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Sexual Harassment Panda said:
frizzlebyte said:
Get ready, because after the Eurogamer KSI banning "controversy", I'm about to get all rant-y up in here.

/tiradeincoming

You know what? I'm tired of gaming's immature, insecure nitwit idiots who sit and whine about how much better their system is compared to everyone else's, or how much better one shooter is to another. The immaturity that is displayed in much of the technology/gaming fandom is just mind-blowing to me. Having a PC is better than having a console, or vice versa? Really?

Prove it.

No, seriously. Prove it. Prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that your PS3 is better than my Xbox or my PC. Or, try to prove that your PC is better than my PS3 and Wii. Do it. I'd love to see the strained, anal-retentive arguments that'd spume forth from your hole if you tried.

And don't give me that crap about how you don't HAVE to prove it, because it's established fact. No, it isn't. Get up and defend your opinions like an adult.

/bigrantover

I say whatever system you use, game on, brother. Don't let any of these losers rag on your choice of gaming device. It's about damn time the games industry grew into its big-boy pants.
Let's debate on the internet!... About unimportant things!! Like adults!!!...

I'm amused.

Thick skin, everybody...look into it. There's nothing of value you here, if you can't handle your platform being criticised...the problem is you. Whilst it might be a little silly to be putting "PC/PS3/360 is da best!" out there at every given oppurtunity, it's sillier to let it get to you. That's not adult...
And so we are just supposed to sit back and let these people be the loudest voice in gaming? No, I don't think so.

I just see how far games and their most-visible fans are from being publicly presentable and worthy of respect, that it irritates me. There are things that games can do as a story-telling medium that would elevate them to truly artistic masterpieces. But the prevailing culture within the games industry is based around this immature my-stuff-is-better-than your-stuff mentality, among others (like the male power-fantasy and the "its gotta be fun at all cost" crutch) and it feeds into the games themselves, holding them back.

Until enough people get mad at these things, AND DOES SOMETHING ABOUT THEM, rather than getting pissy over someone choosing a different game console than them, games will never live up to their full potential as a positive cultural force.
 
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Bhaalspawn said:
SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
NO!!! NEVER!!!



LOOK AT THESE GRAPHICS! LOOK AT THEM!!!
You know what the sad part is?

One Minute: GAMES FOCUS TOO MUCH ON GRAPHICS!
Next Minute: THIS GAME NEEDS 4024x4024 TEXTURE MODS ON EVERYTHING! EVEN THE PILLOWS!

One Minute: I HATE DRM!
Next Minute: THIS GAME ISN'T ON STEAM! WTF?!?!?!

One Minute: GAMES NEED TO BE LONGER THAN 6 HOURS!
Next Minute: LET'S BOYCOTT THE ONLY MAJOR COMPANY THAT MAKES REALLY LONG GAMES ANYMORE BECAUSE OF ENDINGS AND SHIT!

Why are PC gamers so fucking inconsistent...
i'd say we're incsistent because any large group of people can not be sho horned into one voice, one opinion.

On topic, dont let the haters get you down, if you play games you enjoy on a machine that'll play them, then you're a gamer. that said, i do agre the tec is a little dated although you cant see much difference as a lot of AAAgames are ports from consoles
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
NO!!! NEVER!!!



LOOK AT THESE GRAPHICS! LOOK AT THEM!!!
I was going to ask but I saw that the image is of a mod. Either way that isn't that impressive by PC standards, it looks more like a new-ish console game.
 

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I frequent these forums enough, I'm on a games design course and its all I bloody do when I'm not reading about video games on the internet. I don't feel like a slave at all. Microsoft charges me £40 a year when I earn £125 a week. I buy around 2 games a month, this week I'm buying Dishonoured.

I don't feel entitled to anything other than games and I get them. As soon as all the stuff you go on about effects me then I'll raise my fists in anger or when I get a job in the industry then I'll take action because then it will be my job.

Freedom? Trapped? Seriously? I can buy whatever games I want and play them whenever I want. You can rant about faceless corporations and such but unless it becomes and inconvinience to me then I won't care until I actually have a chance to do something rather than sign useless petitions or boycott developers because I didn't like a game.
Well, okay, you really want me to show you your cage? Okay, how's this: I pay nothing to play online and if I wanted to tomorrow I could grab a better looking, smoother running copy of Dishonoured for free, and I could play it with whatever interface I want from controller to mouse, hell I've even seen people make VR visors out of the new Sony 3D headset, I could use that and have my head motions tracked by a camera to simulate the right stick motion. THAT is freedom!

And no you can't buy whatever games you want, can you play The Old Republic? No? How about Guild Wars 2? No? How about something as simple as Fallout 2? Not even that? Well now, I really can play ANY game I want as I have TWO DECADES OF SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT waiting to be explored, where as you can't even play original Xbox games unless Microsoft decides that game isn't one they need to make an HD remake of.

Let's take piracy off the table real quick, though when you speak of freedom the ability to pirate things is a good sticking point. While I love piracy as a concept I haven't played a game I haven't bought all the way through, if I like something I always buy it, but I always wait for a steam sale. You see because you own their system you have to pay more for each game because the publisher has to pay a licensing fee to Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo to even print the game using their DRM. This means that I could buy Dishonored tomorrow for $50 bucks on steam, or I could get it on 360 for $60.

While $10 dollars doesn't seem like that much when we look at bigger deals on even mildly older games it becomes insane. Earlier this year I purchased the whole Grand Theft Auto Collection off of Steam for $12. Twelve. Fucking. Dollars. That collection goes from the original top down, through two, three, vice city, San Andreas, and 4 complete with expansions.

Right now if I walked into a GameStop and wanted to buy Grand Theft Auto 4 Complete for 360, even after it's been out for so long, I'd STILL have to pay $30 dollars, more than double the price for a fraction of the content. I bet if I wait sometime this year I'll be able to grab Dishonored for 20 bucks, and I'm also willing to bet that it won't be that cheap on 360 for a couple years.

Accessories are the same, though less for Sony as they were nice and implemented Bluetooth so you can buy off brand.

Thing is, I wouldn't mind if you weren't defending the 360. If you don't see how the 360 is a blight on the games industry then you clearly aren't as deep in the scene as you think you are. You may spend a lot of time in the scene, but spending a lot of time at a hospital doesn't make a doctor

If you don't critically analyze the nature of your surroundings and even looking outside your niche, well then you're just another cow with it's head down being herded to slaughter.


Huh... my captcha was "mast beef"... that's sort of creepy given my final line.
 

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PC gamers tend to mod and cheat their way to victory so they don't get a say in what i use to outshine them! :)

Seriously though, i left the super race because i couldn't find many games where the leaderboards weren't straight cheated highscores...that and plenty of games just don't fucking work without bodges and fixes. The costs are substantial and the rewards are limited...nah, still not interested in going back.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Sanat said:
Jeez, I wonder WHY they bash you so very hard about having a seriously inferior, overpriced, inconvenient, technologically obsolete and locked down system.

And just so that you're aware, if you're not already:
Consoles are the cause for all the bad things in the industry. Not for the industry mind you, but in the industry. What we game-playing folk want.

TL;DR: Fuck consoles.
Gotta love it when someone comes along and proves the OP's point.


It's so very delicious.

OT: As with every following, there are extremists, so to say. Just ignore them.
I think he is being sarcastic. I hope he is being sarcastic.
 

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The machines are equal in their own rights.

Consoles these days are gaming-dedicated machines with a little computer-related stuff wrapped around 'em.

Computers are information-processing-dedicated machines in which the capacity for games is an optional extra.

All gaming platform wars, all console wars, all computer wars, and just plain ALL WARS ARE COMPLETELY POINTLESS.

This has been a public service. Good day.
 
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frizzlebyte said:
Sexual Harassment Panda said:
frizzlebyte said:
Get ready, because after the Eurogamer KSI banning "controversy", I'm about to get all rant-y up in here.

/tiradeincoming

You know what? I'm tired of gaming's immature, insecure nitwit idiots who sit and whine about how much better their system is compared to everyone else's, or how much better one shooter is to another. The immaturity that is displayed in much of the technology/gaming fandom is just mind-blowing to me. Having a PC is better than having a console, or vice versa? Really?

Prove it.

No, seriously. Prove it. Prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that your PS3 is better than my Xbox or my PC. Or, try to prove that your PC is better than my PS3 and Wii. Do it. I'd love to see the strained, anal-retentive arguments that'd spume forth from your hole if you tried.

And don't give me that crap about how you don't HAVE to prove it, because it's established fact. No, it isn't. Get up and defend your opinions like an adult.

/bigrantover

I say whatever system you use, game on, brother. Don't let any of these losers rag on your choice of gaming device. It's about damn time the games industry grew into its big-boy pants.
Let's debate on the internet!... About unimportant things!! Like adults!!!...

I'm amused.

Thick skin, everybody...look into it. There's nothing of value you here, if you can't handle your platform being criticised...the problem is you. Whilst it might be a little silly to be putting "PC/PS3/360 is da best!" out there at every given oppurtunity, it's sillier to let it get to you. That's not adult...
And so we are just supposed to sit back and let these people be the loudest voice in gaming? No, I don't think so.

I just see how far games and their most-visible fans are from being publicly presentable and worthy of respect, that it irritates me. There are things that games can do as a story-telling medium that would elevate them to truly artistic masterpieces. But the prevailing culture within the games industry is based around this immature my-stuff-is-better-than your-stuff mentality, among others (like the male power-fantasy and the "its gotta be fun at all cost" crutch) and it feeds into the games themselves, holding them back.

Until enough people get mad at these things, AND DOES SOMETHING ABOUT THEM, rather than getting pissy over someone choosing a different game console than them, games will never live up to their full potential as a positive cultural force.
First you've got to get mad. I want you to go to your windows, open them up and yell "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!!"...

I don't think much of what you've said is true at all.

It's just sectarian silliness. It's not violent...and it's easily ignored. It's also pretty unimportant to the evolution of the medium. The developers need to put out these transcendant experiences, then we could vote for them with our moneyz. They don't release games like this because it's still a limited medium.

They're still just creating simple worlds with simple rules and systems because that is what is doable. Traversing space was nice and simple, so platformers boomed. Pointing at a person and pushing a button to make them dead is nice and simple too. Space traversal is what games do well at this point.

The step beyond this is a MASSIVE one to take. Whilst games can pack an emotional punch, they really have to do it in a linear fashion. So it's more like you're watching a contrived movie-sequence than it is that you're affecting the world in a meaningful way. I'm fine with this, but I can't help but feeling that it flies in the face of the people who think videogames are on the cusp of becoming something much bigger than what they are now...I don't see it. I see more of the same for many years to come.
 

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DJjaffacake said:
Signa said:
DJjaffacake said:
Signa said:
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Fixed that for you. Seriously, the vast majority of people who own a console are...

Wait for it........

People who own a console.

And that's it. The only common theme is that we all own a console, not that we're racist, or homophobic, or stupid, or anything else.
Yeah, go ahead and keep thinking that. Take offense to the supportive words I sent toward the OP for dealing with negative comments that he shouldn't have to, I don't care. None of that is going to change the stereotype that Xbox users are a bunch of drunk, racist frat-boys looking to take down "dem terrorists". Just because you and the OP are exceptions doesn't break the rule.

It's a fact that consoles cater to the lowest common denominator, so trying to pretend otherwise is just disingenuous. I don't doubt you have some counter examples lined up, but unless you think you can name off roughly 1/3rd of the games market under the heading of that list, you're just going to be lying to yourself. "LCD" games can still be fun, but when that is all there is to play in the whole market, gamers who want more than that start to get edgy. Everyone else is happy just picking up their next copy of Call of Duty year after year like it's the Madden franchise. I didn't pull out my SNES this weekend because I needed a hefty dose of nostalgia, gameplay design may have been more brutal than most people have patience for, but it also was far more rewarding and enjoyable to play.
Phrase it how you like, the attitude demonstrated in your posts is exactly the, "Hurr durr console tards PC gaming master race," way of thinking that the OP was calling out.

I bolded stereotype in your post, because that's exactly what you're doing, stereotyping a group of people to fit your preconceived ideas. Unless you have some evidence that the majority of console gamers fit your description, you're being a textbook example of a PC elitist.
Well, I don't deny that, but since I took some more time to catch up with the conversations in this thread, I don't see how anyone can think any differently. There's all sorts of posts in here talking about from every standpoint why PCs are just better. If knowing that fact makes me an elitist, then I can not take it as an insult.

Also, what this guy said:
Consoles just cater to peoples` stupidity and laziness and can be used as a metaphor for everything wrong in the world.
Being aware that PCs have many advantages does not make you a PC elitist. Stereotyping people who use a console either instead of or in addition to a PC as, "a bunch of drunk, racist frat boys," however, does.
Maybe if you had paid attention to what I said the first time you'd have avoided this argument. That's all my opinion really was to begin with. I just had to throw out some flavorful generalizations because you and that other dude seemed to be enjoying them so much.

So why do you take offense to that comment anyway? Do loud, obnoxious frat boys generally play PC games? I think my comments bothered you because there is an ounce of truth in them, and you don't want to be associated with those gamers. I can tell you right now that you have in no way given me any impression that you are a loud, obnoxious frat boy, but are a dude that just loves games just as much as I do. So why are we even at odds here?
 

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Jokes aside, if anyone calls you stupid or a bad person, or not a "true gamer" because you game on a console, they're just being stupid themselves.

Certainly PCs have technical improvements and advantages over consoles. But this doesn't mean that PC gamers have free reign to browbeat console gamers because of it.

This coming from a PC gamer.
Hahahah wow. Yea I get that too from PC gamers but consoles have their pros and cons too.
 

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WHY?!? did I miss this thread damn... Oh well all I can say is OP made some good points mainly that consoles aren't worth it and is an abomination on the industry, only thanks to kick starter are we finally able to get good games again(Project eternity). Or atleast this was how I understood his post.

Furthermore read my post a again but replace console with EA that way you get twice the value from one post.
 

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SadisticFire said:
Bhaalspawn said:
You know what the sad part is?

One Minute: GAMES FOCUS TOO MUCH ON GRAPHICS!
Next Minute: THIS GAME NEEDS 4024x4024 TEXTURE MODS ON EVERYTHING! EVEN THE PILLOWS!

One Minute: I HATE DRM!
Next Minute: THIS GAME ISN'T ON STEAM! WTF?!?!?!

One Minute: GAMES NEED TO BE LONGER THAN 6 HOURS!
Next Minute: LET'S BOYCOTT THE ONLY MAJOR COMPANY THAT MAKES REALLY LONG GAMES ANYMORE BECAUSE OF ENDINGS AND SHIT!

Why are PC gamers so fucking inconsistent...
Don't know what you're on about. I havn't seen that behavior very often.
On track though, it's due to just some elitist PC gamers which makes everyone annoyed. Both consoles and PC's have their pros and cons.
Wow. Nice strawman argument dude, you sure showed me.
 

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VeneratedWulfen93 said:
Every forum, site and such I visit advocates PC gaming and makes it seem like consoles are the reason for everything bad in the industry.
I have an issue of PC Gamer sitting here at home that I still remember reading through quite vividly when I bought it at a news stand in 2004. That issue had a "PC State of the Union" article, which detailed the common criticisms console gamers and the industry at large leveled against PC gamers, and how (and why) computer-based gaming was still thriving.

If PC players act like elitists, it's usually because most of the industry (for a time) turned their back on them. The times of barely-working, crippled PC ports became the norm instead of the exception, and developers were more apt to cut their losses on PC development and focus exclusively on console development. I've seen various interviews over the years where developers have made excuses that it isn't financially prudent to develop for consoles, that the technology isn't there...the usual excuses. Yet, we're finally getting back into a PC renaissance...the success of games like Alan Wake and the Elder Scrolls series, along with the rise of crowdfunding and the onrush of indie games, is making the PC the place to be. Not to mention the inherent advantages PC players have always had - mod support, unofficial patches and fixes, the ability to remove DRM via No-CD patches, in-game system console access, the ability to patch in cut content/on-disc DLC, mouselook and precise control, the ability to upgrade your system at any time, emulation, etc.

That doesn't excuse the behaviour certain PC gamers have displayed towards you, though.
 

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1) PC has amazingly better graphics on the same game then on consoles like for instance Crysis and Battlefield 3 amazing on consoles 10 times better on PC. 2) you can get that 360/PS3 even Wii controller to work with a PC and even forest gump could do it. 3) a PC relatively is cheaper then a console where you pay say £200 for a console brand new thatll last maybe a few years then youll be FORCED to buy the next console youll pay about £600-£1000 for a PC thatll last years playing from ultra down to low over the years. 4) almost every game on console is on PC and every older console game can be emulated on a PC from PS1 era back easily PS2 era maybe a bit dificuilt but not impossible. 5) you can do a lot more then gaming with a PC. That is why consoles will forever be money grabbing machines and inferior
 

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crazyrabbits said:
VeneratedWulfen93 said:
Every forum, site and such I visit advocates PC gaming and makes it seem like consoles are the reason for everything bad in the industry.
I have an issue of PC Gamer sitting here at home that I still remember reading through quite vividly when I bought it at a news stand in 2004. That issue had a "PC State of the Union" article, which detailed the common criticisms console gamers and the industry at large leveled against PC gamers, and how (and why) computer-based gaming was still thriving.

If PC players act like elitists, it's usually because most of the industry (for a time) turned their back on them. The times of barely-working, crippled PC ports became the norm instead of the exception, and developers were more apt to cut their losses on PC development and focus exclusively on console development. I've seen various interviews over the years where developers have made excuses that it isn't financially prudent to develop for consoles, that the technology isn't there...the usual excuses. Yet, we're finally getting back into a PC renaissance...the success of games like Alan Wake and the Elder Scrolls series, along with the rise of crowdfunding and the onrush of indie games, is making the PC the place to be. Not to mention the inherent advantages PC players have always had - mod support, unofficial patches and fixes, the ability to remove DRM via No-CD patches, in-game system console access, the ability to patch in cut content/on-disc DLC, mouselook and precise control, the ability to upgrade your system at any time, emulation, etc.

That doesn't excuse the behaviour certain PC gamers have displayed towards you, though.
i cant name very many console only AAA good titles halo springs to mind but thats about it and with steam its making PC gaming cripple console gaming i have a laptop for 2 years thtll play everything tht comes out now and i can use a 360 controller with it if i want and plug a hdmi cable in and put it to my tv no problem why would anyone need a console when they can get what i have for £300 boggles my mind i have all 3 consoles over the years and i only really play them for exclusives like halo and even then its starting to not be worth it
 

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GunsmithKitten said:
SnowBurst said:
why would anyone need a console
Because I can't afford the start up cost of a gaming PC.

But hey, I'll offer you the same challenge I give to any PC "master race" type;

Show me a PC build from the ground up, WITHOUT USING "MIDNIGHT MADNESS"-style SALES OR AUCTIONS THAT PROBABLY WON'T EVEN BE AROUND WHEN I TRY IT, that can run Sleeping Dogs on max settings with the HD patch at 50+fps for 200-300$ American, and I'll burn every console I own on Youtube. You up for that?
well my laptop right now is what $300 i think now n itll run sleeping dogs on high probably but if a laptop can do tht a desktop of the same price wud do it easily u can say consoles are cheaper all u wnat but thts false if u buy a dekstop for $1000 (im british so i dno american) itll last for about 2 or 3 console gens. u invest in a pc for longevity a console is a "hurr play now" thing a pc is a "ill pay a crap load now n enjoy it for years"