Learning Japanese 001 Part 1

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myogaman

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Hey everyone!

I want to become an English teacher in Japan. I've already visited for a month and know all the basics but, besides getting a degree, I need to obviously learn Japanese. I figured the best way to do this is to learn it with other people!

So, you lucky people you, if you ever wanted to learn some Japanese, now is the time!

WRITING HABITS TO PREVENT CONFUSION!
All romaji Japanese will be italicized
All romaji will be spelled right and will use Japanese pronounciation. desu
All unitalicized romaji will be spelled for pronounciation. dess
The current week/lesson will be bolded, after I learn to link, I'll link to the post start.

LANGUAGE PLANNER
Week 1 = basics of reading and writing, learn Hiragana
- HOMEWORK = Page 1
- STUDY TIPS 1 = Page 2
- HIRAGANA QUIZ 1 = Page 2
- HIRAGANA QUIZ 2 = Page 3
- VOCAB 1 = Page 3
- HIRAGANA QUIZ 3 = Page 3
- HIRAGANA QUIZ 4 = Page 3
- COUNTING = Page 3
- HIRAGANA QUIZ 5 = Page 4
- HIRAGANA QUIZ 6 = Page 4

Week 2 = use hiragana, start learning katakana (same way as hiragana), learn basic sentence
- HIRAGANA QUIZ 7 = Page 4
- BASIC SENTENCES = Page 4
- HIRAGANA QUIZ 8 = Page 4
- SENTENCE QUIZ 1 = Page 4
- VOCAB 2 = Page 4
- HIRAGANA QUIZ 9
- HIRAGANA QUIZ 10
- KATAKANA QUIZ 1
- KATAKANA QUIZ 2
- KATAKANA QUIZ 3


Week 3 = Verbs

these timelines are subject to change.

Part 1: Alphabet Basics
The Japanese have a 46 character alphabet which is written in two ways. Hiragana is written for anything native to Japan and Katakana is used for anything foreign. For example, father could be otousan (in hiragana) or papa (in katakana). Or meat is called niku (hiragana) but computers are called konpyuuta.

In Japanese, there are not many ways to spell things, so however it is spoken is most likely how it is spelled. You can see that from the computer example above.

We won't get into memorizing characters quite yet, first we need to know romaji which is when Japanese is written into English. My examples above were written in romaji because the forums support Japanese characters.

http://blog.asiahotels.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/japanese-alphabet.gif

this image is the easiest way to show how Japanese is broken up. Japanese only has 5 vowel. A I U E O. It then puts a consonant before the vowel. The consonants Japanese has are K S T N H M Y R W G Z D B P. This is in order. So meat has 4 characters. In Japanese, NiKu only has 2 characters.

Getting deeper into this, some characters can have " put after them to make a different sound. Ka Ki Ku Ke Ko would turn into Ga Gi Gu Ge Go, S into Z, T into D, and H into B. If you put a tiny degree sign (the circle) after H it turns into P.

This sounds really confusing...like teaching binary...but both binary and Japanese are easy to understand once it clicks.

LINKS

http://www.jetprogramme.org/

http://japanese.about.com/
 

Warped Pixel

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Hmmm anoble effort to encourage the education of the members of this site. Should be interesting to see how this turns out.
 

azurawolf

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I have always wanted to learn Japanese.
I do know a couple words. I know yes, thank you, goodbye and idiot.
That won't get me far. I do want to move to Japan someday and learn the language. I just love different cultures.

edit: btw... good luck in learning it!
 

NeutralDrow

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えっと, こちらのほうがちょっと... ぼくは, それをおしえらのがほんとにすいせんできないんだよ.
 

daz_O_O

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I tried learning Japanese when I was 13, but thee class was early on a Sunday and I couldn't be bothered, I remember about the alphabet though, the ku, ki, ka, ga, go, gu sounds and stuff. Huge part of me wishes I'd have stuck with it just as something to brag about now =P.

I think I'll keep an eye on this thread - I have a chance to learn any language I want as a minor at uni, pique my interest more and Japanese may beat out German and Spanish.
 

Kenjitsuka

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I've tried a few times, and have a lot of study books.
Never found enough time to see it through tho.

(I do know a ton of Japanese swears incidentally)
 

myogaman

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NeutralDrow said:
えっと, こちらのほうがちょっと... ぼくは, それをおしえらのがほんとにすいせんできないんだよ.
etto, gochira no houga chotto... boku wa, sore o oshiera no gahontoni suisan deki nain da yo.

wow... you are like my nemesis on these forums. That being said, good job! All I got was a few bits and then I used google translate which said "Well, here ... I was a little bit better, but I'm not me the referee said it really is." Which I can roughly guess means, "Well... I'm a little bit better but I'm not the forum leader, so ...something something..."

That's cool that you can post in Japanese here, I'm using the IME thingy that's built into Vista and all it shows is ASCII.

If you wanna help out and correct any mistakes I make, go for it :D
 

funksobeefy

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I know alot of the programs for teaching English do not require any Japanese. They just want you to be a native English speaker.

But good luck anyways! I know I want to learn french so I can do the peace corps in Africa
 

Omletrice

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Isn't computer also written as 電腦?

"えっと、此方の法がちょっと・・・僕は、それを教えらのが本当に學生出来無いんだよ。"-I may have read it wrong >_>
What does that mean, exactly? I have a vague idea of it, just not sure. I can read and understand most averagely used kanji(Well, since its somewhat similar to mandarin, harr.) and hiragana but not really understand it.
 

Crabturtleking

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I've tried at least once to learn Japanese, never did stick though. I'll be following this thread and any of its follow-ups
 

Chrissyluky

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Teiraa said:
NeutralDrow said:
えっと, こちらのほうがちょっと... ぼくは, それをおしえらのがほんとにすいせんできないんだよ.
show off
なしŬ
 

Halfbreed13

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I am done now.


But in all seriousness, I don't get it?
 

myogaman

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Okay so I deciding tell everyone the basics isn't enough to actually learn. In all reality, it takes time to learn a language (lol inorite). So there will be homework but seeing how this is an ungraded forum posted on a video game magazine site, there's nothing forcing you to do it besides your own need to learn.

I'm using http://www.amazon.com/Genki-Integrated-Course-Elementary-Japanese/dp/4789009637 this book for my studies. It's cheaper than most books (I got mine last year for ~$20USD, though I see the price went up) and is dually written in Japanese so you can re-read things to test yourself. You can also get the workbook (which I torrented) and practice using that.

Homework
So with me only memorizing 5 hiragana a day, I got them all done in a 8 days. Take the first 5 hiragana (A I U E O, which are pronounced Ah, Ee, Uu, Eh, and Oh) would then write every symbol 30 times while repeating its sound. Then I'd write them down on some index cards (symbol on one side, letter on the other) and would watch TV while glancing at the cards. Every time I got a symbol wrong, I'd write it another 30 times.

Once you have these basic characters memorized, start memorizing the " sounds and remember H turns into P with ° (the degree symbol).

When you have those memorized, its time for the next rule. If you take a character that ends with u. Like Ku, Gu, Mu, Nu, etc. If you take a tiny version of the Ya/u/o after it, the sound changes. So kitties say meow in English. In Japan they go Nyaa. That would be written as NuYa with Ya being tiny. (how do I change font size in the forum?).

You can also double up a consonant sound by adding a tiny Tsu before the character. Chotto(ちょっと) is a perfect example of both.

Also you might have noticed some oddities in the alphabet. Like Ta Chi Tsu Te To. When you add " (I learned to call them DenDens which is the equivalent of a child asking for wawa instead of water. if someone knows what they are really called, that'd be cool.) to Chi, it turns into Ji. Amazingly enough, so does Shi. So there is no Zhi.

If there are any questions or any need for clarification, feel free to post. I'm not the best teacher out there.
 

myogaman

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Omletrice said:
Isn't computer also written as 電腦?

"えっと、此方の法がちょっと・・・僕は、それを教えらのが本当に學生出来無いんだよ。"-I may have read it wrong >_>
What does that mean, exactly? I have a vague idea of it, just not sure. I can read and understand most averagely used kanji(Well, since its somewhat similar to mandarin, harr.) and hiragana but not really understand it.
Actually 電腦 is Chinese for computer only. This is because the Chinese have no alphabet so if you don't know a character, you gotta look up radicals and all this hard stuff. He also was polite enough to omit all Kanji. When I said I could read, I meant literally read, not understand. When I went to Japan, I'd read stuff to my 5 year old nephew and he'd translate XD

While Japan did steal characters from China to simplify their writing, they do not translate perfectly. My friend is learning Mandarin so we compare that stuff a lot.
 

DJude

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Teiraa said:
NeutralDrow said:
えっと, こちらのほうがちょっと... ぼくは, それをおしえらのがほんとにすいせんできないんだよ.
show off
meh, i suspect a translator of some sort
sorega watashi dearumonowokono nin ga choudo rikai surebaanatanotamenoyoisorekara itsutte iruga

heh heh

on topic: korehasorenoyounisorenoyouna nannin kano hitobito notameni hijouni yuuyou matadearukotogadeki, anatanotameniyoi onrainressun kara kangae nuka reteirumatahayokuizurenishitemo kopi^ sareteyoudearu

im pretty sure i said that right, ah well, bollocks to anyone that says otherwise :D