Kitten found buried alive in concrete.

[DRes82]

How do you know what goes on in a kitten's brain? I don't have a cat at the moment, but the ones I've seen seem pretty expressive. Like that kitten in the video. It was obviously terrified and in pain.

I'm pretty sure they have tests that determine self-awareness. The mirror test is one I know of. Most animals don't pass it, when even a newborn human baby can. It's not exact, but it's evidence.

Fact of the matter is, animals aren't intelligent. They aren't people. There is no other perspective to look at this from but the human one, because it's the only perspective with any meaning to us. And animals can absolutely destroy when given the opportunity. There are a number of species that are royally fucking up the environments they inhabit because that's what they do, and they don't care at all because they can't comprehend anything greater than their survival instinct. Humans may destroy the environment and each other, but we also try to fix it when it happens, which is a LOT more than you can say for literally any other animal. We are better than them.

The human perspective is the one that we're most familiar with, but its certainly not the only one out there. Its selfish and arrogant. As evident by the 'humans are innately superior to all life'. Self awareness tests are conducted from a human perspective, which renders them meaningless. It would be like a fourth dimensional intelligence plopping your ass down in front of a four dimensional mirror and saying, 'ahh, this silly creature doesn't even recognize itself', when you fail to see a reflection.

Name a species that is destroying its environment aside from humans. Invasive exotics not included, because they were transplanted by humans.

Also, you show me where humans have corrected any of the bullshit that they've inflicted on the planet. Granted there are groups of people working for it, but they are a very tiny minority and they really don't make a dent.

And again, this intelligence argument...it holds no water. Intelligence is an evolved trait just like claws or teeth or scales. How does that make us 'better'? It only makes us more powerful. I guess that's subjective. Some people consider more power better. I just think it ruins shit.

 

[targren]

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Crap on that. Animals are incapable of malice and evil. Humans revel in it. Why should we help/save a species that's even capable of dreaming up this sort of twisted shit?

That's only because they don't know what those are. an animal wouldn't go out of it's way to save the kitten unless they wanted to eat it

It also wouldn't go out of its way to bury a kitten in cement, or smash its head in with a spike heel on youtube (I only wish that I was being hyperbolic).

Fuck humanity.

 

[WorriedSandwich]

Fuck you low content filter, all I can say is

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[SD-Fiend]

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Crap on that. Animals are incapable of malice and evil. Humans revel in it. Why should we help/save a species that's even capable of dreaming up this sort of twisted shit?

That's only because they don't know what those are. an animal wouldn't go out of it's way to save the kitten unless they wanted to eat it

It also wouldn't go out of its way to bury a kitten in cement, or smash its head in with a spike heel on youtube (I only wish that I was being hyperbolic).

Fuck humanity.

but it'll go out of it's way to rape and torture just for fun. it'll also lay eggs in another animals nest so that when the baby hatches it can push the other eggs out of the nest and get all of the food from the mother. heck they'll even kill off another member of the herds baby because it's not theirs

 

[MyNameIsNowNotMyName]

Why? Did god tell you that?

Why are you so insistent on religion here? I said nothing about my faith, and it isn't at all relevant.

It took just as long for the cat to evolve into what it is as it did for you to evolve from primordial monkeys.

Therefore we're equals...? Okay.

You explain exactly why a human life is more valuable than any other life on this earth, and maybe we can get somewhere.

We're self aware, for one thing. Do cats even develop personalities at all comparable to the way we do? Do they experience emotions on a level even nearing that of a human being? They run solely on instinct and are incapable of reason. I love animals and cruelty towards them is disgusting to me, but if in some bizarre scenario I had the choice between all the adorable kittens in the world and a single human life, the kittens gotta go.

ALL the kittens? This may cause environmental issues.. but ALL the kittens for a human life? At least leave 500 alive, could you understand the repercussions if we don't!?!
(/Hypotheticalrant)

 

[Grunt_Man11]

Got ninja'd here. I was considering making a post about this.

Well, I can still post a link to a petition to get this stopped.

http://www.change.org/petitions/the-governor-of-az-justice-to-those-who-are-committing-gruesome-acts-of-animal-cruelty

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I bet it was an accident . There is a lot of easier ways the dispose of kittens . Plus who cares , it's an animal . Let's worry about helping/saving humans first and then animals . How can we save others when we can't save ourselves?

You do realize you're an animal too right? You're a mammal. Just because you have higher thinking skills doesn't make you somehow better than that kitten. In fact, by that comment I'm pretty sure you're not.

There was no split-second decision "should I save the human baby or should I save the kitten?" And how the hell do you "accidentally" bury a kitten alive in concrete? You do realize that you have to WATCH where you put concrete right? And if you're just letting it pour without paying attention, you're doing it wrong.

I don't know if this whole mormon thing is true or not, but whether it is or isn't, that doesn't mean that someone isn't a total asshole for letting that kitten get hurt. Yeah there are suffering people out there, but that doesn't mean that we should see a kitten and let it get hurt just because somewhere someone else is suffering. It doesn't help the people suffering and doesn't help the kitten. Saying that you're not going to help a kitten because somewhere a person is in need of help is just trying to be lazy so you don't have to do the right thing!

Stop and think about it! That kitten WAS ALIVE AND BURIED IN CONCRETE!!!! Stop and think for a moment about how UTTERLY TERRIFYING that is! And that kitten had to die because either someone was being malicious or someone was being stupid. If we can't keep even something like that from happening, then we sure as hell can't help ourselves.

While you are very right in a lot of ways, sir, I feel the need to point out that our higher thinking functions IS what makes us superior to animals.

Who would you save first in a life threatening situation? A human or an animal?

 

[Greni]

That sure is an odd way to fight for polygamy, I mean from the article that that's what I understand the dick in question was doing by burying it.

I am though all in favor of polygamy so let's have a tune to lighten up this depressing affair.

 

[The Artificially Prolonged]

Well that has ruined my day D:

The hell is wrong with some people?

 

[ElPatron]

And how the hell do you "accidentally" bury a kitten alive in concrete? You do realize that you have to WATCH where you put concrete right? And if you're just letting it pour without paying attention, you're doing it wrong.

People are always doing things wrong. The mistakes in this world are not caused by fairies. And now you know...

Dude, if you want to warn someone, don't bring their pet into it.

That's fucking sick.

I think you misunderstood the point of threatening someone: the sickest thing you can pull off is probably the one that works best.

 

[Madgamer13]

Greets!

Cruelty is something new to this planet? Pfft.

Here is what wet and drying portland cement does to you: http://www.elcosh.org/en/document/528/d000513/cement-hazards-and-controls-health-risks-and-precautions-in-using-portland-cement.html

The TL;DR version of that is the chemical composition of cement is corrosive to human skin tissue, it also draws all the moisture from anything next to it while drying. There is also crystalline silica present in cement, which makes your skin very... Uuh.. well, smooth and shiny? Kind of like how sand paper smooths out the surface of metal. Put those together and drying cement will flay the skin from a human being.

If that is what it'll do to a human, what ever could it do to a helpless, mewling kitten?

 

[Sean Hollyman]

And how the hell do you "accidentally" bury a kitten alive in concrete? You do realize that you have to WATCH where you put concrete right? And if you're just letting it pour without paying attention, you're doing it wrong.

People are always doing things wrong. The mistakes in this world are not caused by fairies. And now you know...

Dude, if you want to warn someone, don't bring their pet into it.

That's fucking sick.

I think you misunderstood the point of threatening someone: the sickest thing you can pull off is probably the one that works best.

I didn't misunderstand it, I just think it's a really crappy thing to do

 

[Kolby Jack]

How do you know what goes on in a kitten's brain? I don't have a cat at the moment, but the ones I've seen seem pretty expressive. Like that kitten in the video. It was obviously terrified and in pain.

I'm pretty sure they have tests that determine self-awareness. The mirror test is one I know of. Most animals don't pass it, when even a newborn human baby can. It's not exact, but it's evidence.

Fact of the matter is, animals aren't intelligent. They aren't people. There is no other perspective to look at this from but the human one, because it's the only perspective with any meaning to us. And animals can absolutely destroy when given the opportunity. There are a number of species that are royally fucking up the environments they inhabit because that's what they do, and they don't care at all because they can't comprehend anything greater than their survival instinct. Humans may destroy the environment and each other, but we also try to fix it when it happens, which is a LOT more than you can say for literally any other animal. We are better than them.

The human perspective is the one that we're most familiar with, but its certainly not the only one out there. Its selfish and arrogant. As evident by the 'humans are innately superior to all life'. Self awareness tests are conducted from a human perspective, which renders them meaningless. It would be like a fourth dimensional intelligence plopping your ass down in front of a four dimensional mirror and saying, 'ahh, this silly creature doesn't even recognize itself', when you fail to see a reflection.

Name a species that is destroying its environment aside from humans. Invasive exotics not included, because they were transplanted by humans.

Also, you show me where humans have corrected any of the bullshit that they've inflicted on the planet. Granted there are groups of people working for it, but they are a very tiny minority and they really don't make a dent.

And again, this intelligence argument...it holds no water. Intelligence is an evolved trait just like claws or teeth or scales. How does that make us 'better'? It only makes us more powerful. I guess that's subjective. Some people consider more power better. I just think it ruins shit.

The human perspective is the only perspective worth thinking about. Everybody here aside from the internet using eldritch abominations is human. The only known form of life we can truly communicate with is other humans. There is no other perspective to consider, because even if you were trying to put yourself in that cat's cement shoes, the only way you can comprehend it is if you yourself were a kitten but with your human brain to comprehend it, which makes the whole exercise pointless anyway. Your ability to truly comprehend what it is like to be a non-self-aware creature is like your ability to truly comprehend infinite; i.e., you can't. It's impossible. It's as pointless as animal cruelty itself. So, unless intelligent aliens with a whole other set of values makes contact with us, as it stands we can only consider anything from the human perspective.

Invasive species are actually very valid. Humans may have transplanted them, but they are still unable to give a flying fuck about the kind of damage they are doing unlike humans. When humans don't give a flying fuck, it's because they choose not to. Animals don't have a choice.

Humans have driven a number of species to near extinction, and through concerted effort reversed it and allowed the species to bounce back like the bald eagle or the gray wolf. And even the ones that seem impossible, like the giant panda... at least we're trying (those damn bears just won't cooperate), and that certainly counts for something.

I guess this really boils down to your definition of "better." Me personally, I say the fact that humans have morals at all makes us better, even if we choose to ignore them sometimes. Animals have no morals. The fact that we're more intelligent makes us far more fit to thrive and survive than any other species, so we're also better by the natural order of the world. Eventually (barring catastrophe) we'll be able use technology to reach the point where we transcend evolution and define it ourselves, so yea. By my definition, we're better in every respect. I suppose if you think of us as "just animals" than yea you can say we're no better (or worse), but most humans greatly resent the notion that we're "just animals," so I doubt you'll find much support there.

 

[Bacaruda]

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I hate myself and I kind of detest you.
I hate myself for clicking on the video even though there was a warning. The sound the kitten makes is like dagger to me. And I don't even like cats. But the sound of helpless animals(humans included) is my weakness. And after seeing the other thread of the 7 year old girl shot dead.
God damn it... And I don't like you for making me feel like this, even though it's my own fault for not listening to my instincts.

 

[ResonanceSD]

Mormons.

The branch of christianity that is just too "out there" even for other christians.

 

[Padwolf]

What fucked up people. If anyone dared do that to my pet I would kill them. The people who saved the poor kitten have my respect. I wish the people who did it would die or have the same done to them. Can't stand people who do fucked up shit like this. This is just sickening. Animal cruelty makes me more mad than anything else. I've seen first hand the psychological damage abuse does to an animal, having saved my own cat from his previous owners who hit him. It's disgusting and sickening that some people can be truly fucked up in the head to attack an innocent animal.

Damn this has made me angry, I need to go play something to relieve it. I knew I should not have clicked on this thread. Actually I'm going to go to bed and hug my own little kitten, she's only 5 months old.

It's times like these I wish I ruled the world.

Damn cults.

 

[J. Mazarin]

For all their "I'm awesome and I'm a mormon!" advertising and PR efforts the last few years, I don't think I'll ever classify them as anything more than a cult.

The death of the kitten itself doesn't really have an effect on me. The fact that it was just so fucking pointless does, though.

 

[Coldster]

Watching that video was truly one of the saddest experiences of my life. I haven't cried so much since watching the end of "The Green Mile" for the first time. It is (in my opinion) an unforgivable act to commit such an atrocity: to kill a creature that is meant to be loved, not murdered. I guess all I can do is hope that those cultists are punished and that it does not occur anymore.