don't blame you for not listening or reading it Kim has tried to make him go see a doctor but he keeps saying no. Take that for what you will. And also all Kardashian media master mind goes to Kris Jenner.

Because the devil works hard Kris Jenner works harder.
 

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If we are going by Kanye's rant I don't blame you for not listening or reading it Kim has tried to make him go see a doctor but he keeps saying no. Take that for what you will. And also all Kardashian media master mind goes to Kris Jenner.

Because the devil works hard Kris Jenner works harder.
I confess I did not listen to it because thankfully audiobooks and podcasts means I have something to listen to other than the Kanye brand inanity. But, like...how hard is Kim Kardashian trying to make him see a doctor here? She's not exactly a weak and feeble ingenue, who can only get a case of the vapours as her husband does what he likes.
But yeah if its Kris Jenner pulling these strings then fundamentally blame goes to her for deciding that watching the spiralling mental descent of a human is worth it for those clicks and shares
 

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You've got to wonder how much of this is just Kanye diving into things by the power of narcissism and how much is his family letting him because trotting him out like a grim dancing bear of old is a great way to stay in the headlines
He really is a circus sideshow freak isn't he?
Come one, come all! Gaze and marvel at God's mistake, the most insecure man in the world! A man so worried he was a gay fish he married a hobbit! A man so worried people don't think he's the voice of a generation he interrupted an award show to brag about how much his opinion matters! A man so worried people don't think he's the greatest man ever he runs for President on a "I almost aborted my daughter and think slavery was a choice" platform.
 

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But, like...how hard is Kim Kardashian trying to make him see a doctor here? She's not exactly a weak and feeble ingenue, who can only get a case of the vapours as her husband does what he likes.
I'd imagine it'd not be easy to make Kanye see a doctor (in a meaningful way) is he's opposed to it.
 

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But, like...how hard is Kim Kardashian trying to make him see a doctor here? She's not exactly a weak and feeble ingenue, who can only get a case of the vapours as her husband does what he likes.
As someone who has lived with a mentally unstable person, and had to see the shit show that is the mental health system in the US, there isn't a whole lot that a person can do to force another person into treatment/therapy. If they aren't doing anything criminal, or immediately harmful to themselves or others. If Kanye doesn't WANT to go to therapy, aside from him doing something like whipping his dick out at his presidential party, and declaring the first person to suck him off gets to be his VP, AND also go to heaven with GEEEEZUSUH! , we're pretty much stuck with him ranting like a fucking loon. And there is very little legal recourse for the family. Given how nuts he is, I am confident that Kim, and the rest of the family, who definitely seem to me, to be people with their heads on straight, and capable of reason and understanding unstable behavior, have tried multiple times to get Kanye to go to treatment, hence why he's said she tried to lock him up. To HIM, yeah that's what it seems like, because he's irrational, and people with irrational minds, don't process things rationally. So to HIM, it's them trying to cart him off! When the reality is probably more along the lines of "Kanye, you're behaving crazy, scaring us, embarrassing yourself every time you go out in public, I think you should see a doctor about some therapy and/or medication."
But Kanye doesn't think anything's wrong with him, he's just juiced on Jesus Juice and his own inflated ego, and he thinks there is nothing wrong with that.
 

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He really is a circus sideshow freak isn't he?
Come one, come all! Gaze and marvel at God's mistake, the most insecure man in the world! A man so worried he was a gay fish he married a hobbit! A man so worried people don't think he's the voice of a generation he interrupted an award show to brag about how much his opinion matters! A man so worried people don't think he's the greatest man ever he runs for President on a "I almost aborted my daughter and think slavery was a choice" platform.
Basically yeah. Its Joseph Merrick all over again but with mental illness rather than physical. "Come one and all, come point and laugh at the President Man!"

I'd imagine it'd not be easy to make Kanye see a doctor (in a meaningful way) is he's opposed to it.
As someone who has lived with a mentally unstable person, and had to see the shit show that is the mental health system in the US, there isn't a whole lot that a person can do to force another person into treatment/therapy. If they aren't doing anything criminal, or immediately harmful to themselves or others. If Kanye doesn't WANT to go to therapy, aside from him doing something like whipping his dick out at his presidential party, and declaring the first person to suck him off gets to be his VP, AND also go to heaven with GEEEEZUSUH! , we're pretty much stuck with him ranting like a fucking loon. And there is very little legal recourse for the family. Given how nuts he is, I am confident that Kim, and the rest of the family, who definitely seem to me, to be people with their heads on straight, and capable of reason and understanding unstable behavior, have tried multiple times to get Kanye to go to treatment, hence why he's said she tried to lock him up. To HIM, yeah that's what it seems like, because he's irrational, and people with irrational minds, don't process things rationally. So to HIM, it's them trying to cart him off! When the reality is probably more along the lines of "Kanye, you're behaving crazy, scaring us, embarrassing yourself every time you go out in public, I think you should see a doctor about some therapy and/or medication."
But Kanye doesn't think anything's wrong with him, he's just juiced on Jesus Juice and his own inflated ego, and he thinks there is nothing wrong with that.
I get its not going to be as simple as "Take your meds." "No." "Please?" "Oh alright." But she's his wife, the mother of their various children and, perhaps more cynically, his link to the Kardashian franchise machine. Does she really have no means of reining him in, no leverage over him?
 

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I get its not going to be as simple as "Take your meds." "No." "Please?" "Oh alright." But she's his wife, the mother of their various children and, perhaps more cynically, his link to the Kardashian franchise machine. Does she really have no means of reining him in, no leverage over him?
Quite possibly not. If Kanye's in some sort of paranoid or megalomanic state, there's no particular reason he'll listen to anyone at all. Never mind that, but even people who aren't mentally ill can't necessarily be persuaded by their spouses, even when those spouses threaten to walk.
 

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I get its not going to be as simple as "Take your meds." "No." "Please?" "Oh alright." But she's his wife, the mother of their various children and, perhaps more cynically, his link to the Kardashian franchise machine. Does she really have no means of reining him in, no leverage over him?
No, she legally doesn't. He's an adult in his own right, and has the final say on his own mental/physical health matters, outside my above examples of him doing criminal/dangerous things. Unless she has evidence of cases where he was a danger to himself and others, there's very little the government can do about it. Plus you have to consider state laws about these things as well as federal. She might be able to do her state's equivalent of a "Wellness Check", but those checks look for things like open refuse problems in the house. Sanitation issues, are they living in their own filth? Are they writing on the walls in crazy script? Etc. And I promise nothing like that is at the Kardashian/West house. It's too well kept. So they would only be able to report that he's got good hygiene, is in an immaculately maintained home, and doesn't seem to be suffering from malnutrition/etc.

Being crazy in itself isn't illegal, thus you can't confine someone just on the basis of that against their will. They have to behave in a way that is demonstrably illegal/dangerous, and only then can the various agencies step in.
 

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Jesus can't fulfill the duties of the office. Not eligible to be president, for one (not a natural born US citizen). Wouldn't show up to break Senate ties, for another.
You don't have to be a natural born citizen if you were a citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted, so if Jesus was in disguise in America in 1787, problem solved!
 

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Jesus can't fulfill the duties of the office. Not eligible to be president, for one (not a natural born US citizen). Wouldn't show up to break Senate ties, for another.
I know you are being silly with this statement, but you do understand that something like the rule of law isn't going to stop someone as delusional as Kanye from declaring it right? I mean ultra-religious bloc of the country have been trying to turn us into a theocracy for decades, and are succeeding. It's not like it's a bizarre thing for them to spout. We've got things like all the religious leaders with their hands on Trump in a photo-op, doing the lay of hands thing, as if they have magical powers to convey their god's magic via touch, is it really crazy to think someone as horny for jesus as Kanye would say they want to bring "God back to the Government!" by declaring that jesus is their VP?
 
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See if Democrats were 1% as ruthless as the republicans using a deeply mentally ill person to sabotage Joe Biden's Campaign we would already have M4A and Free College, and we would be well on our way to Green New Deal, but nooo.

The Democrats ran on with milquetoast platitudes, while the republicans ran on machiavellian thinking, ruthlessness, and pragmaticism.