If you include all consoles around the world then yes that number could be accurate.Yopaz said:But there's no way of telling anything about how many actually downloaded it from those numbers because we can't assume those numbers to say anything about the number of people who viewed it. We might as well find the number of pirated copies based on how many Xbox 360s have been sold. It is vaguely related, but equally useless in determining the number of people who downloaded it. You have no statistics showing number of downloads and unless you do mentioning numbers for it is bullshit.Ultratwinkie said:Yes, and I compensated for that with percents.Yopaz said:You assume those views are different people, but there are also a lot of replies to those threads. A reply to a post means at least 2 views and if someone is browsing through multiple pages, refreshing the site to see if someone has answered a question or something like that a good deal of those views can be dismissed. Your reasoning is flawed because you count 1 view as 1 person and then make an arbitrary number to determine the rate of how many pirates it based on that. 1 person might make up hundreds of views on each of those threads. Someone with a crappy connection might have refreshed the page a good deal of times.Ultratwinkie said:86+ million views.JoJo said:Those are views, not downloads. It's quite likely many people would have viewed more than one thread, or viewed the same thread several times in the course of working out which was best to download, and lurkers would be added to the tally too. I don't doubt numbers pirated were stupidly huge but there isn't really a reason to assume 18+ million from what you've posted.Ultratwinkie said:The first picture has:
18+ million downloads. Only counting the first few 1,000,000+ numbers. That is more than GTA V sold on day fucking 1. Rockstar lost, on console piracy alone, an additional 1.3 billion dollars. Not counting the used game sales that will inevitably come as well.
It would only take 18% of viewers to match what GTA V sold on day 1.
Argument is still valid. Piracy is huge on consoles, and the idea that consoles are safe is patently false. It would take over 82% of people viewing the torrent to not pirate it.
No way 82% would just drop that. Even 10% download rates equal half a billion dollars.
However your point is valid. Piracy isn't a PC exclusive and your image does provide enough of an indication of that even though the numbers of pirated copies is probably a lot lower than what they indicate.
If that 86 million was only 10% actually downloading, that still puts 1/3rd of the player base as pirates. We cut the 86 million by 90%.
If it was 20%, half of the players are pirates. We cut the 86 million by 80%.
Anything at or higher than 18% is bad. That's why I wasted the time to explain that and cut it down.
Right now I make up about 7 or 8 views depending on if I count before posting this or after posting this. I know you make up quite a bit yourself. I bet you also make up for a number of views on other threads. If there was a discussion or someone trying to help someone on that board 1 person could easily make up 20 views in one threads, maybe 3 or 4 each in the others making the statistics less than 1% if he actually downloaded it. That one person may also have downloaded several versions because he ran into some problems making it work meaning that even the number of downloads isn't necessarily number of people pirating it.
You make assumptions and claim it to be facts, but I suspect your numbers are greatly exaggerated compared to the reality. You have proof that piracy on consoles exist. Don't try to prove that 30% of all console users are pirates, that's pushing your luck.
If you haven't heard of it before but chipping is a big thing in at least South-East Asia, I've personally been to several gaming boutiques in Malaysia with my uncle where the entire stock is pirated. Its so bad that a legitimate copy of Starcraft 2 was added to the care-package alongside chocolate and honey that was sent over a few years back.
I don't know how bad it is elsewhere although.