Caliban1972 said:
Jabberwock xeno said:
Caliban1972 said:
Jabberwock xeno said:
PaulH said:
Jabberwock xeno said:
Ouch.
Not for the bullied kid, but for the bully.
As much as he deserves to get hit back, he didn't deeserve to be fucking pile driven into concert, he could have been killed.
Thowrn into the wall, maybe, but not headfirst into the sidewalk.
He wasn't thrown headfirst in the concrete.... His left leg and arm connected with the ground before his head. Bah ... I've seen spear tackles worse than this.
Casey just threw the lad ... it would have hurt, and sure might have broken an arm or leg, but I think it's a bit sensationalist to say 'he could have been killed'.
Maybe, but do you know how hard it is to accuratly control a entire person so that a partgilar part of their body does not hit the ground first?
The fact of the matter is, he COULD have been seriously injured. Did he desrve to be beat up? maybe, but not a freaking concusiion.
Yes, the bully would have made sure to stop hitting Casey before he injured him, so we should be concerned about what injuries the bully COULD have received, rather than what actually happened.
Brilliant thinking there.
News flash: Attacking some one bigger than you (or anyone at all really) could end up with you being seriously injured.
So not only is this kid a bully, but stupid as well. He initiated the violence, gets to deal with the consequences of his actions. I have not one ounce of sympathy for any injuries he "might have" received.
I'm slightly concerned about what actually happened in the real world, the world where Casey was bullied and abused constantly until he stood up for himself, stopped the attack, and walked away once his attacker was no longer a threat. Some fictional injury that his attacker didn't actually receive? Meaningless.
Based on how casey maneged himself, to me it seemed he could have easily just punched back, slammed him into a wall, or whatever.
Hell, he didn't even look bother when he got hit.
Maybe i'm just playing devils advocdate, but to me, what he did seemed unessacrly forecful.
Legally, for self defense, you are allowd an apporate response of equal force. You can't shoot somoen in the head for egging your house, or chase after someone who puched you and ran off, then stalk them to their house and kill the attacker.
Here, casey seemed to go beyond "equal force".
EDIT:
Okay, after re-reading your post, I get what ytou are saying.
he didn't get his head cracked open, or his neck broken, so there's no use argueing over what "may" have happened, right?
I agree with you there, i'm just saying that that's not the best way to handle this situation, and if someone who is being buiiled were to wacth this and try the same thing, they COULD end up killing someone.
A) "Equal Force" is bullshit - that just perpetuates the current level of violence. If you want it to end, you either have to remove yourself from the situation, which is nearly impossible to do in a school environment because you HAVE to be at school, and you HAVE to got to classes so the bullies can always find you if they want to. Or, you escalate the violence with a quick and decisive strike that leave the attacker unable or unwilling to continue.
Most kids aren't going to think it through that calmly and clearly, but the result is the same - either you decide to strike back with calculated force or you snap and go apeshit on your attacker.
B) "That's not the best way of handling the situation" - this line of reasoning is also bullshit. You and I were not there in that schoolyard, backed up against the wall, being punched in the face and gut while your attackers friends stood around and laughed, and NO ONE is helping you. He was there, and he was alone. Second guessing the actions he took in the heat of the moment and explaining how "he should have handled it" in a more perfect world is useless, and worse it's insulting. He was there, he was being attacked, he stood up for himself in the best way he could manage at that moment. And then he walked away after it was clear his attacker wasn't going to continue, which is a lot better than many teenagers would do in that situation.
I think he did a lot better than most people without formal self defense training would do.
I agree with you on the last part.
I think most of why we are argueing is over the fact that we are debating what may have happened.
No, I was not there.
Based on what I am interpreting in the video, I came ot the conclusion the casey, at most, was not physically hurt to anything more a negligible degree, and could have easily diffused the situation just as easily by simply punching back, throwing the bully against the wall, or etc.
That's what I saw, that's the way I think should have been the actions taken.
When I fought as a kid, weather for fun, or because I was being harassed, I always thought through my actions. I was precise, I planned.
When I was being annoyed during gym, I snapped, but I still thought, and planned.
I turned around, grabbed the person by the neck, quickly, in one fluid motion, and stood like that, hand around his neck for 10 seconds, not saying anything, but sending a message with my eyes that clearly said:
"Stop. Now."
I then let go, and continued as if nothing happened, and was never bothered again by them. ( I even heard a few chuckles at the person by his friends with "wow, he just owned you" etc)
I was able to diffuse the situation, without causing any possible harm.
He could have easily done the same, by pinning this kid, half his size, against the wall.
Maybe other just don't think so fast as me in a heated moment, but based on how quickly Casey was able to act, blocking before he struck back, and how he struck back, he seemed to be in control of the situation for the majority of the time, and simply did not NEED to resort to something that ran the risk of seriously injuring someone.
Now, I may be wrong. Perhaps casey WAS scared, was inmtidated, and simply acted on a whim, but soley fromt he video, this did not seem to be the case.
