Latest Xbox Dashboard Update Makes Pirates Sad

[cobrausn]

Can you resell a Steam game? Do you have a physical copy to put on your shelf to ensure you that if Steam were to go away, your game wouldn't?

Yeah, like, uh, Steam!

Good DRM, ya know I never had a bit of trouble out of the DRM on my SNES, Genesis, N64, Gamecube, PS2, etc... Sometimes DRM doesn't bother the honest customer but modern DRM is affecting honest customers and I would suggest that people stop cheering it on. Really, do you think it will stop pirates? It's only hurting honest customers.

When you use digital distribution, you know that you're not getting a physical copy. If you don't like using digital distribution, don't use Steam. I actually prefer not having the disks, they just clutter up my desk and end up in the trash after I put an ISO copy on my backup drives.

And if Steam does go away, part of the legally binding agreement you made with Valve is that they disable all Steam validation checks and make everything you purchased available for download. So, no, that complaint isn't really valid either.

So fuck yeah Steam.

 

[ProtoChimp]

Ha, hope it sticks after more than a fucking month too. Pirating pricks, YOU MAKE CALUMON SAD! (I hope the Jack and Calumon user won't be pissed.)

 

[Babitz]

So in the end hackers are gonna hack this; maybe they already have.

And the only people with problems are going to be legit customers. Like always.

 

[thublihnk]

So in the end hackers are gonna hack this; maybe they already have.

And the only people with problems are going to be legit customers. Like always.

Hackers gonna hack, buyers gonna buy, I don't even want, none of the above I want to piss on youuuu Yes I do I'm gonna pee on you.

-Pee On You (Microsoft Remix) (Context in case that made no sense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6undjxb_QQ )

 

[erztez]

Can you resell a Steam game? Do you have a physical copy to put on your shelf to ensure you that if Steam were to go away, your game wouldn't?

Yeah, like, uh, Steam!

Good DRM, ya know I never had a bit of trouble out of the DRM on my SNES, Genesis, N64, Gamecube, PS2, etc... Sometimes DRM doesn't bother the honest customer but modern DRM is affecting honest customers and I would suggest that people stop cheering it on. Really, do you think it will stop pirates? It's only hurting honest customers.

When you use digital distribution, you know that you're not getting a physical copy. If you don't like using digital distribution, don't use Steam. I actually prefer not having the disks, they just clutter up my desk and end up in the trash after I put an ISO copy on my backup drives.

And if Steam does go away, part of the legally binding agreement you made with Valve is that they disable all Steam validation checks and make everything you purchased available for download. So, no, that complaint isn't really valid either.

So fuck yeah Steam.

Sorry, just had to jump in here...

Do you realize that making an ISO image is against about half the EULAs you routinely accept when installing? Or that the image is useless unless you apply some sort of a NoCD/DVD, which, in some places is actually illegal?

And yeah, Valve agreed to make everything available for download...for how long? Doesn't say? Gee, I'm amazed...

So fuck Steam, yeah.

 

[Knight Templar]

All this thing need to do is get a game past launch and it's a winner.

I can't decide if backing up your disk is ok or not. I mean doesn't the EULA say I'm getting a licence to play the game, not really owing it anyway? I doubt many people break DRM measures just to back up a disk anyway.

 

[zombays]

Time to go back to my PC *sniffle*

 

[thublihnk]

All this thing need to do is get a game past launch and it's a winner.

I can't decide if backing up your disk is ok or not. I mean doesn't the EULA say I'm getting a licence to play the game, not really owing it anyway? I doubt many people break DRM measures just to back up a disk anyway.

Yeah, game backups are part of the 'collateral damage' I've been warning people about: Legit customers just trying to make sure their 60 dollars worth isn't dependent on those fragile plastic disks' longevity

 

[cobrausn]

Sorry, just had to jump in here...

Do you realize that making an ISO image is against about half the EULAs you routinely accept when installing? Or that the image is useless unless you apply some sort of a NoCD/DVD, which, in some places is actually illegal?

We've already established that EULAs are 'technically' non-binding. And an ISO works fine when you mount it using a virtual drive or burn a copy to a physical CD or DVD. As long as I'm not pirating it, I have no problem with this. I get the feeling that so long as I don't pirate it (or make it available for pirating), neither does the company.

And yeah, Valve agreed to make everything available for download...for how long? Doesn't say? Gee, I'm amazed...

So fuck Steam, yeah.

Gee, they only have quite possibly the cleanest track record of any gaming company when it comes to dealing with their customers. When they accidentally banned people (MW2 players) they gave them all free copies of Left 4 Dead 2, which was still selling for above 20 bucks. So yeah, fuck em'. Assholes.

 

[Xan Krieger]

Firstly if you can type Microsoft as M$ and Sony as $ony, then what do you do to nintendo? Can't really fit the $ in there.

Secondly, this makes me glad I don't have xbox live. Someone please tell me that update doesn't come on discs (I don't pirate, the reason I don't use live is a matter of price and I don't appreciate 12 year olds screaming my ear off about how I'm a gay n***** hacker because I kill them once).

 

[Reklore]

Ha, if anything this industry needs MORE DRM.

I want DRM so strong that not even the biggest, fattest, no life loser that spends his lonely night's trying to hack it can't. I want evenly single game used to be a payed for.

And if you?re a pirate and you want it for free, then to bad, your entitle to nothing. And people lose jobs because of you.

And for the people who say their legit copy is not working because of DRM? Get a refund, call tech support or sue the company. Because we all know that people who say that DO HAVE A LEGIT COPY.

 

[The Wooster]

For some reason a lot of people on the Fable 3 forum are having problems using their copies even when they're legit and not pirated.

Honestly, good for them. The game is fucking awful.

 

[thublihnk]

Ha, if anything this industry needs MORE DRM.

I want DRM so strong that not even the biggest, fattest, no life loser that spends his lonely night's trying to hack it can't. I want evenly single game used to be a payed for.

And if you?re a pirate and you want it for free, then to bad, your entitle to nothing. And people lose jobs because of you.

And for the people who say their legit copy is not working because of DRM? Get a refund, call tech support or sue the company. Because we all know that people who say that DO HAVE A LEGIT COPY.

You're kidding, right? Tell me you're kidding. This is seriously the most infantile and poorly thought stance on copyright law and digital rights management I've ever read.

I can only hope that you either wise up or grow up to never run anything ever.

 

[cobrausn]

Legally binding agreement with Valve that they will remove the DRM if they go under? Are you sure that they are LEGALLY bound to do that? Prove it.

When you buy it, you own the software. If you choose to remove it from your HD without making a physical backup yourself, you are at the mercy of their service regarding your ability to download it again. Service, which I might add, which has so far proven to be extremely reliable.

You do not retain ownership of the Steam software, so they can revoke that (as it is a 'license' and not a 'purchase'). That's about the gist of it as parsed from http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/.

You may not like to have discs, cases, manuals, maps, etc... but some of us do. I just ordered an SNES game last night that I can't get anywhere else. I have to order the cart because it isn't available anywhere for digital distribution. Good thing the SNES had PHYSICAL games and not just digital ones and it's a good thing my SNES doesn't need to check in with a server to play the game.

Right, and if you want these things you don't use Steam. Considering very few games release exclusively through Steam, it's essentially an optional form of DRM that has a large set of features associated with it. Why could cheering for that be 'insane'?

Take a look around, you are taking for granted that 20 year old games are still available. In 20 years some of your DD games won't be.

Alright, the only real way most existing 20 year old games are available is through DD. Hell, my much touted 'physical' copies of X-Com have long been lost, but I was able to get a hold of them again through DD. What about physical copies? How many physical copies of X-Com do you think are still floating around? The CD / DVD optical storage medium has an inherent lifetime associated with it where the ability of the medium to hold data degrades. It's not like that it's carved into stone. Without a backup digital copy, it will be gone in 20 years.

Besides, I back up all my binaries. So yeah, they will be available whenever I want them, because I'm intelligent about how I choose to handle it.