Latest Xbox Dashboard Update Makes Pirates Sad

[thublihnk]

I'm just saying, mods ban people on here for mentioning that they pirate games.

I though they only ban people that post links to pirated software.

I've seen quite a few people put on posting suspension for just stating that they'll get the pirated version of a game for whatever reason it may be. Always rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[Kenjitsuka]

I don't have an altered 360, but the "advantages" of this patch are sorely negliable anyway:
"features such as a Netflix search and ESPN streaming content" are not available in my country and never will be either way.

And if you want any games with Kinect in them to work, well... you must be a very different person than me, let's just say it like that.

Isn't the update required to get on XBOX Live?

That might be, I don't know. But that would only be to cram it down people's throats. It doesn't actually enhance my play or experience. To me it's all useless additions I can't care about.

 

[Darkstar370]

I bet most of those complaining on the forums are likely pirates.

what's SUPER awesome about this update (other then how god-awful ugly it is) would be how I can barely play my LEGIT copy of Fable 3 without it crashing every 10 minutes.

thanks for pushing me just a little bit closer TO piracy there, Microsoft.

I personally would be willing to accept some DRM just so asshats like that get shafted, even if it is usually only a temporary shafting.

So far, mostly those who buy games got 'shafted'.
Meanwhile:

I'm pretty sure it's already been cracked. My buddy is on Live, and he's already playing Black Ops (not live) and Fable 3 (live). He also has the latest firmware.

This is why DRM is always nothing but a massive failure.

 

[cobrausn]

This is why DRM is always nothing but a massive failure.

Way to quote only part of the complete statement there champ. It's a nice way to make it look like somebody said one thing when they really said another. You'd make a great political news reporter.

 

[Darkstar370]

This is why DRM is always nothing but a massive failure.

Way to quote only part of the complete statement there champ. It's a nice way to make it look like somebody said one thing when they really said another. You'd make a great political news reporter.

You're the one who's accusing people without ANY proof of being pirates.

 

[duchaked]

aw dey sadd

yea yea whatev lol go scour the Internet for coupons

 

[TaboriHK]

All you need is a samsung or hitachi DVD-DL and firmware that are free to download anywhere on the net really, and that's what, like 30?? it's pretty cheap compared to the games costing 60? a piece

Again, gamefly is cheap, and you're not getting the full range of features. You don't get title updates, you don't get Live, you don't get any interactivity whatsoever. You're doing extra work for a quarter of what you paid for, and all to avoid the cost of paying for games. It just doesn't seem logical to me. You end up with games like Fallout, which is unplayable before the update, and COD and Reach, in which the multiplayer is a MAJOR part of the experience.

 

[HellsingerAngel]

Here's the thing.

I paid for XBOX Live. Now, if I disagree with the EULA for the latest dashboard update, I can choose not to install it but if I do that I cannot get on XBOX Live. Will my money be refunded or am I really forced to accept the EULA or lose my money?

I see we meet again, oh stranger to the EULA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license_agreement

Yes, it is legally binding, but only if presented before the installation. Yes, you can call up Microsoft within a particular time period (I think it's something like 14 days) and demand a refund because you didn't accept "such and such" from the EULA. You simply need to state what and they are obligated, by their own EULA, to refund you. End of story.

 

[cobrausn]

This is why DRM is always nothing but a massive failure.

Way to quote only part of the complete statement there champ. It's a nice way to make it look like somebody said one thing when they really said another. You'd make a great political news reporter.

You're the one who's accusing people without ANY proof of being pirates.

Ha. Accusing? I said I'd be willing to bet. That's not leveling an accusation, that's me telling you what I thought was the case, considering the same thing happened when people first started finding out about Arkham Asylum's DRM.

Now you're accusing me of saying things I didn't say, even though the proof is on this exact page. Way to prove my point.

Also, for the record, the only DRM I like is Steam, and only some of that. The rest is garbage. Feel free to keep misquoting me though.

 

[Darkstar370]

Ha. Accusing? I said I'd be willing to bet. That's not leveling an accusation, that's me telling you what I thought was the case, considering the same thing happened when people first started finding out about Arkham Asylum's DRM.

Now you're accusing me of saying things I didn't say, even though the proof is on this exact page. Way to prove my point.

Also, for the record, the only DRM I like is Steam, and only some of that. The rest is garbage. Feel free to keep misquoting me though.

Fine. So you're just 'willing to bet' that these people, that you've never met, may be pirates.
Just like Glenn Beck is only 'asking questions'.

And I agree with you on Steam.

 

[Delusibeta]

This is why DRM is always nothing but a massive failure.

Way to quote only part of the complete statement there champ. It's a nice way to make it look like somebody said one thing when they really said another. You'd make a great political news reporter.

You're the one who's accusing people without ANY proof of being pirates.

Ha. Accusing? I said I'd be willing to bet. That's not leveling an accusation, that's me telling you what I thought was the case, considering the same thing happened when people first started finding out about Arkham Asylum's DRM.

Now you're accusing me of saying things I didn't say, even though the proof is on this exact page. Way to prove my point.

Also, for the record, the only DRM I like is Steam, and only some of that. The rest is garbage. Feel free to keep misquoting me though.

Sounds like a challenge.

I'm simply stating my interpretation of the events. I didn't give you my opinion on the matter.

If you want that then here it is: I bet most of those complaining on the forums are likely pirates. There probably are a few people on that list who are not. It sucks and it shouldn't ever happen that way, and I would probably stop being a customer to that company if it ever did.

But as someone who spends his days working in this industry, I sympathize more with said industry than a bunch of little pricks who feel entitled to something me or someone just like me worked on for years... for free. I personally would be willing to accept some DRM just so asshats like that get shafted, even if it is usually only a temporary shafting.

But what I'm willing to accept isn't necessarily a good indication of what should happen. A customer expects, when they buy a game, to be able to play it. If your system prevents them from doing that, it's a bad system and needs reworking.

Is it just me, but are you accusing the vast majority of the people who complain about DRM that are being pirates in this post I just quoted?

Oh, and ironically you've pointed out a reason for people to be pissed off about DRM: people being blocked from their games. As anyone who tries most StarForce protected games will tell you, the vast majority of DRM does exactly that to certain groups of people.

 

[Errickfoxy]

Yarr, I be angry. (Not really, I don't pirate console games.)

Also: I can't imagine this won't have some form of collateral damage on paying customers. Just like every other anti-piracy measure.

Yeah, that's my issue with piracy prevention measures. I'm fine with trying to stop piracy, but not when it harms legitimate users in the process.

 

[cobrausn]

Wow, now a Glenn Beck comparison. You showed considerable restraint in not going right for a Hitler comparison. Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) states that if we keep this up much longer, it's inevitable.

...

Anyway, you can't fault me for making an educated guess. And you know I'm likely right about a lot of it. Not all pirates are 'on the ball' with the latest updates, and quite a few would likely go straight to the forums to see if they could get an answer. As much as I'd love to believe they're all pirates getting screwed by effective DRM and as much as you'd love to believe they're all a bunch of innocents getting screwed by evil DRM, neither of those is likely the case.

 

[cobrausn]

Oh, and ironically you've pointed out a reason for people to be pissed off about DRM: people being blocked from their games. As anyone who tries most StarForce protected games will tell you, the vast majority of DRM does exactly that to certain groups of people.

There was nothing 'ironic' about me pointing that out, it was quite intentional.

Is it just me, or do people only read the first couple lines of a post to determine intent? I pretty clearly stated DRM that locks out paying customers is bad, mkay?

 

[TomLikesGuitar]

This is why DRM is always nothing but a massive failure.

Way to quote only part of the complete statement there champ. It's a nice way to make it look like somebody said one thing when they really said another. You'd make a great political news reporter.

You're the one who's accusing people without ANY proof of being pirates.

Ha. Accusing? I said I'd be willing to bet. That's not leveling an accusation, that's me telling you what I thought was the case, considering the same thing happened when people first started finding out about Arkham Asylum's DRM.

Now you're accusing me of saying things I didn't say, even though the proof is on this exact page. Way to prove my point.

Also, for the record, the only DRM I like is Steam, and only some of that. The rest is garbage. Feel free to keep misquoting me though.

Sounds like a challenge.

I'm simply stating my interpretation of the events. I didn't give you my opinion on the matter.

If you want that then here it is: I bet most of those complaining on the forums are likely pirates. There probably are a few people on that list who are not. It sucks and it shouldn't ever happen that way, and I would probably stop being a customer to that company if it ever did.

But as someone who spends his days working in this industry, I sympathize more with said industry than a bunch of little pricks who feel entitled to something me or someone just like me worked on for years... for free. I personally would be willing to accept some DRM just so asshats like that get shafted, even if it is usually only a temporary shafting.

But what I'm willing to accept isn't necessarily a good indication of what should happen. A customer expects, when they buy a game, to be able to play it. If your system prevents them from doing that, it's a bad system and needs reworking.

Is it just me, but are you accusing the vast majority of the people who complain about DRM that are being pirates in this post I just quoted?

Oh, and ironically you've pointed out a reason for people to be pissed off about DRM: people being blocked from their games. As anyone who tries most StarForce protected games will tell you, the vast majority of DRM does exactly that to certain groups of people.

The vast majority of people who complain about DRM are pirates! Hell, a HUGE majority of gamers are pirates in some sense. Look at yourself and all of your gaming buddies... How many of them have NEVER PIRATED ANYTHING IN THEIR ENTIRE LIVES?

These companies have the right to fuck with our media however they want. Also, if you are EVER prevented from playing a game because of DRM and can prove it, PLEASE tell me... because you will be the absolute first person I've ever met.

 

[TomLikesGuitar]

Here's the thing.

I paid for XBOX Live. Now, if I disagree with the EULA for the latest dashboard update, I can choose not to install it but if I do that I cannot get on XBOX Live. Will my money be refunded or am I really forced to accept the EULA or lose my money?

I see we meet again, oh stranger to the EULA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license_agreement

Yes, it is legally binding, but only if presented before the installation. Yes, you can call up Microsoft within a particular time period (I think it's something like 14 days) and demand a refund because you didn't accept "such and such" from the EULA. You simply need to state what and they are obligated, by their own EULA, to refund you. End of story.

From your link:

The enforceability of an EULA depends on several factors, one of them being the court in which the case is heard. Some courts that have addressed the validity of the shrinkwrap license agreements have found some EULAs to be invalid, characterizing them as contracts of adhesion, unconscionable, and/or unacceptable pursuant to the U.C.C. ?see, for instance, Step-Saver Data Systems, Inc. v. Wyse Technology,[2] Vault Corp. v. Quaid Software Ltd..[3] Other courts have determined that the shrinkwrap license agreement is valid and enforceable: see ProCD, Inc. v. Zeidenberg,[4] Microsoft v. Harmony Computers,[5] Novell v. Network Trade Center,[6] and Ariz. Cartridge Remanufacturers Ass'n v. Lexmark Int'l, Inc.[7] may have some bearing as well. No court has ruled on the validity of EULAs generally; decisions are limited to particular provisions and terms.

So in general, EULA are not legally binding.

No, BUT, Microsoft still retains all rights to do whatever they want with their service... and as part of your agreement with them, you already paid for the service.

EULA's may not be legally binding, but they CAN still protect the company from legal action in the same way that any sort of contract would.

 

[WillItWork]

Screw Pirates, it makes me sad too. It looks like shit.

Seconded. My first thought is they're stealing it from Wii.